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I'm sorry...I'm supposed to be finding scumreads but I sidetracked myself with cleaning my house of all things...
I wanted to try to be scummy beforehand, so I was going to try to ninja vote, which I did, and be generally unhelpful to see who bites. I felt I was kind of screwed and needed someone to make a case on me, but no one needed to because my matchups were so one sided.
I voted djodref mainly because I needed that case made, but also yes, to see his read/consistency.
I'll try to be back within an hour
@Kush:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 03:28 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
OK so you pushe ddjodref though to get a read on his alignment... by way of seeing if he were to make a case against you after he moved forwards. So that means at the time you voted djod you knew that you already looked scummy? Had you been playing intentionally scummy from the start as part of a gambit? I Ninja Unvoted + Show Spoiler +On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead?
-Will you be here for the deadline?
-Don't waste your votes.
Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity.
Addressing more of this: IF you make any statement towards being inactive at the deadline (like mementoss has) then if you do anything around the deadline you're instantly suspicious. You will be scrutinized and the town will have a greater ability to control the lynch because everyone will know that certain votes are completely locked in place and are not subject to change. I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 03:45 Mementoss wrote:
@Hopeless stop defending yourself and give us your two best scum reads or your view of the matchups and who you are thinking of voting I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Explicitly NOT giving a proper read on kush in the spoilered post above, despite causing him to advance in his bracket. I basically gave a summary of what happened with my votes without giving any solid input concerning my reads. I also posted this in the spoiler: Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. And my general insistence on deadlines and schedules earlier on in the game, instead of scumhunting or engaging in ANY productive discussion whatsoever.
Working on my response to djodref's case.
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On October 13 2012 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm sorry...I'm supposed to be finding scumreads but I sidetracked myself with cleaning my house of all things...
I wanted to try to be scummy beforehand, so I was going to try to ninja vote, which I did, and be generally unhelpful to see who bites. I felt I was kind of screwed and needed someone to make a case on me, but no one needed to because my matchups were so one sided.
Is that referring to when you unvoted at the end of D1?
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I've read over the last few pages and nothing new has really come up. Today is a holiday, so I got wasted ytd and just woke up. Now I'm going to proceed and do the same thing over again, so don't expect posts till tomorrow.
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Prplhz, would you care to weight in on the ON vs 1der matter? I don't want to vote dump but I will if I have to.
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On October 13 2012 07:09 sandroba wrote:
I've read over the last few pages and nothing new has really come up. Today is a holiday, so I got wasted ytd and just woke up. Now I'm going to proceed and do the same thing over again, so don't expect posts till tomorrow.
u srs?
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Austin I know you like posting walls of text about anything and everything.... are you here?
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On October 13 2012 07:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:09 sandroba wrote:
I've read over the last few pages and nothing new has really come up. Today is a holiday, so I got wasted ytd and just woke up. Now I'm going to proceed and do the same thing over again, so don't expect posts till tomorrow. u srs?
He's not lying. Today was Our Lady of Aparecida day in Brazil.
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On October 13 2012 07:09 EchelonTee wrote:
Prplhz, would you care to weight in on the ON vs 1der matter? I don't want to vote dump but I will if I have to.
huh? i prefer 1der advances
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i need to sleep i have to drive 400km early tomorrow morning
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On October 13 2012 07:24 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:09 EchelonTee wrote:
Prplhz, would you care to weight in on the ON vs 1der matter? I don't want to vote dump but I will if I have to. huh? i prefer 1der advances
why is that?
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because it looks like ON is legitimately away while 1der was doing nothing in the beginning of the game and then i poked him and then suddenly he's doing everything.
i'm not too up to date on the whole "i was trying to be scummy" thing but it looks like kush and you are really looking into that so we'll have the necessary info for later.
in the end i'd prefer a sandroba lynch anyway so who advances from the left bracket doesn't really matter much to me.
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1der only talked about one single match up for the first like 10 posts which looks tunnely and that's really weird because everybody else is talking about stuff all over the place. i also skimmed some of his earlier games and i can't really remember what i found out right now (i keep mixing hiro and hopeless up in my brain) but it made me lean slightly more scummy on him.
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On October 13 2012 07:40 prplhz wrote:
1der only talked about one single match up for the first like 10 posts which looks tunnely and that's really weird because everybody else is talking about stuff all over the place. i also skimmed some of his earlier games and i can't really remember what i found out right now (i keep mixing hiro and hopeless up in my brain) but it made me lean slightly more scummy on him.
are you willing to vote for him? i'm having trouble with that mu... ON is just afk/null/wtf/etc so any vote on him would be strictly a policy lynch. however i am interested in keeping up the pressure on hopeless because his main defense is that he was acting intentionally scummy... so I'm kinda wanting to keep the pressure on him so that my read on him will be based off of more than what he's already given
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I want 1der to die
Sandroba's excuse is good and true. I have no doubt he got drunk today and will do the same tomorrow, regardless of if he is town or scum. I don't think it's wise to lynch someone who could potentially be very valuable as town without giving him the opportunity to defend himself.
1der's supposed strategy: it's a real thing noobs do, no doubt. I know this from first hand experience. However I think a noob town would go about it in a very different way.
When I did it I would say things that were directly anti town. 1ders fake scumminess did not seem overtly antitown. It just seemed like misplaced effort.
Incoming.quote that makes 1ders play seem sincere not faked.
Also keep.in mind that this is a rare occasion when sincerity is scummy, since it would mean he is lying now.
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On October 12 2012 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
because the lynch is towns strongest tool and ON treating it like shit upsets me.
On October 12 2012 10:49 kushm4sta wrote:
ah wtf I didn't see originals votes there for djodref.. i dont think he even meant them to be used today
On October 12 2012 10:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
...and you wonder why i give a shit
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On October 13 2012 07:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin I know you like posting walls of text about anything and everything.... are you here?
I'm here. I've got a couple general thoughts, and need to check and see whether applying them to what's happened shakes out anyone. I'll post a wall or two shortly 
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What, you wanted me to wave a flag shouting LYNCH ME IM SCUM!!?
That would perhaps have generated discussion, but in a much more chaotic manner than would be that useful.
Kush, you trying to tell me you had a town read on me but since I made this shit up I'm now lying scum?
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On October 13 2012 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:40 prplhz wrote:
1der only talked about one single match up for the first like 10 posts which looks tunnely and that's really weird because everybody else is talking about stuff all over the place. i also skimmed some of his earlier games and i can't really remember what i found out right now (i keep mixing hiro and hopeless up in my brain) but it made me lean slightly more scummy on him. are you willing to vote for him? i'm having trouble with that mu... ON is just afk/null/wtf/etc so any vote on him would be strictly a policy lynch. however i am interested in keeping up the pressure on hopeless because his main defense is that he was acting intentionally scummy... so I'm kinda wanting to keep the pressure on him so that my read on him will be based off of more than what he's already given
no
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lol i'm talking about hiro again
that was hiro only talking about one mu for the entire game (me/kush)
seriously my brain can't handle you two at the same time i keep mixing you up
anyway, i like keeping my thoughts to myself but screw it. sandroba looks very scum to me and i don't want to waste votes in the other bracket doing anything as long as sandroba is advancing.
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sandroba has a legitimate excuse for getting drunk but saying that nothing has happened in the last 6 pages is just lazy. he looks like he does in liar game (and i thought he was town  along with his team mates echelontee and palmar).
kush read liar game or just sandroba's filter (notsolong) and tell me what you think
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