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Not the fool, I have ample reason to find him town and you scum.
For him to be scum it's like, shit, it was a daring and fucking risky plan. Taking the time to bus kush even when DP had dropped his Vote on him. Being the only person to not jump in on this garbage wagon against me, he could have easily made a case on me. Effectively making decent cases against omni and SS.
His not voting on you was completely fucking weird. He was in fact around, and pretty much suggested a null lynch. If he was scum he could have easily, EASILY lynched you. His not voting on you has actually given us another day to vote. If you had died, being town, we would have been in a nasty mylo situation, which is quite lovely for scum. He could then easily push a lynch on SS and won. He would have to be REAL FUCKING ballsy to actually do this.
You, however, have been doing exactly as scum would.You can't realistically survive based on SS alone, and need to spread confusion on more confirmed players. You tried going for me, then you quickly realized your "slip" was so fucking bad that you quickly tried sending it off as a "trap". Then you caught SS in your "trap" but, as scum, you can't actually survive on his lynch alone. Hell, I even sniped you predicting this.
You said earlier you had a town read on me for my meta reads. Then you post a meta read that says I'm scum. Then you jump on this garbage wagon on me that makes 0 sense at all. The golden opportunity for scum.
So, what's more likely - SDM being a mastermind of effectively promoting the bus of kush, not putting town in a mylo situation, not jumping on the garbage wagon against me and fooling me, DP, and rest of town until day 3?
Or you, a top scum read since day one, with full cases against you, sheeping off of reads since day 1 jumping on my wagon, and right now behaving exactly as scum would?
You are getting lynched. No questions asked. It's not saying "you are so wrong about this" or "let's bet" or not giving up when you are clearly gonna get lynched that's gonna save you.
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On October 07 2012 18:33 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 14:45 Z-BosoN wrote:
lol, giving a tip are you? I don't get why you even play this game. You don't read, you don't think and worst of all, show no will to improve. How do you think "placing my vote on you and will go afk in the next 17h and nothing will change my mind lololol" is either A) townie or B) a good mindset to have?
I waited so long to do it because I got shot n1. Why would I claim, what does this info add? Scum wouldn't target me again in case I could have been SK (or thought so at the time, didn't realize there were no such thing in this setup). I was forced to claim because of a shit words-cannot-describe retard wagon on me. If you RC and let us know there is no medic, it helps town play immensely... for example, Djo claimed cop thinking there was a medic to save him. He died for it.
There being a medic does not make my claim fake. Medic could have saved DP AND I got shot. There not being a medic makes my claim 100% legitimate. If I claim, that does not mean there can't be a medic.
Djo wisely claimed because he was getting lynched. Massive shoutout to him, he played the game well, especially for his first time. I've had a town read on him during most of the game and ended up voting for him due to my frustration and confusion, forgetting the reasons why I thought him to be town.
So yea, me claiming earlier on just made me more likely to get nked, and would also tell scum there is no medic. If I wasn't forced to claim he'd actually be alive, because scum would think there is a medic for sure. See what I mean why my claim was fucking stupid?
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I read your bullet points and found they were pretty weak, but of course, I'm under the bias you are scum.
The only correct thing there is the assumption you are getting lynched.
What, you want me to switch just because you pulled a "I acknowledge I'm getting lynched, but I nevertheless I want to sacrifice myself and make sure SDM dies after me?"
I'm doing exactly what you said. Lynching you. Then if by some miracle you aren't scum I'll reevaluate and think outside the box for my last remaining night.
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You wouldn't have easily pushed me. Because it's so fucking obvious that my claim makes sense, especially after Djo died.
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Ok, his non-voting on you.
You say it's bullshit, to create confusion. Why would he do that? He could have put town in mylo and easily pressed a Shady Sands lynch. I mean, real fucking easily. I even said, and was strong about this, that one of you or shady are absolute scum. Now that you are still alive, we will have one more chance, and the last thing he wants is a 3-person mylo, due to the amount of info accumulated and the difficulty it is for scum to win like that.
I found the above is much more important than:
By keeping, SS and me(especially me) around, a mafia has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion it will create for town. He can get away with nks that will easily be blamed on me and SS until our alignments are cleared up. He can act on the confusion in the thread and hide behind not forcing a vote (despite the fact that he stated earlier that he wanted a last minute vote situation).
Also, this:
Ok let's summarize your reasons for me seeming town.
1) I was aggressive d1
2) Scum doesn't hang on that long faced with pages of accusation
Two pretty piss poor reasons to view me as town, especially when you say that I definitely have my scummy looking inconsistencies.
Also, based on your argument earlier, right now I am town. I am being extremely aggressive and active. I have the spotlight. And I am hanging on and contributing what I can before I get lynched while looking scummy. Contradiction no?
Bought you a ticket day two. Showed that you are either a) townie or b) scum that will take great effort into seeming townie.
It will not be the same in day 4.
I pushed alsn over you because aside from his scumminess, he was contributing almost nothing, passing off my cases as emotional and confirmation biased or whatever. If you were to be scum, it would show itself later on, granted how much you were posting.
I don't need to convince you why, but in my opinion, you have already shown this.
If by some ungodly chance you are indeed town, don't worry, I'll look long and hard at his filters. Up until now I haven't taken the liberty to look at his filter too harshly, because I didn't see the possibility of him being scum. I'll do this once you die, because I really don't feel like wasting my time based on a case that has a 95% chance to be bullshit from squirming scum.
1)If you are town, keep doing what you are doing until you die.
2)If you are scum, just give the fuck up. Even if you don't, you're still getting lynched, even if you acknowledge this fact and still do 1).
RSC, what do you make of all this? Show your face here please. You are too fucking lurky.
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lol, both of us = SS and and SDM
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debears, what do you think of RSC?
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Don't just say he's towny/scummy. Tell me why you think so.
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Well shit. That had to be the scummiest looking townie I've ever seen.
Guess it must be shady then.
SDM, do you think RSC can possibly be scum?
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Also, nicely done debears.
You put up with a lot of shit, and it worked in day2, I got a townie vibe from you defending yourself and pushing cases.
However, that went down the drain once you jumped into the wagon against me after you proclaimed me townie and later went into desperation mode =/
At least now you are in the afterlife, enjoying the sweet knowledge of who is the last scum, while I'm still a confused and frustrated townie.
See you in 24h =)
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So SDM, why should we lynch shady and not RSC?
I dunno, rereading the filters, I'm starting to have a bad townie feel on corrosion. However, RSC also gives me a town feel. And there's no way you are scum so wtf is going on lol
Find anything interesting in the filters?
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Because
a) Out of the three I'm most sure on him not being scum
b) even though I'm probably going to die, I'd like to know his reads in case he's the one to die
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Allrighty guys,
First off let me first say that all my "omg omg SDM is town" posts are bullshit. They've been bullshit ever since debears made a case on him (which, debears, to your happiness, I did read with townie eyes. Initially I did find it lacking, but after rereading it carefully, there are some points I agree with. More on that later).
I wanted to make this post right before the deadline, but I g2g right now 
So I'm going to do three things before I die.
1) DON'T LYNCH SHADY.
- Corrosion was scummy as fuck, I'll give him that. But I don't buy it being because he was scum. As a newbie scum, the first thing you do when a townie (DP) attacks your scummy friend (kush) is to try to attack the townie, give-up mid post and say your scum friend was suspicious? No. I don't think so.
- Corrosion left a huge good-bye post, which, to me, seemed genuine. He's also shown he was frustrated that he had trouble keeping up to the thread. Scum don't have trouble keeping up with the thread. Scum can just click a filter, make a case, defend himself, and be happy. Corrosion showed us he was reading by being fairly specific on all the players.
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- Shady Sands is playing his usual retarded meta. As scum, he is usually more careful when openly talking shit (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=270373). Of course, right now he's out there writing blogs and being afk, so that doesn't make me too sure.
- SS got a COP READ for crying out loud. Whatever odds he had of coming out as scum are now cut in half (assuming 1/2 && 1/2 godfather/framer). Odds are really really low here. No sir.
2) DON'T LYNCH RemedySC.
Not too much to say here. His posts feel pretty townie, and I just get a general town feel over him. His play is similar to his town meta, and I really really take him to be town.
3) LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF SONIC DEATH MONKEY
Oh boy this is tough for me to handle. But odds are against him. I've realized that everybody's reason for finding him townie are not so good. He took his stance on kush immediately after Stutters wrote his own destructive case on kush. He then called out a bunch of scum slips, and insisted that kush gets lynched. So, that would have been a good move for scum, going ahead and bussing his fellow player kush, who was basically beyond salvation at that point.
So that's not enough to clear him of being a bussing scum badass.
- Firstly, on debears last efforts against SDM. He made some great points, reading back on them. It doesn't make much sense for either scum or townie to fuck up and not give the lynching vote. This means he probably just went retard, whatever his alignment, Thankfully, it has given us enough time to consider our possibities and took us out of a possible mylo situation. Given the heat of the moment, I don't think this was intentional.
Anyways, his points on how SDM has some posts which feign contribution are really interesting.
SDM is also always calling people out, and always saying "reading through some filters". I've ignored this all game long, but in this last day, this fact has stood out to me. Today for me, as townie, is my last day on this fine earth. What do I go and do? Read the filters extensively and be all worried and shit. Yet he simply disappears. Says he's gonna go strong into some filters, only to post the garbage he's been posting lately. No sir, no sir at all. Seems like someone who's comfortable, who's just gonna go and hide behind the comfort I've given him by constantly denying him any suspicion.
I also really like debear's point on how kush talked differently to him. Everyone else he OMGUSed to death, but not SDM. Very weird.
- He also shows a clear tendency to not jump in straight away into a wagon. It seems to me like the clear tendency scum have to defend townies and such. This happened twice, both in my case against debears, and in my case agaisnt Alsn. SDM, while talking about some of the things he likes about the case, he immediately also says something saying he doesn't really buy it. Here is the post on my first debears case and then on my Alsn case. Note how difficult it is for him to simply jump in. In the debears case, it was understandable, as he was supposedly pushing kush. However, why on the alsn case? The way I worded my case makes it very clear that Alsn was being inconsistent on kush, and that was what my entire post was about. What the hell does he mean by "not agreeing with some of the things there"?
Of course, this was his scummy impulse of not trying to drawn suspicion. Later, he even confirms that he didn't actually have a well-thought out suspicion: Confirmation
- On kush, he called like three scumslips. This second is the second #big scumslip he has made. After these first two, he goes ahead and writes how kush is going full apeshit and tells kush to actually read if he's town. Later, points out another scumslip when kush says "to teach town a lesson". I mean, these last two are really not necessarily scumslips. SDM, however, oddly feels convinced enough.
- Debears point on his "overconfidence" is also pretty good. SDM in XXVII clearly lacked confidence. He's saying "tending to be overconfident" just as if he didn't already know what the result of the lynch would have been. He noted that he displayed a lot of confidence during he lynch.
- He makes his only noteworthy case against Omniscious, and sticks to it. SDM was clearly around in the thread, and only unvoted Omni when there was little time left. His non-voting was just a wasted opportunity. He also left this unexplained. He simply left, and much later said that it was because he was confused or whatever.
- He also has A LOT of posts that seem like he is scumhunting. "I urge you to answer my post", "Why have you gone AWOL", etc.
It's really hard to find anything in SDM's filter because he seems to take a lot of care to not appear inconsistent or wishy-washy. My opinion is that he's playing a hell of a game as scum. I'd choose him over shady for these reasons, especially the one that corrosion's posts are unlikely to come from a scummy mindset.
SDM actually did bus his only active partner day one. Observe, however, how his case on kush is 50 minutes away from stutter's case, so it wasn't an all-out bus. The timing of his case he must have felt that kush had no salvation, and was the correct thing to do as scum, and what has helped him survive this long.
If you read through SDM's filter with this in mind, you feel the contrary from what you do when you read RSC's filter, for example, where RSC's cases and posts feel a lot more genuine and townie than SDM.
Also, observe his cool reaction in this last day. THis is a huge HUGE giveaway. He says he's taking a look at some filters, and with 40 min before the deadline, he hasn't made any conclusions or whatever. He's not really scared of death, and probably feels like he has this game won. This is what I wanted to see when I kept insisting he was not scum. More or less confirmed my suspicions.
Lynch SDM.
game's on me
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Shady, don't form opinions and ignore the "town cred" he got from bussing his teammate, and see if his filter looks like someone who is taking lot's of care as to not appear inconsistent and clear on his reads. Make the assumption that he is scum and see if his filter makes sense.
If that doesn't work, listen to RSC. Ultimately he should decide whether it's you or SDM who will be lynched.
Anyways, leaving now. GG guys, hope I'm right about this, and hope you reach the same disturbing conclusion.
See you all in 48+ hours :D
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Looks like we aren't friends any more SDM 
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YES!
finally this game is over!
I got lazy at the end, because I really thought debears was scum. His flip-flop on me was just so weird. He had said he had a townie meta read on me, and then when he voted on me, using the same meta arguments, I was like WTF?
Perhaps I got a bit OMGUSy that I almost got lynched because of it. I also wouldn't be able to live with myself if debears was actually scum and barely escaped lynch twice.
Around five hours before his death I kinda realized he was going to pop townie and became extremely torn over shady/SDM.
I spent like 6-7 hours afterwards reading the thread a ton of times so I could get it right.
Indeed I look bad right now, debears put up with a TON of shit. Well played buddy, your death was not in vain 
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Stellar play from SDM as well. Had most of us so fucking confused during such a long time.
Looking forward to hear how he could have been caught earlier on. Was it his triple scum-slip detection while keeping his wishy-washyness on kush at the end?
Was there anything else that gave him away?
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But his no-lynch thing actually left us out of mylo.
I honestly just took it as a lapse in his brain.
I also didn't get the scum motivations for him saying "I wouldn't mind a no-lynch" in his post. When I read it, afterwards I just assumed that he went full retard for whatever reason. Why wouldn't a scum safely lynch his top read and make town go into mylo?
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On October 10 2012 09:34 Djodref wrote:I really enjoyed my first game so I would like to thanks everyone for playing, hosting and coaching. I'm a little disapointed that all my scum reads were wrong and that SDM picked me up as the cop during D3. I've learned that I shouldn't WIFOM myself into oblivion and I should scumhunt more. In this game, showing survival instinct was a good scum tell (and cop tell) but I didn't pay attention to it. I hope to improve for my next games and that I could play with you again Props to SDM for playing alone this whole time ^^ Props to debears for his patience when I was building pure WIFOM cases against him Thank you everyone !
All your scum reads were wrong? Dude, look at me!
I've successfully led lynches against 2 townies and a cop whilst thinking the scum was a town read all game long and not wanting to lynch the first scum in day one.
The only correct read I've made wasn't even mine.
Was good for me to realize that I was finding people scum for the wrong reasons, and what kind of things I should be looking for.
Gonna tackle Liquid City now ;D
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