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On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote:
I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim.
more to come later.
You've caught up on reading?? What does that have to do with anything. All of muso's reasoning is in his last post.
From this post I'm not sure if you think he's town or mafia.
Also this makes no sense:
Why would mafia do a 1 for 1 trade with a mason, especially with the possibility of a doctor?
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Also we should just kill muso... I have no idea what he's talking about or trying to do especially from a town perspective...
##vote muso
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On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
Okay.
I take full responsibility for this situation.
Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault.
However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following:
1. this is a suicide play as scum
2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams,
Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you.
I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla.
The point of the gambit should be obvious now.
The problem with all this after the fact explanation is that how do we know you weren't going to stick with the mason claim if their were no other masons?
I am not sure this is in fact a suicidal scum play. If there is no counter claim then you are sitting pretty as confirmed town. Unfortunately for you there was a counter claim, and now you are saying it was a gambit to fake claim mason all along and that it should be obvious what the gambit is, but you haven't actually explained it have you?
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On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
Okay.
I take full responsibility for this situation.
Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault.
1) However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following:
1. this is a suicide play as scum
2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams,
Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you.
I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla.
2)The point of the gambit should be obvious now.
1) So your claim is that you were hoping the scum would assume you're telling the truth, and hoping the real masons, if they even existed, would know you're not a newbie scum. Even though you made it clear that you are a new player... What was your ultimate goal?
2) It's blatantly obvious why scum would claim mason (though risky in the event of another mason team actually existing). It's much less obvious why a townie would do so. I want to see what the "point of the gambit" was, but the way it stands, all you did is force one of our masons to claim.
I... don't know what to think about this. It feels like a really noobish mistake that either town or scum could make. I see more motivation for scum, but for some reason I think he's more likely to be town...
##Unvote Muso
I don't really know who I want to lynch after him, though. I'll give more thought to it when I get home later.
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On November 02 2012 10:23 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote:
I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim.
more to come later. You've caught up on reading?? What does that have to do with anything. All of muso's reasoning is in his last post. From this post I'm not sure if you think he's town or mafia. Also this makes no sense: Why would mafia do a 1 for 1 trade with a mason, especially with the possibility of a doctor?
Are you trying to start a fight with me?
I said I caught up so i don't get "did you even read?"s in response to my post.
You wanted me to only read Muso's last post and skip everything else?
Spread confusion = mafia trait
Mafia might want to do a 1 for 1 trade because as of now, we see that Muso is terrible, and maybe he had been terrible in the mafia QT. Of course this is Hypothetical and you'd have to ask the mafia themselves to get the right answer.
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Why are you so bent on what mafia is doing Release? that only leads to WIFOM and shows a night mindset. Are you mafia? Why are you thinking so much about night?
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On November 02 2012 11:28 drazak wrote:
Why are you so bent on what mafia is doing Release? that only leads to WIFOM and shows a night mindset. Are you mafia? Why are you thinking so much about night?
He asked me.
You want to start a fight with me as well?
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Let's fight irl. Come to maine.
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Hell, i even said it was hypothetical, and implicitly called what i said WIFOM afterwards.
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##unvote
##vote: drazak
I have my reasons. We still have a majority on Muso.
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I... what? You're getting awfully defensive man, sounds like you're nervous
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Infact, you're saying that you're /upset/ that people are asking you questions and trying to make reads? That's anti-scum hunting
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nervous? Probably. Try doing some real analysis and maybe you'll get some results. Very few people are able to get things done by doing what you're doing right now.
This game has been pretty inactive tbh.
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On November 02 2012 11:31 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 11:28 drazak wrote:
Why are you so bent on what mafia is doing Release? that only leads to WIFOM and shows a night mindset. Are you mafia? Why are you thinking so much about night? He asked me. You want to start a fight with me as well?
Calm down and stop OMGUSING everyone that questions you
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Release, how do you feel about Muso's explanation?
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On November 02 2012 11:38 Release wrote:
##unvote
##vote: drazak
I have my reasons. We still have a majority on Muso.
If you have reasons then share them. I am not adverse to a drazak lynch, But you'll have to do better than that to convince anyone and not have your vote be useless.
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On November 02 2012 11:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 11:31 Release wrote:On November 02 2012 11:28 drazak wrote:
Why are you so bent on what mafia is doing Release? that only leads to WIFOM and shows a night mindset. Are you mafia? Why are you thinking so much about night? He asked me. You want to start a fight with me as well? Calm down and stop OMGUSING everyone that questions you
Kush did ask me a question to which i would have no suitable response.
Because i didn't want to leave it as a reason for Kush to incriminate me, i answered.
On November 02 2012 11:55 mkfuba07 wrote:
Release, how do you feel about Muso's explanation?
As i have already said (not meant negatively), I feel that it is inadequate and scummy because it pushes into heavy WIFOM territory. And now that i think about it, he seems to contradict himself:
Makes the "gambit"
Excuses himself for being a noob and liar (aka little/no idea what should happen)
Calls the noob move a gambit (aka idea what should (or he wanted) to happen).
And ofc, spread confusion ---> conclusion = scum
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On November 01 2012 08:22 drazak wrote:
While I think millers claiming early is good, I don't think they need to claim early D1, it gives mafia someone NOT to lynch as the miller doesn't have a useful role, we could have as many as 2 millers, not sure how many mafia there are (don't think it said in the op) but if it's 2 that means they have 9 possible lynch candidates, if there's 4 that's 7 lynch candidates.
Just realized that explanation sucks, but basically what I'm saying is that it gives mafia a TON of information to claim millers so early.
Agrees with the miller claim but adds his own twist (with which he doesn't follow up).
Fluffs it with role setup information, and concludes his role setup information.
Very early in the game so botd, but still not too useful.
next post was a response to confused Kush post so not really influential
The next post is a gem (just follow along in his filter. Don't feel like quoting everything)
He concludes that Muso is useless to town but lacks the same conviction in calling Muso a scum.
Yet, he seems to want to lynch muso regardless of alignment, which draws attention away from scum-hunting and onto a muso bandwagon.
Restates his lynch muso regardless of alignment, but adds in a clause that qualifies his wish to lynch muso. This part is far better than than the unqualified wish to lynch, but i still think scumhunting should be done over getting rid of useless townie; after all, the truth is that up to 4 mafia are still alive and he is tentative to call muso mafia.
Dont care about next post(miller vs mason irl)
Next comes 1-2 liner about setup.
Next one is pointing out that Muso is a liar, something we have all pretty much assumed to be true at this point (judging by the general support for accrofales over Muso). Therefore, this is fluffy.
Next, he complains about my WIFOM, which was in response to a question that asked for WIFOM.
This is poor attack against me because I did as Kush asked; Draz is blaming me for doing something in response to such a question. In any case, the question should have been attacked, not I. This shows a tunneling agenda.
Next is w/e
Next is paradoxical in that he wants me to answer a question asking for WIFOM to reply in a concrete way.
He's setting me up to try to show that i am pulling bullshit out my ass, but i answered with WIFOM and i am getting flakked for that. Either way, he's setting himself up to tunnel (at the moment me), and is not considering things rationally.
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The first half of that post seems a bit summarish but what i was trying to point out is that he wasn't really trying to scumhunt, but to tunnel and to get rid of muso.
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