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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 29 2012 23:57 GMT
#1356
GUYS djo isn't going to switch to inig, we do NOT HAVE ENOUGH, cheese will be lynched
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 29 2012 23:58 GMT
#1360
dandel and alsn change back to djo, nackht is also not going to vote inig, the inig vote is worthless
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 29 2012 23:58 GMT
#1364
guys roco came back, cheese is going down, put votes on djo
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 00:16 GMT
#1380
inig, roco, explain your last second votes
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 13:44 GMT
#1394
On October 30 2012 20:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Okay, the motives I can see:

A) They, like all game, were just sheeping onto a candidate without thinking about it = without caring who actually gets lynched. Scum motivation here. This option would mean Cheese is town.

B) It was an elaborate ploy to get our votes BACK onto Djo, because they "knew" how suspicious their votes looked, so it'd force the votes of the active people back onto a mislynch in Djo. Scum motivation. This'd mean that Inig (more likely) and/or Cheese (less likely and way more risky) are scum.

C) They just wanted to lynch somebody else than Inig, plain and simple. Scum motivation. Means Inig is scum.


So, to recap, I see 3 possible reasons. All are scum motivated. Cheese is 1-1 in possible scuminess here, while Inig is 2-0. Roco has the same alignment as Inig for sure. It's also a serious sign that they communicate with each other privately.

And the worst part: They don't even try to explain their fucking selves. They just keep with their strategy and hope we'll try our hand at another mislynch and forget about them again.

You can talk about your concerns of Alsn with him in the meantime, because it's not like the lurking boy wonders actually say anything. But I'mma be clear on this: If the lurkers don't come out with a REALLY damn good explanation of their actions during the night, I'm going to autolynch them first thing. (If I survive the night) And I'd ask you to do the same thing.


In regards to what I bolded, keep in mind that everything was just fine with the votes until inig jumped in and switched to cheese. This caused the panic, but the mislynch of djo was going to happen before that anyway. I cannot think of a scum motive for inig to jump in and switch to cheese. The town motive there would be he truly believed djo was town or cheese was scum.

So, at panic time, we 3 said "Oh shit inig's being suspicious, screw that let's jump him" which I think was ok on our part because that shit was completely suspicious, and at the time it looked like he was trying to save djo (who I thought was scum). However, with djo flipping town, I can't figure out a single scum motive for him to do that, so while scummy and/or confusing (IMO non townie) as hell, I just can't see why he'd do it as scum.

Now onto roco, he switched vote after we started panicing about inig, and after dandel and alsn jumped over to inig. I had shown interest in switching to inig and I tried to see if djo and/or nackht were interested in a switch. This is the point where roco changed to cheese. IF we knew inig was scum, I could see this as a scum motive for roco to jump in and vote cheese, because it forces our votes back on djo's mislynch, but since we don't currently know if inig is scum, I guess this can't be a scum tell.

Again with roco as with inig, I can see a town motive for doing this. He already showed he didn't want to lynch djo earlier, and his current vote on dandel was useless to saving djo, but switching to cheese at least gives djo a chance (let's say that one of us might have been willing to switch to cheese, we had the chance to do so after both inig and roco switched and it would have gotten cheese lynched).

Now let me get this clear. I don't understand WHY inig or roco did what they did, and I WANT EXPLANATIONS, but I don't know if we'll get them (from roco at least, might from inig, but it'll just be "I thought djo was town and cheese was scum"). They sure are making this game hard as hell for me to figure out, which seems completely untownie to me (then again wtf do I know), but I can't figure out a scum motive for what they did beyond "make this game confusing as hell for town."
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 14:39 GMT
#1401
On October 30 2012 23:01 Alsn wrote:
Yea, exactly. I think at this point even though I still believe there's a possibility that you're scum Dandel, I think I'm pretty much forced to trust you at this point. So if you, me and Rad all figure out a lynch target that we can get behind, we just have to hope that remaining townies go for it too. Cause even if we mislynch, if all 4 town don't consolidate on the same target we don't even have the chance of being right.


What's forcing you to trust dandel at this point? The 3 of us just contributed to a djo mislynch. If you're town, I'm not sure why you would trust anyone at this point. I can see a scum motivation here to rally us into another mislynch though.

If you're town, and dandel is scum, why would he rally with you to lynch a scum? He would try to lead you in the wrong direction for the game winning mislynch.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 14:57 GMT
#1407
@Alsn

Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:09 GMT
#1412
@debears

Yeah I get it, and pretty much agree with your assessment. However, they're playing the game how they want to play it, and shitty useless town isn't scum.

IF inig and roco are town, it's going to be easiest for scum to push a lynch on them, so I'm going to be extremely cautious about that.

I really, really hope we at least get some feedback from inig, or at least another one liner from roco. If the game ends in an inig/roco lynch where one is town, I'm going to feel like this was just a ton of wasted time.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:11 GMT
#1415
On October 31 2012 00:07 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote:
@Alsn

Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider.
With regards to the bolded part, I agree that since Djod's motives were pure, we should definitely pay attention to his thoughts. We need to keep in mind however that he was town, so he actually doesn't know anything more than we do. The only advantage he had on us was the he knew he was town before the lynch, but so did scum. So I guess with that in mind we should be able to find something but I'm not sure how much we can trust Djod's reads at this point. If anything, we have the exact same information now that he did, except we aren't under massive pressure due to being on the lynching block.


I agree that we can't base anything just on djo's one statement. What I was getting at was there are other ways to try to get a read on inig and roco. We have a bunch of dead townies now. What did they think about inig and roco before they were killed?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:13 GMT
#1419
On October 31 2012 00:11 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 00:07 Alsn wrote:
On October 30 2012 23:57 Rad wrote:
@Alsn

Find reasons to trust or not trust people. For inig, you can look at djo's statement that he's got an 80% town read on him. Djo had the chance to save himself on an inig bandwagon but he straight up declined. Djo flipped town, why did he trust inig so much? There's going to be more stuff like that that we need to consider.
With regards to the bolded part, I agree that since Djod's motives were pure, we should definitely pay attention to his thoughts. We need to keep in mind however that he was town, so he actually doesn't know anything more than we do. The only advantage he had on us was the he knew he was town before the lynch, but so did scum. So I guess with that in mind we should be able to find something but I'm not sure how much we can trust Djod's reads at this point. If anything, we have the exact same information now that he did, except we aren't under massive pressure due to being on the lynching block.


I agree that we can't base anything just on djo's one statement. What I was getting at was there are other ways to try to get a read on inig and roco. We have a bunch of dead townies now. What did they think about inig and roco before they were killed?


EBWOP: "everything" not "anything"
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:14 GMT
#1421
On October 31 2012 00:11 debears wrote:
@Alsn

Part of the problem with Djo's trust of Inig is the fact that he was on the chopping block......you look for trust from anyone to sway the lynch in your favor


I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you clarify?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:19 GMT
#1425
@debears

ok but he refused to jump on an inig bandwagon after inig had already come back to vote for cheese. Moving to the inig bandwagon would have saved him. WHY didn't he jump?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:26 GMT
#1432
@debears

Notice I was asking djo if he would switch to inig bandwagon. I didn't want to switch if he didn't, because I was afraid of a last second cheese lynch due to the chaos, so I stuck on djo until I got his answer. When he declined, I decided to stick with djo.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 15:29 GMT
#1434
On October 31 2012 00:23 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 00:19 Rad wrote:
@debears

ok but he refused to jump on an inig bandwagon after inig had already come back to vote for cheese. Moving to the inig bandwagon would have saved him. WHY didn't he jump?
The obvious answer seems to me that he truly thought Cheese was scum and that we were trying to manipulate him into mislynching Inig instead of him. Given within the short amount of time within which this occurred, I don't think he really had time to think it through. I know I didn't.

He had stated before that he thought Inig was just a bad townie. He probably didn't have time to change his mind that quickly.


Djo shows a ton of confidence in his claim with the 80% and smiley, IMO

On October 30 2012 08:57 Djodref wrote:
No, Ini is a newb townie, 80% sure of it

Guys, I have some magic with the lurkers


I don't think he needed any more time to think about inig's innocence. Not saying djo is necessarily correct in his thoughts, but I think he was confident.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 16:56 GMT
#1439
@nackht so you're certain debears is town?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 18:58 GMT
#1451
@nackht aren't there 3 scum right now? Or am I confused O.o
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 19:02 GMT
#1452
On October 31 2012 03:52 nackhtjogger wrote:
The only scenario worth considering right now is that there are 2 scum. I think I've identified Cheesecake as one by pointing out his constant queries into town's approval for his courses of action and considerations, which is what belnding in really means. Blending in doesn't mean you don't notice the guy .. it just means he TRIES desperately TO BLEND IN, actively I might add. Once you have enough experience to know how that manifests you can identify this by simply reading the tone of the post.

Alsn on the other hand is another breed, his actions give away his scummness and the fact that his actions don't add up with what he claims to be thinking. If that wouldn't have been the case he would've either voted for Cheese or never mentioned that he finds cheese suspicious. What he did was .. not only anti-town in itself but it also kept other townies from doing the right thing and voting for Cheese. People started to listen to him when he said Cheese was suspicious but he sabotaged that trust and did exactly the opposite .. even saying that Dandel would be to blame for a Cheese mislynch. Oh really? That would've been 100% my fault obviously but somehow he cracked under pressure and actually believed he was going to get some heat.

I think you, debears, tried persistently to get a leader position going from the start, and I have reasons to believe you feel threatened by my appearance and the certainty I'm emanating. You must feel like I know too much or that I want nothing more than to manipulate. Certain town? Who cares if you're certain town to me or not .. the only scenario that is left for consideration is that there are 2 scum and you have heard that I'm pretty sure cheese and alsn to be it. So what's the problem .. of course I'm drawing the line at this point and I want everybody except those two on my team.


Regarding the bolded part, the idea that Alsn cracked under pressure feeling like he'd take heat on a cheese mislynch suggests either Alsn is scum and knows cheese will flip town, or alsn is town so has no idea what cheese will flip and doesn't want to take heat if he flips town.

If Alsn pushes for cheese lynch and cheese is scum, there wouldn't be any heat on Alsn. The only case where there would be heat is if cheese flips town. You think both are scum. How does your argument make any sense?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 19:16 GMT
#1461
@nackht sorry, I see what you meant now. I didn't follow who "he" was properly. I see now you meant dandel. That makes sense.

Also, I didn't realize a possibility of a 2 scum game. I thought there had to be 3. The throws my thought process for a huge loop. I really wish someone pointed that out when Djo and I were discussing the different scenarios before because all the scenarios were based on 3 scum.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 19:41 GMT
#1476
(assuming 3 scum) It's 5v3 right now. Scum will kill a townie, leaving it at 4v3. Yeah, that sucks, but we're not completely dead yet. And to quote you:

On October 28 2012 02:09 nackhtjogger wrote:
I don't see why town would want to drag down morale like that.

Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 30 2012 22:36 GMT
#1494
Inig, I'm sorry you're getting so emotionally involved here. I can relate though. Imagine my hell after kush flipped green. I was convinced I screwed the entire game up, and I probably did tbh.

If you're scum, FU and your stories.

Seriously, if you're town, please try to just contribute a little. You don't have to spend 8 hours a day. Just give us something. Be honest and open and townie. Don't hold back your thoughts, just be open about stuff you're thinking about and relax. If we mislynch you for misreading you, but you're giving some content and contributing, bad on us, but it's really hard when you sit back and do nothing, then jump in last second and create chaos.
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