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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 25 2012 23:46 GMT
#16
/in I shall not be mod killed
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 26 2012 22:42 GMT
#28
/out /obs
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 27 2012 06:02 GMT
#31
So it turns out that I can play this after all. /in

Sorry for the confusion. Needed to sort out my schedule for the next few weeks first.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#138
Sup Guys. Just caught up with the thread. So I have a town read on Kush, Unless he has put a great deal of effort into shifting his meta he is playing his town meta this game. So unless something drastic changes I guess that this is the first time I will not be gunning for you buddy. ^_^

If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness.

From my first read through Release is looking suspicious. Firstly he is tunnelling townie kush, although he may be unaware of kush's meta he has a scum read over something which is at worst a null tell.
Secondly his posting feels off somehow this post in particular is scummy as shit.

On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.

So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.

Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip.


So after acknowledging that this post is a distraction from the suspicions on himself he attempts to create a tangent discussion on policy. And he proposes a lynch all liars policy that he talks about for a good deal and then decides he is against?

It was fluffy and served to distract the thread from pursuing him. Claiming that you are not doing that does not cause it to be untrue, rather it speaks as if he was guilty of doing EXACTLY THAT.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:20 GMT
#140
Oh and before I forget. The scummiest thing about release in my mind is that he jumped all over Kush for a mistake. This is generally what scum do instead of scum hunting. But the problem is that he did not look at the motivation behind kush's mistake and could not paint it as scummy in any way. It was just that. A mistake. Something kush is known for and is not a particularly scummy mistake either.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:32 GMT
#142
On November 01 2012 12:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
darthpunk:

I don't see how you can have a town read on kush at this early stage, especially based on meta alone. If you want me to buy that you're gonna have to give a more in-depth explanation as to how whatever he's done in these first few pages fits whatever notion you have of his town meta


I have played and obs'd 7 games with kush I have also read a fair bit of analysis on his meta.

Briefly there are subtle differences in kush's attitude particularly as scum that make it easy to read him. The post that gave me a town read was this post in which he was called scummy for the first time.

On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.

I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up.
I think they should probably both claim actually.

@release
Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming?

Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?


That is not the response I would expect from a scum kush. Quite the opposite. Kush's meta is quite easy to interpret. Although he may have drastically altered it which is why I allowed room for that caveat in my post.

Do you not have a town read on kush? I thought you, if anyone, would share my view. In fact, it is strange that you do not.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:44 GMT
#144
On November 01 2012 12:42 Muso wrote:
Oh I just read that you guys want Masons to claim.

Sorry, I took so long to post - I'm not used to reading this many posts.

Yeah I am a Mason.


I don't even...
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:54 GMT
#148
On November 01 2012 12:44 Muso wrote:
I'm still at the start of page 6 sorry. Just read that you wanted claims so I thought I'd give you my info in while I read the rest so we can get going.


Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:56 GMT
#149
On November 01 2012 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 12:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Do you not have a town read on kush? I thought you, if anyone, would share my view. In fact, it is strange that you do not.


Like I said, it's wayyyyy to early to give a town read.... especially based on meta alone.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 12:42 Muso wrote:Yeah I am a Mason.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 12:45 Promethelax wrote:


Wrong. I had a scum read on kush based on meta far earlier and it was correct. Hapa gives early town reads. OFC I can change my mind. But if anyone is town this game it is kush from what I have read and so he is my strongest town read.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:57 GMT
#150
On November 01 2012 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 12:44 Muso wrote:
I'm still at the start of page 6 sorry. Just read that you wanted claims so I thought I'd give you my info in while I read the rest so we can get going.


Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb?

Never mind. That was your first post. 0_o
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 03:58 GMT
#154
On November 01 2012 12:58 Mattchew wrote:
lol what in the hell... and i thought i had weird/bad claims

You do.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 04:00 GMT
#155
Well. Let's just wait till he finishes reading the thread and see shall we?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 04:07 GMT
#158
On November 01 2012 13:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Well. Let's just wait till he finishes reading the thread and see shall we?


see what? lol.. i guess all we can really do is wait for his hypothetical mason partner to help him decide whether he wasnts to claim or not

should we ask him to claim his 2nd partner?

I honestly just don't know lol, quite baffled by the claim tbh... but my instincts are saying that he's telling the truth. seems like it'd be a really fucking bad move for scum to make

To see WTF is going on hopefully.

I am unsure if his second partner should claim if he even exists. I doubt he could verify his claim without his second partner however. And even if he did claim without breadcrumbs it could just be a mass fake claim.

This is pretty bad IMO.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 04:09 GMT
#160
On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted.

Muso...


WTF are you talking about. You realise that if he was scum trying to mislynch you with a fake mason claim that would be almost as retarded as claiming unaware nosy neighbour right?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 04:17 GMT
#163
On November 01 2012 13:14 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted.

Muso...


WTF are you talking about. You realise that if he was scum trying to mislynch you with a fake mason claim that would be almost as retarded as claiming unaware nosy neighbour right?

well honestly i have no idea at all what he is trying to do. Just threw out the only thing pertinent to such a claim right now.


The only pertinent thing is how you are being set up by his retarded mason claim?!?!? Such inherent guilt. My god.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 04:57 GMT
#170
On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote:
Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.

I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.

Sorry if I'm bad :S

We have newbie games you know.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 05:03 GMT
#171
On November 01 2012 13:28 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Sup Guys. Just caught up with the thread. So I have a town read on Kush, Unless he has put a great deal of effort into shifting his meta he is playing his town meta this game. So unless something drastic changes I guess that this is the first time I will not be gunning for you buddy. ^_^

If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness.

From my first read through Release is looking suspicious. Firstly he is tunnelling townie kush, although he may be unaware of kush's meta he has a scum read over something which is at worst a null tell.
Secondly his posting feels off somehow this post in particular is scummy as shit.


On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.

So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.

Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip.


So after acknowledging that this post is a distraction from the suspicions on himself he attempts to create a tangent discussion on policy. And he proposes a lynch all liars policy that he talks about for a good deal and then decides he is against?

It was fluffy and served to distract the thread from pursuing him. Claiming that you are not doing that does not cause it to be untrue, rather it speaks as if he was guilty of doing EXACTLY THAT.

I did not acknowledge that this post was a distraction. I merely stated that it was not relevant to my being hammered for seemingly scummy actions. However, according to your logic, this (and tacitly implied, everything else not relevant to my being hammered) is a distraction, and therefore the only things that won't be distractions are things that ONLY tunnel me.

Is that your train of thought? or are you putting words in my mouth?


No not everything that is not tunnelling you is a distraction stop being fallacious. Here
On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.


Here you ask us to not use that post to claim you are shifting attention from yourself (read: Distraction) You only ask this because it is blatantly obvious that that is what you are attempting to achieve.
Hey. I am looking scummy and need to back away from my 'scum read' at a million miles an hour. Let's talk about policy. Not only that. Let's talk about policy no one has mentioned, be extremely fluffy whilst doing so, and then come to the conclusion that I disagree with the policy I brought up.

The only rational reason for that post was to distract the thread from yourself. Don't be retarded and say that any post which is not tunnelling you is a distraction. Now who is the one putting words into others mouths?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 01 2012 22:58 GMT
#228
On November 02 2012 07:50 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm pretty sure DP is the only one left who hasn't commented on muso's claim. So it's either DP is muso's mason partner or muso is the worst scum ever.
Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO)

So I will consider anyone talking about
muso,
or encryption,
or the real scum claim,
or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious.

While it would be nice to be masoned with a fellow australian. Unfortunately I am not masoned with Muso, or a mason at all. Muso's partner should claim if he exists. If not then I am going to vote for muso for fake claiming mason. It's 10am ADST so musso should be here any moment. If he is not he is probably avoiding the thread.

Anyway. I am hosting a party today, and have much to do so I may not have as much time as I would like to post. I will make it up later though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 02 2012 01:43 GMT
#243
On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
Okay.

I take full responsibility for this situation.

Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault.

However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following:
1. this is a suicide play as scum
2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams,

Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you.

I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla.

The point of the gambit should be obvious now.


The problem with all this after the fact explanation is that how do we know you weren't going to stick with the mason claim if their were no other masons?

I am not sure this is in fact a suicidal scum play. If there is no counter claim then you are sitting pretty as confirmed town. Unfortunately for you there was a counter claim, and now you are saying it was a gambit to fake claim mason all along and that it should be obvious what the gambit is, but you haven't actually explained it have you?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 02 2012 02:54 GMT
#255
On November 02 2012 11:31 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 11:28 drazak wrote:
Why are you so bent on what mafia is doing Release? that only leads to WIFOM and shows a night mindset. Are you mafia? Why are you thinking so much about night?

He asked me.

You want to start a fight with me as well?

Calm down and stop OMGUSING everyone that questions you
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