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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:35 JingleHell wrote: This almost makes me feel bad for my original vote on you, except you're aiming for SNB over Gonzaw. Although SNB would probably be third on my list after Gonzaw and Austin, just because I remember him being a bit more assertive when I've seen him. So you think s&b made it all up? What about my point about the p-body smurf in the caller game before roles went out? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:39 Keirathi wrote: So you think s&b made it all up? What about my point about the p-body smurf in the caller game before roles went out? I think that sort of speculation is absurd from every angle. I'd certainly rather see SNB than Nisani, so actually, since people aren't listening on Gonzaw yet... ##Unvote ##Vote Strongandbig | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
 I am not p-body. Some observations as I read through the last couple pages: Gonzaw, why are you asking this? On October 05 2012 01:25 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, if P-BODY claims it could go on to basically confirm both of you as town (or really bold 3rd parties), or at least put both of you into the spotlight and see if your actions at night confirm you both (if for instance you "save" another shot). Who was your target that was shot? I don't see any reason to not claim since scum would shoot him anyways, and it may semi-confirm him as town as well (unless he was shot by a SK-type role). When P-BODY targets player X and you target player Y, then it means both you and P-Body target both X and Y at the same time? Or did I get that wrong? Another thing: If scum shoot you directly, do you take a hit to your "extra lives" as well? Or do you die instantly? Hmm, well, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch Nisani today, unless in a weird state of events he claims P-Body (but I heavily doubt it). Also, again like always I'm leaving to uni until after the deadline (cue Jingle FoSing me again). I'm leaving in about 1 hour or so. Why would you want that answered? As far as I can tell, the answer to that question is ONLY useful to scum. Whether you believe his claim or not...asking "Mr. Bodyguard, how exactly can you be killed?" is NOT information that needs to be out in the open. That question gives me SERIOUS red flags. I need to look back over you. On October 05 2012 01:46 Drazerk wrote: Gambits are fun and they now know town's vigilante has no bullets Drazerk why are you Drazerk-y today but not yesterday? You know full well that we don't know whether you're actually a vigilante. You know that we don't know whether you have one shot or multiple shots, or anything. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU SHOOT BULLETS. This entire post is just you playing mind games, and I'm trying to figure out why you're doing that today, but weren't D1. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
So you think it makes more sense that either he randomly picked the name pbody for his partner, or he saw the pbody smurf and made up an elaborate story and exact role details, than it does him actually telling the truth? I don't know if you're just being ginormously dense, or scum. Because in no way does that scenario make sense to me. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote: @JH: So you think it makes more sense that either he randomly picked the name pbody for his partner, or he saw the pbody smurf and made up an elaborate story and exact role details, than it does him actually telling the truth? I don't know if you're just being ginormously dense, or scum. Because in no way does that scenario make sense to me. Suggesting there's only two possible options, one of which must be true, neither of which is pleasant, is a logical fallacy. It's like asking me when I started cheating on my wife. You're ignoring all kinds of random possible options, purely for the sake of discrediting me. You trying Gonzaw's style? You'll notice I don't give a rats fuck about what he tells me to vote either. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:49 Mattchew wrote: When's deadline 5 hours | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:51 JingleHell wrote: Suggesting there's only two possible options, one of which must be true, neither of which is pleasant, is a logical fallacy. It's like asking me when I started cheating on my wife. You're ignoring all kinds of random possible options, purely for the sake of discrediting me. You trying Gonzaw's style? You'll notice I don't give a rats fuck about what he tells me to vote either. I gave 4 options when I said why I believed him. That he is telling the truth just makes the most sense. More often than not, the simple answer is the correct one, in my experience. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:58 Keirathi wrote: I gave 4 options when I said why I believed him. That he is telling the truth just makes the most sense. More often than not, the simple answer is the correct one, in my experience. No, you gave ME two options. You said I must just be dense or scum, because I either believe he randomly made something up based on either X or Y. That ignores the possibility of safe claims, third party, or all kinds of stuff. Your "YOU MUST BE USELESS OR SCUM FOR DARING TO DISAGREE WITH ME" is an emotional reaction seeking and otherwise generally scummy tactic, but even so, I'm at least giving you the BOTD that you could just be absurdly egocentric. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I don't see snb, as scum in this situation, claiming a role that's partially confirmable. If p-body never flips or claims, then you're basically outing yourself as scum. If a scumbuddy claims p-body and one of you gets checked/flipped as scum, you just lost 2 players when you lost one D1. It'd be risky in any situation, it's incredibly risky when they've already lost iamperfection. Assuming a 3 or 4-man scum team, they'd be outing practically the whole team just to save snb who might not have even been lynched today. So for now, I think that claiming something that interacts with a specific other role is townie, when he could have left that part out, could have fakeclaimed something else if he were town, etc. If we don't see a p-body claim in a cycle or two, I'll be more worried about it, because there's the possibility that he was given this fakeclaim BECAUSE it seems so townie to claim a partially confirmable role (and then Greymist just doesn't put p-body in the game or something?). Guess we also have to watch out for one being scum and one being town, but if snb were scumATLAS he could have just claimed his role without the p-body thing and gotten super duper town cred from p-body for not outing another role's name. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
s&b could be third party (either allied with another third-party or hoping that mafia will support a fakeclaim). I don't think he's mafia (unless it's a mirror role with a town person, which is really unlikely) - trying to tie yourself to another person as mafia like that when you can't be sure of their existence is beyond dumb. No one has claimed p-body so he's not scum that's trying to confirm himself and his partner. I think we should stick with the nisani lynch. If there is a p-body they should probably claim tomorrow. If no one claims p-body then, s&b's probably third party trying to get mafia to help him out. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
His role is SO bad for town its stupid to keep him alive | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Also I don't like this keirathi / jingle hell recent minishitfight. Something feels weird about it to me. The whole thing just feels so unnecessary. | ||
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