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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. Is me pointing it out earlier that I know I was being useless. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 12 2012 18:06 Djodref wrote: As promised, I would like to present you my case against Hopeless. My main points against him are:
Lack of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + He admits it himself in this post in response to Kush On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Addressing more of this: /snip You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Please note also how he implies that we are going to mislynch (all the scum already out comment). This is not scummy but it is at least not good town mentality. On top of that he refuses to give his scumreads invoking bad excuses (what are the lynch mechanics doing here ?) and for this, I clearly don't see any town motivation. No one asked me to clarify what I meant by "conventional". My implication that we'd mislynch was to point out that there are potential scum that cannot be lynched this round and to try and find them would not be productive this cycle. As it turns out, many disagree and feel that I need to at least make my reads on players known. That way I can put up a nice, townie face so that THEY can read ME better. This has not been articulated well, but I get the point. Suspicious unvotes at deadline + Show Spoiler + I don't know if you have noticed it but his unannounced unvote at round 1 deadline had a influence on the kush/prplhz match-up. He let Kush advanced over Prplhz. Look at the way he presents it On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: /snip I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. /snip I'm not accepting his excuse for this. Should I state that I'm going to be present for deadline tomorrow and happily reverse the result of a matchup ? Is this ok ? I don't like the way he presents it, stating that it almost exactly the same, when his actions led to an opposite results for one match-up. He has no choice but to admit it but the fact he has doing it passively (by unvoting) and shifting the focus on Hiro helped him to make Kush advance (or should I say eliminate prplhz from the competition?) quite unnoticed. First, Don't make connection theories until someone has flipped. If you wanted my read of Kush/prplhz, ask for it. Second, I read kush as scummier than prplhz in that instance, Hiro wanted him to advance but the Higher Seed rule was not going to apply. I also was reading Hiro as town at the time. At least, I didn't catch up at first. If you guys have all seen this then I'm sorry for bringing this up. What makes it even more suspicious is the global picture:
I would say that Hopeless doesn't really care about who is going to advance in this bracket. And the question I really would like him to answer is what he is planning to do with all the votes that he has carefully saved ? Of course I care, that's why I made Kush go through instead of prplhz. The rest of my reads went through. The fact that I used no votes to do it is weird, but not scummy. I very clearly understood and you could say abused the lynch mechanics, but my unvoting was extremely deliberate. At present, I hope not to advance to the next round because I don't think you're going to get votes and mine will be useless if I advance. I think you're town, so if I have to, they're all going onto sandroba. Contradicts himself + Show Spoiler + Firstly he did contradict himself while speaking about letting kush advance. I'm sorry but it not exactly the same when you reverse the issue of a matchup. And here is the second contradiction: I didn't understand why he was so obsessed with people present at deadline and I called him for it. Here is the post he gave me in response On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote: There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it? OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not. I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine. I changed 1 matchup and left 2 unchanged. In doing so, I was able to preserve all of my votes. Because my strongest tool is my ability to vote, I reviewed the votecount at deadline and determined that 2 of my votes were not required to get the players that I wanted to advance. I agreed with Hiro's suspicions on kush and I needed to at least remove my vote from prplhz in order to advance kush. If I was going to be more explicit about it, I could have used a vote on kush, but that was not necessary due to the lynch mechanics. My droning on about the deadlines was me intentionally being unproductive. My "unvoting cuisine" occurred again at the end of round 2 when I reduced my votes so as to not waste them. This is not inherently scummy behavior in my opinion. With all this I'm pretty sure that Hopeless is [red]scum. I'm going to go full force in him this round against him because I really want him to get lynched today and I may not be able to use my votes on the next round. I'm also interested to see who is going to vote for his concurrent, the Great Lurker, I named OriginalName. Please be aware that I'm not forgiving ON in any way with this post. Right now, I really find Hopeless to be the scummiest among us. Prplhz is also looking scummy in my eyes. I'll develop on this later but I would like first to have some feedback on this case, especially from Hopeless. Hopeless x6 As I noted earlier, don't go looking at prplhz just because you think I've saved him, especially in the event that I don't flip today. Also, if you get the chance, I don't think you'll need to use all your votes. Just saying... | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 13 2012 03:43 thrawn2112 wrote: You want us to lynch sandroba and you have somewhat of a town read on djo correct? And disregarding your situation what are your thoughts about lynching ON? Correct about wanting to lynch sandroba and a townread on djodref. I'm unsure about OriginalName. We're still technically on Day 1, and there is no explicit modkill rule plus you don't have to vote. I don't know what the deal is, he hasn't given us any input on why he's been so inactive aside from "my phone died". His excuses for his djodref x2 vote are extremely flimsy. He was around for a half hour after the lynch, and then returned almost halfway into Round 2 to say he panicked because of a "Y U No Post" PM from Kita. There had been multiple instances of people questioning his motives and he ignored all of it. His attempted last minute vote ended up counting towards the Day 2 votecount, which it seems that many were unaware of, myself included. If he doesn't return soon, or doesn't give us any indication that he gives a shit upon his return, I would heavily consider his lynch over sandroba's. For now, I'm operating under the assumption that he's got some serious IRL issues going on. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Djodref's case on Hopeless honestly isn't very good. Except for the part about not scumhunting, he doesn't explain why any of those things are more likely to be done by scum and the whole thing about the kush/prplhz voting honestly looks like a complete misread. Not sure if town djodref would make a case like this, I'll need to read through his earlier game. OriginalName x2 | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
I'm currently going through filters for proper scumreads. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
So I want it to be sandroba vs ON, with sandroba getting lynched. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:28 Hopeless1der wrote: Basically hoping to lure scum out either latching onto my case with poor justification, just sheeping or trying to defend me for towncred, knowing I'd flip town. Quite frankly I think it failed pretty hard, so yeah...I won't be trying stunts like this again. I'm currently going through filters for proper scumreads. K. I'll put 2 onto ON. It would be a policy lynch, sad to say, but lurking in a mini is extremely bad for town. Can't stand for it. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
How would sandroba be a policy lynch? He's been around. Lynching him would be an old-fashioned regular lynch. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
gooby please | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:26 HiroPro wrote: We're not lynching hopeless. His plan looks silly but it looks like a townie plan - bring attention onto yourself needlessly (not something scum would do) and try to make some attempt at advancing discussion. Djodref's case on Hopeless honestly isn't very good. Except for the part about not scumhunting, he doesn't explain why any of those things are more likely to be done by scum and the whole thing about the kush/prplhz voting honestly looks like a complete misread. Not sure if town djodref would make a case like this, I'll need to read through his earlier game. OriginalName x2 Do you want to lynch OriginalName today? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:39 EchelonTee wrote: Having no night is weird. Don't have time to collect my thoughts on anything lol. How would sandroba be a policy lynch? He's been around. Lynching him would be an old-fashioned regular lynch. were you talking about my post? the policy lynch part referred to ON, not sandroba | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
yea | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:46 thrawn2112 wrote: were you talking about my post? the policy lynch part referred to ON, not sandroba Oh ok. I was confused because you said "I think it's going to be a policy lynch", and then you said you preferred sandroba to be lynched. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Why don't you want to lynch sandroba? I mean there's absolutely nothing in your filter about him even though he's quite a hot topic. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:52 prplhz wrote: Why don't you want to lynch sandroba? I mean there's absolutely nothing in your filter about him even though he's quite a hot topic. Because lynching sandroba on d1 is dumb. And he's done nothing to make me think he's scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:59 HiroPro wrote: Because lynching sandroba on d1 is dumb. And he's done nothing to make me think he's scum. What has OriginalName done to make you think he's scum? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:00 prplhz wrote: What has OriginalName done to make you think he's scum? Nothing. But I think hopeless is probably town. And ON is basically useless. | ||
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