EPTNot yet, I want people to seriously consider Hiro/VE for today. I want some real discussion about it and then I'll decide if austin is better or not.
I'm preparing some stuff against Hiro right now.
What do you mean with your last post ?
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Djodref
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Not yet, I want people to seriously consider Hiro/VE for today. I want some real discussion about it and then I'll decide if austin is better or not. I'm preparing some stuff against Hiro right now. What do you mean with your last post ? | ||
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thrawn2112
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would you mind providing reasoning for anything you say once in a while? I'm sick of all your one liners: "that sucked" or "bad case" | ||
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Djodref
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Can I have your comments about my last post + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2012 01:01 Djodref wrote: Why we should lynch Hiro I consider Hiro as my second scumread behind Hopeless. I'm going to present you why I'm supportive of a Hiro lynch tomorrow. First of all, I've been suspicious of Hiro since the beginning of the game. This suspicious was maybe ill-based at the beginning but it grew stronger when I've seen him tunneling me during the majority of D1. Anyway, here are my current reasons to lynch Hiro. In my eyes, he is
Lurky + Show Spoiler + Hiro has been a difficult read for me because he doesn't post so much. I've been reading his filter a few times (don't worry it's not too long) and I would have appreciated him posting more because I cannot see his motivations clearly. Hopeless and him have roughly same sized filters but Hopeless gives at least some excuses for his lurking while it looks like Hiro drops by whenever he feels like it (like the potato episode). He also totally disregarded my calls to him to participate more. He likes to ask some pertinent questions and to give his comments when people ask him for it but he is not giving anything by himself. Not pushing nor sharing his scumreads + Show Spoiler + So far, Hiro has only shared with us two of his scumreads: prplhz and me. I didn't see any attempt from him to push my lynch while I was a semi-finalist. He turned his scumread into a null read I guess for meta reasons. While letting Sandro advance at the same time. Regarding prplhz, I agree it was more difficult to really push for his lynch. But when you look at it, Hiro has suggested that prplhz was scum D1 and then accepted it for granted after that people have made their strong stances against him on D2. This move looks really scummy to me. Moreover, we don't know whoever else could be on his scumlist. Not giving the potato immediately to prplhz + Show Spoiler + Some of you might consider this is not a big issue but I think that we lost potential information during D2 because the potato was not circulating. As his behavior didn't reflect the reason why he told us he was not giving the potato, I think he might have other motives for it. And he still didn't answer me why ! Conclusion I have been suspicious of Hiro for quite a long time and I was not sure if I was focusing on the right person. The comments he made were giving good insight on the game but I didn't notice until lately that he is in fact a little reluctant to participate. The most incriminating part is that he didn't try to push prplhz but waited for the case to be made. And he likes potato ! Would you like to lynch him today ? | ||
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Djodref
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thrawn2112
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On October 18 2012 09:30 kushm4sta wrote: I change my mind about djodref. I don't think scum djo would be as comfortable writing long paragraphs like he does just sharing his thoughts. He has constructed, formatted cases, but he also has posts in which he freely shares of this thoughts. He seems really comfortable and at ease in the thread. Is this the main reason you think djo is town because I would not expect this kind of reasoning, especially from you. Scum don't like to write long paragraphs? Are you serious? Did you completely forget about that game where I was sk? What was jacob doing the entire time other than writing long paragraphs sharing his thoughts? Same deal with you that game, his scumbuddy. What about sonic that last game? Writing long paragraphs is one of the dumbest reasons to cite for thinking somebody is town and you should know that. | ||
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thrawn2112
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As for your case, I don't think the "not giving potato to prplhz" is a good argument. Reading through his filter at that time it really looked like he had good reasons for not doing so. (He planned on giving prplhz the potato right before the 24 hour mark) Other than that the main stuff everyone (including me) has been citing as suspicious behavior was his lurking... well when he gets a replacement that makes me think he has legitimate real life reasons for his low activity. That does not point to townie or scummy... it just means he didn't have enough time to properly play the game so I can't make any judgement calls based on the fact that he was a lurker. Other than that, the posts he did make were well reasoned etc so I don't see anything damming enough to lynch his replacement. At this point my read on hiro is basically null and it's all going to be based off my read on VE from now on. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 18 2012 13:29 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: also I would like to know if it's normal to have replacement that late in the game. Do you really think this is a question that any mod would answer? I'd never ask something like this. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 13 2012 15:09 Djodref wrote: First of all, I'm disappointed that Hopeless did not advance to the final. Right now, I would like him to be lynched, at least for the confusion he is putting me through. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen today... I want him to flip so I definitively know if he is town or scum because it is going to bother me for a while. Last game I've been through a lot of WIFOM shit (thank you Kush by the way) and the result was me tunneling the town MVP for almost all game. I don't want this to happen again and I'll try to look for other players for a while. Hopeless explanations make me seriously doubting on my case against him (plus I've said myself that obvious scum is usually town, it might apply here again) but I cannot see him as town yet. Hopeless, I got my eyes on you <3 ! Reeeaaalllly scummy reasons to want to lynch somebody.... especially that 2nd bolded statement. | ||
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Djodref
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If possible, I would like everybody reading Hiro's filter before reading this post. Don't worry, it's only 3 pages, and there is not so much content. Also I find it suspicious to have a replacement happening this late in the game, but I don't know if it's common or not. My main points against him
During D1, he has mostly talked about kush and me as his scumreads. People had to ask him questions about everything else to get him commenting about it. He was retaining info imo. The most flagrant case is that he didn't even comment nor vote my match-up against Sandroba when I had been his top scumread until the beginning of R3. He also avoided to comment a lot of match-ups. He was also very laconic regarding his change of mind about me. Moreover, he promised us a deadline post with scumreads which never come. You could always spare the time to write a one-liner... [*]Hiro has been insinuating that prplhz could be scum, without clearly pushing him. On October 13 2012 05:30 HiroPro wrote: you know what's hilarious about this? prplhz is a guy who follows vets around whenever he play and never tries to lynch them. And I'm a person who normally doesn't really care. When prplhz is acting like this, something is up. Especially when has that pissed "i'm mad and i want you to know it" tone going on. On October 13 2012 05:39 HiroPro wrote: He's trying to lynch sandroba. sandroba is a vet. do I need to spell this out for you? And right now he's mad with me. I can tell it. [*]Hiro has been holding the fucking potato. I don't see any town motivation for this and his explanations were poor. On October 15 2012 06:02 HiroPro wrote: Do you think that the potato will blow up before 24 hours? No, the chance is almost none. After that though, it's a toss up. And I intend to make sure that you are the one with the potato at 24 hours. So yes I do control the lynch. Plus he didn't want to answer at all when I called him on this point. That's why I want to lynch Hiro/VE today. | ||
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Djodref
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On October 18 2012 13:40 thrawn2112 wrote: Do you really think this is a question that any mod would answer? I'd never ask something like this. I was asking you if you have seen late replacement in other games. Also, you did not want to modkill Lesrah during our last game when you should have done it because he was scum  | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 18 2012 14:04 Djodref wrote: I was asking you if you have seen late replacement in other games. Also, you did not want to modkill Lesrah during our last game when you should have done it because he was scum Well this is bordering on the line of stuff we're not supposed to talk about, but from my experience mods don't like modkilling if there's any way they can avoid it. Alignment doesn't mean anything. I only held off on modkilling lesrah for so long because A) I thought I could replace him and B) because he contacted me saying he could start playing. You should never base your case on what a mod would or wouldn't do because you don't actually know what they would do and mod decisions are always subjective so you can't ever be sure. So enough mod talk. | ||
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Djodref
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On October 18 2012 13:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Reeeaaalllly scummy reasons to want to lynch somebody.... especially that 2nd bolded statement. How would you expect me to react ? I was almost convinced to have nailed a scum and I was sure to send him to the finals with my massive vote. And then the guy goes like, "yeah, I was playing scummy on purpose, I wanted some guy to write a case on me, this was my plan" and people believe him and he doesn't advance and I don't get to know if I was right or wrong. I thought that a scum Hopeless couldn't afford to OMGUS me with all his votes (which I was hoping for), so instead he gave me some town cred for making the case, when the purpose of his plan would have been to catch some scum. But a plan like this wouldn't make any sense for scum. So that makes him town. But I doesn't make any sense for a town player to play scum on purpose. So which one is it ? I have been torturing myself with all these questions last saturday and I wanted an answer. I didn't share this in the thread because it is just WIFOM bullshit. I've decided to give a second chance to Hopeless at the end but he didn't improve his play during D2 and now he wants to lynch daoud. So, even with Mementoss post, there is a part of me which still wants to lynch this guy. | ||
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thrawn2112
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Djodref
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He kept the potato because he wanted to retain some information, as he did during the majority of D1. Just look at his thread again and please check what is the proportion of posts are where he just answers to some people question in comparison of his total number of posts. | ||
Hopeless1der
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Ultimately, I'm currently more town on MMT but unwilling to support a lynch on austin today. I read da0ud as scummy and I also don't think he's a prime candidate for any upcoming NK's, whereas Austin, MMT, VE are all significantly more likely to get taken out by scum (assuming they aren't scum themselves, duh). Lynching da0ud is a better longterm plan for town imo as it cleans out sandroba/ET's read on him and I think it will narrow our reads a lot more than say lynching MMT or Austin. Yes, its scummy to do things for information alone, but then again, why was ON lynched instead of sandroba? People (not me) felt they would be able to tell sandroba from sandroba. Can anyone in this game say the same of da0ud? I'm revising my votes so that MMT and Austin get my 6/7 spots. I don't want either lynched today because MMT has started to put down some serious effort into the thread (scum motivated or not) and Austin, while tunneling, is still known to post walls of text from time to time. There is also the fact that VE has just replaced in and has yet to properly sit down and take a good look at this game I think. 1-da0ud 2-djodref 3-kushm4sta 4-VisceraEyes 5-Thrawn2112 6-Mementoss 7-Austinmcc 8-Hopeless1der djodref is up there because in isolation, he's a scummier looking player, but I feel I'm really forcing any connections I make between him and other players. Since I want to hold off on MMT/Austin, after da0ud I'm ranking in the order of who I would care least if they were to go missing. I don't think kush or VE are going to be anywhere close to getting lynched, and I may need to move djodref around to have a better shot at da0ud. Really tired, so I'll lay out the short version of why I want da0ud before I go to sleep:
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