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Where the hell are ghost, Mattchew, Crossfire, ghost and Hiro? None of them posted at all since D2 ended (except Mattchew for that unrelated post he made).
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Wait I've read the N2 thread and noticed they posted:
On October 05 2012 14:12 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 05:28 Drazerk wrote:
To keep myself alive longer which is pro town as you say so yourself. Why are you concerned about this? You're always the person who says that town should get rid of you at some point.
On October 06 2012 00:24 ghost_403 wrote:
Can anyone who actually read page 39 tell me if it's worth my time to actually read page 39? Seriously, an entire page of Gonzaw and JH bickering?
...are you guys planning on making those your only posts from N2?
Sure, most likely we are 8-2 and have like 2 more days before arriving at LYLO...but seriously.
On October 06 2012 04:45 JingleHell wrote:
If you don't understand the points, I can't help you in the slightest
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Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know.
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On October 06 2012 05:07 Mattchew wrote:
I hate when people play the woe is me I think imma stop playing mafia defense as town or scum... It's terrible and makes me feel bad
You'll understand later.
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On October 06 2012 05:13 Drazerk wrote:
547>558
On October 04 2012 16:19 Drazerk wrote:
S+B you should probably claim what happened to you last night that would probably help things.
This is no claim. You are asking S&B to tell us what happened last night.
...no that's ambiguous as hell we can't assume you claimed there.
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On October 06 2012 05:20 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know. This response is so wrong there's no justification for it from a town point of view. Let's take a moment to examine what was said here: - Any unclaimed shot must be anti-town
- Unquestioning belief that Draz is telling the truth
- More blue fishing
- Stuff that was just plain wrong
There are reasons why unclaimed shots might have been from someone in the town. For example, Lord Kanti's KP from Aperture Mafia. Based on the flips that have already occured this game, I don't think that it's irrational to assume that a role with KP doesn't have some other stuff associated with it. The fact that Draz didn't immediately claim his shot doesn't imply that he's scum. That second part about the busdriver is (a) wrong and (b) blue fishing. In the event of a busdriver, 98% of the time, the person performing the action isn't notified of a bussing. Therefore, Draz would not know that he had bussed, and wouldn't have known to claim that he shot S+B. And why on earth are you implying that there's a town busdriver to begin with? Why do you keep fishing for blues? As town, you should know better than to spout off stuff like this. You would have taken a step back and realized that this post doesn't accomplish anything other than create more chaos while people discuss why you are completely wrong. Town gonzaw is better than this.
...is this post serious? Do I really have to point out all the stuff you misinterpreted or got wrong?
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Who is talking about being misinterpreted?
What "scummy behaviour"? I'm not "misinterpreting" ghost, he's misinterpreting me (quite badly).
Seriously Jingle I just don't get some of your posts or why you even bother posting them.
Are you seriously just sitting on your chair, gluing your face to the monitor waiting for me to make any post at all to completely dissect and post how it's scummy?
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You forgot Hiro S&B
Where has ghost gone? You can't just lurk lurk, make a bad post and then disappear.
Anyways, having some thoughts and changes of mind and shit, I'll try to write something before the deadline
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EBWOP: Nevermind you included him with XFire
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Meh sorry, too tired to write something. My reads aren't quite coherent though, so I don't think it would make a difference if I died and didn't post them.
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Hiro, are you still there?
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I'll answer against his suspicions anyways.
On October 06 2012 07:24 HiroPro wrote:
I'm leaning scum on gonzaw. the rolefishing stuff that people are talking about though is not very good - town gonzaw is fully capable of doing that also. gonzaw said earlier that if jinglehell doesn't present a good case on him (not like the stuff
jinglehell was posting earlier about gonzaw, then jingle is scum. but now that jinglehell has made a case (which largely reads as if it is just everything that jinglehell had previously said about gonzaw in one cleaner post), and gonzaw has treated the case as if it was horrendous, gonzaw has done nothing to say that jinglehell is scum. instead he's continued to treat jinglehell as some kind of misguided townie. that's really the one thing that's making me think he's scum. in terms of his other behavior, i'm just not sure, i can see him doing them as either scum or town ( I took a look back through bureaucracy and his thoughts then too seemed genuine to me).
I wanted him to make a case at all and commit.
Yes the case may be "bad"....but meh how the hell am I supposed to react to Jingle? I get gut feelings he's town but he seems to purposefully try to antagonize me and dismiss everything I do every time i post something or respond to him.
It's one of those times where you think "there's no way a townie would go at me like that and play like that", but then you think there are countless instances of townies doing that and you back down because, hell he might be one of those.
Hiro, I take it you were away or something until right now? You said you were going to be inactive until friday.
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Small reads:
Crossfire and Mattchew are town, but that seems obvious (still had quite a time trying to figure out if they were fooling me or not). Specially because of their NL shenanigans on D2. If S&B is town that NL business makes no fucking sense as scum (why try to force a NL if you can lynch the medic by doing nothing, and you can also lynch another medic/vet by switching your vote?)
Shit lol should have done this earlier I don't have time now.
Hiro, ehmm...damn, he seems too desinterested to be scum and doesn't seem to push any scum agenda at all. It's also possible scum shot him last night and S&B took the hit. I don't quite like him being so disconnected and just going around asking questions and not being part of anything, but I struggle to make a solid stance on him
ghost I think may be most likely scum. I said on D1 that maybe he acted like that to "appear like the aggressive hero townie", but he made no effort whatsoever to mantain that or even try to do something. That post he made against me is very bad, and he immediately disappeared and did nothing else.
austin I'm less sure of him, I can't make a solid stance. My gut says townie though, but my brain says that I should be wary of him.
shit no time.
well wahtever
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Yeah, I'm back to "don't really know, but it can't hurt to kill him" about Drazerk. I can really see him play like this as either 3rd party or town (maybe even scum).
*sigh*
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On October 06 2012 08:02 Drazerk wrote:
haha now we have to lynch pbody / atlas
Well.....damn.
Hmm, brainstorming time:
-ALTAS/P-Body are from Aperture, not Black Mesa. At worst they are red scum...but did red scum really know there was another faction? If not, they would have thought there was only town, so why take that risk?
-Couldn't we let the other scum team kill them if they are really scum?
-Again, being "medics" thingy doesn't seem like a scum role; although I'm waiting on confirmations from hits and shit.
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Keriathi, S&B, did you get hit/did something happen?
I'm still waiting for HiroPro
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Hmm, interesting thought I had about S&B and Keirathi still being town:
Let's assume they are both scum, then:
1)Both of them belong to a scum team: This means there are most likely 3 members from each team (it has to be balanced in terms of numbers on both teams, since they have to outnumber everybody else). This leaves only 7 townies in total, and 7 townies vs 6 scum seems kind of imbalanced in respect to town. It also means they decided to basically out their whole remaining team on D2 for no reason at all (remember Nisani was getting more votes and was set to get lynched, not S&B); and the other scum faction would know who they are as well and they are completely defenseless, specially once the other scum faction shoot one of them (since they would be "confirmed town" for a while) at some point.
If they knew the black scum team existed or not, it doesn't make much sense
2)One of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is from the other one: First of all, it means S&B is scum. If S&B is scum, and knows there is a PBody out there, why would he assume it's town? His own role would be scum wouldn't it? So that alone doesn't make much sense for him to claim at all (could just fakeclaim something else, or not claim at all, like I said he wasn't in a position where he needed to claim or could fake-claim as scum really). This also means that once S&B claimed, scum Keirathi (from the other team) decided to out himself instead of just keeping shut and let town lynch S&B once no P-Body claimed (from Keirathi's POV S&B is either town or 3rd party or another scum faction, therefore killing S&B helps his agenda).
3)Once of them is from 1 scumteam and the other one is town: Again. If S&B is scum, same reasoning (why would he claim?). If he claimed I could see town Keirathi claiming though.
If Keirathi is scum....again why claim? Let S&B get lynched.
Arguments against any of them being Black Scum is that ATLAS and P-Body belong to Aperture Science and are Test Subjects; it makes no sense flavour-wise for them to win with Black Mesa (unless they are Brain-washed or something in the flavour?). Because they are both from Aperture it also makes sense that they are either both town or both scum (again unless one of them has a "was brainwashed" flavour or something).
This is flavour related only, so take it with a grain of salt.
So, considering everything, from what I said above, to the flavour, to their roles (they are medics/vets, confirmed by the fact that S&B received a shot that was also confirmed by Drazerk, and all 4 of them can't be in the same scumteam faking that), to their play this game (Keirathi played pretty townie I think, and S&B seemed to contribute more and put more effort into the game after D2), it makes me think they are both town.
Any objections?
The other option is that they could be 3rd party outside the known factions (town, red scum, black scum) and win like survivors or something....but if that's the case, then we'd have like 5 townies total in a game of 13 players and that makes no sense at all.
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Oh, premature lynch of Drazerk I see?
Hmm, I'm going to wait to see what Hiro/ghost/austin have to say first.
Also, can someone tell me in which team do they think Drazerk is scum from? That can help clear a lot of confusions and/or make us figure out new stuff and shit. I'll look into myself later.
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On October 06 2012 08:19 Mattchew wrote:
##vote drazerk
honestly he has done nothing pro-town and imo has played like a jerk.
I think we are in a 8 vs. 1 vs. 1 situation.
Also, I want someone to point out why I am clearly town now, the reason is out there and I want to see who can find it
You and Crossfire initiated some interactions as soon as the game started, and he sheeped you with the iamperfection vote even though if you were both black you would have thought iamp was town (and one "noob" scum sheeping another scum on D1 would be risky as hell and would most likely not happen?) and defended you always as "super townie"?
If it's that...hmm, I'm not sure, seems possible but I didn't think much about it. Damn there's a lot to think.
Hmm, also something interesting to note is:
-Both scum teams may have not known there was another scum team initially
-Black Scum knew there was another scum team as soon as D1 ended.
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