EPTI'm going to look through it a bit, not really looking for anything in particular. What do you think about kush's claim? Do you think he's lying about not realizing he was on a scumteam with debears?
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I'm going to look through it a bit, not really looking for anything in particular. What do you think about kush's claim? Do you think he's lying about not realizing he was on a scumteam with debears? | ||
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On October 28 2012 07:51 Dandel Ion wrote: Yah. They way they all cuddled up to each other in the postgame and stuff, it makes it really hard to believe for me. Ahh yeah, I see. On October 11 2012 00:31 kushm4sta wrote: lol @ debears coach @Kush, why wouldn't debears make a good coach? | ||
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On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote: @Rad As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this and then another post right after So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. 2 things, inig. On the djo thing, I feel like it makes sense for kush (if scum) to center in on djo, because djo was the "scummy guy we didn't actually lynch but planned on in the future." In fact, if kush flips scum, I think that says a ton about djo. As for your question to me, I don't see a liar as useful to town. A liar is either scum, or a townie with a lot of potential to hurt town. If we catch kush in a lie, his credibility gets destroyed and if he is town, suddenly he's straight up useless. | ||
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If I die, I'd also say lynch kush. Second 2 are inig and mr cheese. I'm not clear on djo or alsn or sylver yet. Maybe i'd say from most scum to least, sylver, djo, alsn debears is my biggest town read. the new guy, forget his name, has pissed me off by lurking and/or being useless | ||
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I'm vigi. I shot kush. It came down to the very last minute before night was over, I really wasn't sure what to do and I just did it. I REALLY wanted more people there before night so I could make a more informed choice. I wanted people to confirm that my suspicions about the mr.cheese thing were good or terrible. All I had was dandel tell me he didn't really like the case, which is fine, but that's 1 person. I needed more. I expected debears to show up and yell at me if he thought it was ridiculous, but he didn't show up at all. Djo showed up minutes AFTER the end of night, even though in his filter he had been around before end of day in the past, then claimed he had just woke up (not necessarily untrue, but he had been awake in past days before then, and this seemed like an important night - for me at least, because I get to shoot or not shoot, and I'm still alive). Then kush's "lie" (which again, all I had to go on was dandel's support there) pushed me to just shoot him because I had no reason to believe him anymore. I couldn't understand what mafia motivations there might be behind him lying about debears, but the lie itself bugged the hell out of me, so that along with me just feeling he was super scummy in the first place just pushed and pushed. I was pretty sure I was going to be killed last night. Sylver being killed made me double face palm. Like I'm doing such a terrible job that mafia didn't want to kill me, but instead, wanted to kill someone who I thought had reasonable lynching potential (basically same case as inig + lots of sheeping). I remove my FoS on cheese. He was my top town read, and then i was like HEY WTF KUSH and FoS'd cheese based on that. I have to step back and rethink everything. I'll come back with more thoughts on who I suspect, but honestly at this point I'm not sure that I'm all that good at it. Maybe post game I'll be able to get some insight on things and do better in the future. I'm sorry for killing kush. I cannot believe he flipped town. I'll try to redeem myself. | ||
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On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote: @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. I was pushing it hard, because in Ace's vigi/cop guide, his top priority is to SHOOT LIARS. Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first. There are very few instances where lying benefits the town. All I had was dandel to help me with my decision. You can see I wanted him to confirm that he thought kush was a liar. On October 28 2012 07:49 Rad wrote: ty dandel I'm going to look through it a bit, not really looking for anything in particular. What do you think about kush's claim? Do you think he's lying about not realizing he was on a scumteam with debears? On October 28 2012 07:51 Dandel Ion wrote: Yah. They way they all cuddled up to each other in the postgame and stuff, it makes it really hard to believe for me. On October 28 2012 08:02 Rad wrote: Ahh yeah, I see. @Kush, why wouldn't debears make a good coach? | ||
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When I'm done catching up in the thread I'll give my thoughts on djo. I wanted to make sure that I address any concerns about my claim first so we can get the facts straight and be able to move on from there. So please check back later for my thoughts on it. | ||
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"You are never refunded a knife under any circumstances" So with that, i have 0 bullets. | ||
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On October 29 2012 04:40 Rad wrote: I think I remember inig claiming he'd be more active starting monday. I can't find him saying this, but I feel like I remember him saying in 2-3 days he'd be more active, which at the time put him as active sunday or monday. Still searching... | ||
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On October 29 2012 10:39 debears wrote: @rad What's your view on what's going on? For our "confirmed" vig we need more help from you I'm sorry, I'm trying to figure out how I can be of most help now. I feel like I've been asking the wrong questions and thinking the wrong things in the past due to my terrible read on kush and am trying to figure out how I should be approaching this. I've been keeping up on updates all day but have been very quiet because I have nothing of quality to say right now. I will go over my thoughts though. I'm currently leaning towards djo for scum. I've felt like he's scum since the beginning and have always made that clear. I don't feel much differently now. He's also really pushing the idea of "there might be an SK still" really hard. I can't really figure out why he'd do that so I don't know how to read it. At the same time, he's already said he doesn't think it's that likely: On October 29 2012 02:05 Djodref wrote: @ Rad I wouldn't say that it is impossible but I don't believe it all personally. We might still have a SK because town is stacked with blue roles in this game but I doubt it given the precedent difficult experience of the host as a SK during a newbie. You should ask the host what happens to your bullet in such cases. How many bullets do you have now ? So, I really don't understand why he's even bringing it up anymore, but again, don't know what that says. If there is an SK, what can we possibly do about it right now? Would lynching an SK even help at this point? We have to lynch a scum or we're screwed, right? I'm a bit worried that there's no one coming to djo's defense. Everyone suspects him (except the lurkers who we don't have opinions from). It reminds me of da0ud and kush and makes me second guess my thoughts. I'm extremely concerned about nackht and need to see a lot out of him before next lynch but I don't think we will. If we decide to lynch him, I think we need to pay reeeeally close attention to how it goes down, and then be ready to throw down a switch if it seems too suspicious. If he's town, it might be easy for scum to make a case on him since he's so absent. I think we can ignore any and all discussion about roco for now. There's nothing to go on except that he's a lurker. He'll be modkilled after next lynch if a replacement can't be found. If he's replaced, we can go from there. I want to see dandel come in with a cooler head and smarter replies. I'm not sold on him being scum yet. | ||
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On October 29 2012 12:20 Djodref wrote: I'm sorry but town doesn't lynch SK at 5vs3vs1. I know that my first post is not good, especially because I was wrong on the time frame. But this one still holds... If you are town, you do not lynch the SK in this configuration and you believed I was the SK. Can you explain why? | ||
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On October 29 2012 12:30 Djodref wrote: @ Rad Check this out, I have already posted it but w/e... It's not dandel first game. I guess he knows about the risks of a lylo. Ok so let's say we have 5v3v1. Town lynches town, SK kills town. 3v3v1 Is that a better situation than 4v3 with no SK? | ||
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On October 29 2012 12:42 Djodref wrote: Regarding the introduction of Alsn's case, I think you should pay attention to it. During D1, I have been accused by him but also by sylverfire, Cheese, Rad, debears and even the late Clarity was ill-disposed towards me. The only ones who were having town reads on me are daoud which we know was town and Ini but this one is not really defending me at all. I had to talk my way out of my lynch alone and it was not an easy task. So I ask you, where are my fucking scumbuddies ? If you ask yourself this question, you might be able to draw the same conclusion that Alsn did. It's not pure WIFOM. We have 2 major AFKs. Please don't try to use that defense. | ||
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