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On November 11 2012 13:24 mkfuba07 wrote:
Wait, you think I'm scum?
No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy.
I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him.
There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later.
##Vote: Risk
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On November 11 2012 14:05 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:42 DarthPunk wrote:On November 11 2012 13:24 mkfuba07 wrote:
Wait, you think I'm scum? No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy. I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him. There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later. ##Vote: Risk If you are town, then like myself you are faced with knowing that this game contains 4 confirmed blues and and 2 claimed ones. Do you have any hesitations about the unflipped blue claims, because I sure do.
What we know of this setup is possible based on the mafia scum wiki. I have never experienced this many blues in a game before And I have had doubts all game long about it. I have mentioned many times that there are too many blues in this game. But that is not actual true. half the blues are just one shot. we only have 3 blue roles with multiple shots.
I have been sceptical of every claim in this game. beginning with the mason fake claims. I actually thought that acro had fakeclaimed due to no breadcrumb and his previous mason claim proving he had no adversity to fake claiming. But it turns out this is not the case.
I think both yourself and Mkfuba could have easily fakeclaimed as scum also. But I don't particularly want to lynch every blue claim in the game. Just because the set-up is not what I am used to, is clearly possible, and it is easy to fakeclaim one shot roles.
I also think speculating on the mafia roleblocker is useless at this point. If a scum roleblocker even exists. There are many explanations for missing roleblocks if there is a roleblocker. And I am not even convinced that their is. I think in a 0T C9++ setup it is very plausible to add an extra goon to balance things. People dispute this.
But I feel an extra goon would be balanced. We have 2 kp a night but have only had 3 kills 3 nights in. Seems balanced to me.
All in all I am not very sure of the set-up at all. So I decided a while ago that I would base my reads on behaviour rather than trying to break the game via speculation on the set-up. I feel that doing that could end up with us lynching consecutive blues.
Regardless of the setup risk was roleblocked and KP was stopped. He was roleblocked because Acro, a confirmed blue was convinced he was scum. He built an extensive and convincing case against risk.
Risk is incredibly scummy and is likely to posess KP. That is why I want to lynch him today.
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On November 11 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 11:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd like to know as well
@risk your best bet is to make a case on someone that doesn't include setup speculation. or if it does include setup speculation it better be a damning case. DarthPunk is damned. Jesus christ I can't for the love of me understand how you can be this reckless with a game that's unlooseable if you just use your head. You can't believe there are 2 Jailors 1 Roleblocker, 1 1-shot Jailor, 1 1-shot Roleblocker, 1 1-shot cop and scum with no roleblocker, you just can't!
It is possible. Look at the wiki page. The no roleblocker theory is not my own. I adopted it from something acro mentioned in passing. That the 0T variation looked too heavily town favoured and that to balance it there may have been an additional goon instead of a power role. Honestly I have no idea what the set up is. I know that you were 'convinced' that prom was scum and then when the speculation you used fell through you were onto the next candidate. Me. Even though it is equally likely that fuba or thrawn are fakeclaiming. Or that none of us are.
you have no factual basis for your suspicions of me. Nor did you have of prom. It seems like you have tunnelled both of us from day one with no merit. It is not new you calling me scum. Even before I claimed it was prom or I.
You haven;t cared about any other lynch but now that you can see endgame in your sights you are here pushing your mislynch.
You are damned risk. Your play early this cycle rid me of any doubt that may have been lingering post Acro's case, roleblock and subsequent missing KP.
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On November 12 2012 00:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Thrawn claimed cop in a multi-scum scenario making him a target for the SK, not likely he did that as mafia, I'll bet my life on it. It is not as likely as you fakeclaiming. You're just pulling up every possible scenario that could shield you at the same time that you clearly don't believe them yourself.
And you think a freaking MEDIC ROLE is not a target for the serial killer?!?!? And thrawn claimed ONE-SHOT cop. How is that more of a target than a freaking jailer.
You are just pulling whatever you can out of your arse to try and lynch the freaking Jailer. Maybe because you don;t want any more people fucking with your night kills? I am the only one who can role block you tonight and once again stop your KP. Of course you are going to try and lynch me.
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On November 12 2012 00:00 risk.nuke wrote:You can't even speak for yourself but you try to pull "Acrofales said" or "Promethelax said" at every turn. Like how you said that how I came to the realisation that you had to be the final scum was just dirtflinging untill something stuck. Get real, all scumhunting is you investigate possibillitys untill you find something. That I was stressed and worried over my mislynch which could have disastrous concequences for town (clicky) and as such posted alot without first thinking it through is not the same as dirtflinging. It might had been fair to accuse me of that if any of you had actually been here to shut down my ideas before I moved on myself. The rest of you, If you want to belive we have 6 blues and DP is telling the truth, then you can lynch me becaue you don't desserve to win.
I said we MIGHT have 6 blues. I don't know if one of fuba or thrawn is fake claiming. But they both look a hell of a lot less scummier than you right now. I know I am not fake claiming obviously and I can't work out the set up so I am voting for the scummiest player in the game. Which is you. You don't even care who you lynch.
I am voting for my strongest scum read. And all I see is that person trying to manipulate the set-up to get out of the lynch and acting like the most pro town player in the world without any substance to back it up. Not only that but he is trying to get me lynched with a case that could apply equally to every blue in the game that hasn't flipped.
Let me summarise what your play today has consisted of.
Trying to lynch the most pro town player in the game which you were certain was scum
On November 10 2012 21:59 risk.nuke wrote:
I was roleblocked. I'm on the train home. We need to kill prom. Will elaborate when i get home tonight!
On November 11 2012 01:12 risk.nuke wrote:
Addidtional Day 1 Actions.
zealos - jailed - acrofales. (probably)
mafia - roleblocked - promethalex (probably)
Prom can only be SK if he faked the roleblockclaim. Day1. While it's not impossible I find it unlikely.
Now I really feel like shit for my play this game but I'm not any lesser then to know when I've been wrong.
Anyway - explanation: I believed Mattchews words that any scumteam that didn't include one of the veterans would be fairly weak and while most hosts doesn't completely randomise roles those who do usually still have a look over it and see if they deem the teams balanced or they random it again. Thus when I woke up this morning I wanted to lynch promethelax for likely being mafia due to previous suspicions + balance reason and if he wasn't mafia I thought there were a good chance he was SK. All in all a pretty safe bet to get rid of kp.
You were shut down hard and fast at this point. Then you flip onto me with no new information and a nonsensical 'case'
You then say that you have read filters and that I have to be scum
On November 11 2012 02:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Judging from filters release look like mafia. However release can't be mafia for the same reasoning as promethelax.
mkfuba can't be mafia because that would leave unacounted for roleblocks.
Leaving DarthPunk as the final scum. He's buss is going to make it impossible for me to get him lynched instead of me, you would be pants on heads if you did. However lynch him when I'm dead.
kush/release is SK.
However you hadn't even read my claim that many people had asked for. I don't even understand this line of reasoning.
Mkfuba is in the same situation as I am. And yet he is confirmed town and I am scum.
It seems as if you are selective in your reasoning in order to paint me as scum regardless of the amount of back flips or how confusing you come across.
On November 11 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
I still don't get it. Why couldn't I take that sentence and insert dp instead?
"Because darthpunk have been roleblocking at the same time as the scum roleblocker did making him the scum roleblocker an impossible scenario."
Tough question. You gave me something to think about. Okey lets go to step 0. Can they both be telling the truth. That would mean this setup looked like 5-4-3-1 which is impossible, there isn't a setup with this many blues.
You then start proclaiming that there is not a setup with this amount of blues which is patently false.
C9++
DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker
C = 1-Shot Cop
This setup is a valid c9++ setup. We are using a modified version of this. That is all we know. We have no idea how it was modified. They may be a framers, Their may be an extra goon. There may be a scum roleblocker. I don't know. What I do know is that the claims we have are in line with C9++ and therefore I do not want to go around lynching every blue claim just for claiming blue.
There are other ways in which to find scum. Scum hunting for example. Something which you have done little of. All you have done is tunnelled prom for shit reasons for which I called you out on day one. And then burst into activity when you are set to be lynched.
There is a massive case on you which you have not adequately addressed. All you have done is speculated on the set-up in order to stave off your lynch.
I welcome a case against me that does not include set up speculation. But I feel that I deserve more than your rants that I must be fake claiming when that is clearly untrue. And a simple google search would have told you as much.
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On November 12 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
If you were really a jailor you would had jailed Acrofales, not promethelax.
No I wouldn't have. And I didn't. I jailed prom again because he has been my strongest town read since night one. I thought he may have been targeted night 2 as that was one of the potential options for missing KP and thought scum may try to shoot him again if they had tried the previous night when he was jailed. I am certain I mentioned this in my claim post that you still haven't read it seems.
It seems like a very reasonable jail to me. Keeping the towniest player alive.
Anyway. I am done with you. These arguments are not arguments at all and are incredibly desperate.
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On November 12 2012 00:43 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:C9++DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker C = 1-Shot Cop This setup is a valid c9++ setup. We are using a modified version of this. That is all we know. We have no idea how it was modified. They may be a framers, Their may be an extra goon. There may be a scum roleblocker. I don't know. What I do know is that the claims we have are in line with C9++ and therefore I do not want to go around lynching every blue claim just for claiming blue. There are other ways in which to find scum. Scum hunting for example. Something which you have done little of. All you have done is tunnelled prom for shit reasons for which I called you out on day one. And then burst into activity when you are set to be lynched. There is a massive case on you which you have not adequately addressed. All you have done is speculated on the set-up in order to stave off your lynch. I welcome a case against me that does not include set up speculation. But I feel that I deserve more than your rants that I must be fake claiming when that is clearly untrue. And a simple google search would have told you as much. Nice, but wait that's a lie because that setup doesn't have an SK.
What part of modified do you not understand.
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You realise that your case could apply to thrawn and MKfuba along with myself don't you? But for some reason you desperately want to lynch the only blue role still relevant. You are so transparent.
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Anyway. It is almost 3am and is therefore far too late. There is no way in hell my vote is moving off you at this point. So I am off to bed.
I hope to see you flip red in the morning. Good night sir!
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On November 12 2012 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:
Your jailings are fuckign awefull. Why is that, it's because you haven't protected anyone that could actually be killed.
This is what happend. You tried to pull an advanced fakeclaim and failed miserable. But thanks to that I can't convince the towne of your guilt before I die, nice job being a kingmaker for the SK.
Here is the story, you decided when you got roleblocker that you would use it to claim Jailor. However claiming jailor could get you killed by the SK which is why you've panicked everytime claiming have been discussed. The other thing that could ruin your claim is if someone you roleblocked died. Which is why you haven't protected people with a risk of dying. Prom was not a likely target night 1 hyaving just replaced in. The second night you once again protect a target with no risk of dying, however you claim you did it with the intention to stop KP. Which is the worst possible way to use a jailer role. Third night you didn't protect Acrofales with bullshitreasons you didn' think he would be the one to be killed.
Your nightactions are so obvious, oh and they just happen to be in line with the suspected mafia roleblocks.
I'll respond to this briefly before bed.
Prom was my strongest and only town read. That is the correct person to Jail on night one. And if you think prom was not at risk of dying last night you are so fucking full of shit nothing can save you from drowning in it.
I do not believe that stopping KP was the worst possible way of using my role that night. I did not think drazak would be used to deliver the Kill as he was so scummy. I thought that if I blocked my second highest scum read at that point then there was a greater chance of actually stopping KP and KP was stopped that night. So I feel like it worked out.
'Bullshit reasons' is fucking subjective. As is all the shit you are spouting. I think Prom had a fucking good chance of being targeted last night by either SK OR SCUM. And he was my strongest town read BY FAR.
I understand that you may have not made the same desicions in my shoes. That is reasonable. What is NOT reasonable. Is because you didn't make the decisions I would have made you are lying.
What in the flying fuck? Suspected mafia roleblocks. They were only that because I happened to be the last one to claim. I didn't want to claim because I wanted to not get blue sniped in the night like I doubtless will be tonight as the only relevant blue remaining.
The reason I did claim was because my not claiming when everyone else had were causing mis-assumptions about things such as that and were putting people on the wrong track.
I didn;t want
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On November 12 2012 00:56 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh modified. Yes. wbg added a SK and removed the mafia roleblocker for fun. Yeah right.
Or there is a framer or an extra goon or there actually IS a roleblocker and someone IS fakeclaiming OR they roleblocked one of the blues who died on the first night. Or they roleblocked acro and then some roleblocks stacked. I have considered these scenarios far longer than you as I have had the knowledge of my role for longer than you have. There are countless scenarios which are plausible. There is no way to know which is correct. Which leads me to believe that lynching into all the blue claims is a bad idea.
We should scum hunt and lynch the scummy looking players. And that is why I am voting for you. If you are so certain I am scum I welcome you to actually read my filter and make a case that isn't based on setup speculation or 'I wouldn't have done that in his position OMG SCUM'
Also quit martyring yourself. Quit calling everyone bad when you have been inactive and anti town yourself.
K I am done for real.
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On November 12 2012 01:08 risk.nuke wrote:
So what do you believe, do you belive I am the mafia, the SK? Does the mafia have a roleblocker, What do you believe about anything regarding the setup, is fuba and thrawn fakeclaiming or not. All of these questions, yes no, maybe.
You haven't the tiniest opinion. Yes I am the apathetic player.
I have no idea about the setup. So I am choosing to ignore it mostly. You were Roleblocked, KP was blocked. A confirmed blue was positive at your guilt and roleblocked you thinking it would stop KP which it did.
There is a substantive and unanswered case against you which has gone unanswered. You are grasping at set-up speculation to wriggle out of your own lynch.
These are the facts. This is more than enough for which to lynch you. And thus My vote stays on you.
I am disconnecting my internet now so I quit getting drawn into this any longer than I have already.
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Well. After arguing with him last night it was pretty obvious he was going to flip something. I was convinced it would be scum but I guess I was wrong. Good job guys! at this point a serial killer is pretty much the same as the final scum so we did well.
Thanks prom for stopping any last minute shenanigans. I'm going to dive through some filters and post before the day post my last will and testament. We got this though. So I am not worried now. We got more time to play with with this lynch and reduced the KP by 1/2.
<3
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On November 12 2012 09:36 Release wrote:
If I'm scum, ask DP to JK me.
If there is a kill, I am not scum.
If there is no kill, we have another day to hash things out.
(Yes, the scum might withhold a KP.)
This is so fucking retarded. I don't know what to say. You are starting to sound like risk all of a sudden. I will jail how I please thank you very much.
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On November 12 2012 05:13 thrawn2112 wrote:I also think dp is town, just from reading his filter without considering a fake claim. He may not like this reasoning, but my impression of town dp is a stubborn angry guy who likes his cases and likes yelling at people who disagree. And lol, that's what I've seen this game. What I saw from scum dp in LC was a toned down version of dp who was not that stubborn. + Show Spoiler +
I think you got it pretty right. I don't take offence. I can also see that you would think I am angry after being so hard on you in the obs qt's of your newbies. ^_^
I am pretty damn aggressive in mafia. But I am a nice guy IRL I promise.
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On November 12 2012 05:14 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah if you read his filter with an Australian accent in your mind it seems way more town. I think this is the key to reading dp.
LOL. I read all of you guys in an Australian accent. After I read this I tried doing it with an american accent. But I couldn't get the accent right. It ended up sounding really cheesy in my head. 
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On November 12 2012 09:30 mkfuba07 wrote:I changed my mind. For some reason I didn't consider risk being sk. Since he was sk, it means kush isn't sk. And since kush isn't sk, I can completely throw out my case on you two. Was admittedly bad play to begin with. Kush is guaranteed town, since him being scum relies on thrawn lying, which would mean 2 scum. DP has his claim, and has played incredibly townish all game. If he's scum, he deserves to win XD Prome can't be scum because there was a kill last night and he was jailed. I can't be scum because I know my role and I am not scum  Thrawn could theoretically be scum, but my theory was based majorly around his interactions with sk kush. Again, admittedly bad play that I always said I'd never do (unflipped association theories), but almost everything seemed to fit so well, and I got carried away with it. I don't think I could point out a post in his filter that I find to be overtly scummy. Aaaaand Release. Release is the only one left. Boom! Theoretical if Release isn't scum5-1lynch Release ( 4-1) If release isn't scum, scum kills someone ( 3-1) After that we lynch thrawn because I'm town. In thrawn's case, we lynch me because he says he's town. Not sure what everyone else might be thinking. Either way, lynching Release feels like the best bet. Does anyone think that thrawn is scummier than Release? Let me know if I missed anything. I think it's pretty solid.
Yeah. I have a problem with this post. You acknowledge that both you and thrawn may be fakeclaiming, But use my claim to somehow exonerate me?!?!? Fair enough if you have a town read on me but don't use my claim to view me as town use my filter and your brain.
Seems weird you would just leave me out of the three of us who have claimed.
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On November 12 2012 10:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp, it all goes back to my first game where i rolled vig and didn't realize the importance of breadrumbing
You know I didn't want to lynch you at the end though right? I ended up voting for Your Harry over you I believe. But yeah. It was my second game also and I was connection crazy and your vig claim threw me off super hard.. Ever since that game I have been super wary of lynching blues. So I guess I learnt something.
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On November 12 2012 10:53 mkfuba07 wrote:
It's not just your claim, it's how townie you've been all game. I said that...
I find your claim more reliable than either of ours. And I find both your's and mine more reliable than thrawn's. While I'm clearly biased by my own knowledge, I feel that anyone claiming to have jailed prome was unlikely to be lying about it. If the sk decided to kill prome, then any scum rb claiming to have jailed him would be outed instantly as a liar. It's a risk (heh) that as scum I don't think I would take, and I don't think you would either. There's also the fact that it would make more sense to breadcrumb roleblocker rather than jailer. You don't gain anything by lying about which fake role you have, so why not just give yourself the real role?
Thrawn's crumb was good, and that I've never denied. The only reason I feel like I'm still questioning it is because I think it's an easy claim for scum to make. They crumb 1-shot cop, call someone town, then get a free ride to endgame. At this point I don't think he's scummy, but if it comes down to him vs me, I know who it is.
The thing about trying to paint my claim as fake is how fucking retarded it would be. I would have bussed both my scum buddies immediately. Then claimed a role that would have damned me if my jail was killed by a sk. It would have been incredibly risky and stupid.
Scum would have claimed VT or maybe a one shot role. This is sort of speculation and I have been trying to avoid it. But honestly I would have to be an idiot to claim JK as scum.
I really don't think someone needs to be fake claiming. Release/kush were my SK reads. Kush is town 100% now that Risk flipped. so. I am taking a close look at release whom I thought was scum day one and has done little to make himself townie IMO.
Release is far scummier than anyone else in the game. That is why he should be looked at.
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On November 12 2012 15:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
acro roleblocked risk, so acro's death came from mafia kp. prom was roleblocked, so he's not mafia. there is no way in all of fuck that I'm going to vote for prom. I really think darthpunk is town but I'll reevaluate that read between now and the deadline. kush can only be mafia if there are 2 godfathers and a goon in a setup with a million blue roleblockers. that leaves me with...
release
fuba
hmm...
darthpunk, why did you jail prom instead of acro n3?
He was my strongest town read. And when he was jailed night 2 KP was stopped. I rb'd Kush that night. After the draz flip he was 99% town. The 3 options that I had for the no kill night 2 were
Kush had KP and was roleblocked
Release had KP or was roleblocked
Prom was targeted by NK but was jailed.
So after kush is pretty much town I was certain that Prom was targeted for a kill that night and that release was the SK.
I did not think that scum would expect another jailer at that point so I thought I would protect the person whom was likely targeted the previous night. As I thought they would want to finish the job.
That is the basic reasoning behind it.
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