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marvellosity
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 24 2012 06:02 Hapahauli wrote: Oh and I was roleblocked. Cool. How did Hapa get roleblocked if the roleblocker (Hey Palmar!) got lynched? | ||
iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:47 Bluelightz wrote: First up I guess, How did Hapa get roleblocked if the roleblocker (Hey Palmar!) got lynched? that was not encouraging | ||
iamperfection
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
1. I thought Palmar was scummy at night 1. 2. I was incredibly wishy-washy on the Ange lynch, and I still don't like it; However, you did have great points and that I couldn't deny. 3. I can't explain with as many words as you do why I don't like ange's lynch because I'm being ignored all the time. Everything she has done, I can see coming from a town PoV(in fact, she pretty much agreed with most of my own thoughts). Now, to say why this case is wrong. Lynch for info, Sheep Ange wagon, restate points that already have been said, vote ange. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him. iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player. As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me. This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive. IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either. The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions. And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess. I want to see what everyone has to say about ange. Lynching Ange will give information on IAM Yes, because if ange flips green then that means she had legit concerns about iamp and we should look at her posts from a town pov, and consider iamp's alignment based on what happened. If she flips red, then we are pretty sure iamp is green because scum won't push such an attack against another scum(at least not ange). + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 11:59 Zephirdd wrote: huuuh I guess I wasn't too straight with that post huh. ok. 1. The voting and the meta are no reasons to call IMP town. His latest posts during the night(questioning ange and stuff), however, are. 2. Ange is looking bad(aka likely scum) when reading all those cases you made. I think she has a decent chance to flip scum. I want to see what other players(Hiro, Bluez, Palmar, ...) have to say about Ange. Oh and I just realized I straight up contradicted myself on my post. So let me explain this. He was my main scum read, and when I tried to look up his filter in order to make a decent case, I changed my mind. I didn't change the first sentences of that post though. Sorry. Explanation of his shitty info post. OH YEAH I MADE A SHITTY POST LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT -.- I do realize when I make a shitty post, even if it takes a little while to do so. Then I explain it to be more transparent. What the hell is wrong? + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 12:50 Zephirdd wrote: iamperfection > attacked Ange marvellosity > attacked Ange Zephirdd > leans scum Mementoss (vigi) > attacked Ange bluelightz > never mentions Ange Ange777 < derp Palmar > null-near-scum >> scummy(quotes prplhz) > never mentions her specifically Hapahauli > attacked Ange HiroPro > no mention of Ange austinmcc > No solid read(1) > Makes some questions to her > leans scum > vote ange(full scum read?) mkfuba07 > talks alot about her, never gives a read(feels like he read her as town?) blazinghand > Included her on list of people to pressure into day 2(aka. reads as scum) prplhz > "Looking terrible", gut feeling that Ange is scum > hates Ange(has a scum read), "ange is tunneling for no reason" from his POV Her reads on players, since that should be pretty good to hold her accountable for the incoming discussions. iamperfection > questions iamperfection town status(just like I do for most of the time), has some good questions in fact. But only questions. > leaning scum marvellosity > dismiss a case versus marv > "null/town" > reconsiders null/town read after palmar's case(now null/scum? not clear) Zephirdd > NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN Mementoss > "Does not follow up his questions" > "makes himself scummy" bluelightz > asks a question. Not a single fuck. Ange777 Palmar > does not buy palmar being town early into the game > does not like palmar's style > FUCKING ZERO READ ON PALMAR prplhz > 'prplhz is far more scummy' > makes a whole case > makes another case(????) > somewhat completely focused on prplhz being scum all day long never backing off of it Hapahauli > leaning town mkfuba07 > "I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now." AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN EITHER HiroPro > calls him semi-lurker. That's it blazinghand > leaning town austinmcc > does not think he is scum > actively defends him Hapa is supposed to be her town read and Palmar her small scum read, why asking both to comment on said case? idk when I read this it felt really weird My veredict: He has almost nothing to be held accountable of. A lot of "leaning", "semi" and non committed stuff. I mean, you can commit and back off something, but being so wishy-washy for so much is weird. The only thing to hold her accountable for is her read on prplhz - which has been discussed on the previous pages. Somehow, while skimming through her filter(I mostly ctrl+F'd each player) she was feeling very active - why is it that I have little memory of her? I *think* I remember her looking good/contributing, but nothing ever would pick my eye on his play. However, while reading now, there were some passages that felt so fucking weird. Like the post I quote above. As I said, I need time to sip this in. Her actions on day 1 were kinda consistent to a town player, but it's not impossible for a scum player to do it. The interactions above and what people say from now on *should* help me arrive somewhere. I'll keep my instance that she is not looking good at all. Restates what I said in my case, in pretty format. This is pretty alright post but should have been posted before his vote. It seems like he realized that he didn't give a good enough reason for voting ange then writes this. My reason to vote ange was that I agreed with what other people said. I stated that ange looked scummy on two posts and not voting her would be silly. This info post was done in order to create something to hold on while we would talk to ange(btw where is she?). It wasn't a reason to vote her. Step 2: After saying Ange has a decent chance to flip scum, gets really fucking confident about Palmar being scum, if ange does anything bad to defend herself lynch her. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:00 Zephirdd wrote: Hmm I am way more confident on Palmar being scum than on Ange. I mean you guys brought some pretty good points etc yadda yadda, but fuck he is being useless. "Hurr that's a bad lynch". "Why?" "Fuck you thats why" It's simple. We lynch Palmar. Unless he refuses to show us solid arguments(which he IS capable of showing, as marv quoted earlier), then he dies. No point leaving him alive. think of this post: If this was to be posted from a townie perspective, it's waay too retarded and a huge confirmation-bias kind of post for town Palmar to make. ##unvote ##vote Palmar Hes really confident about Palmar being scum. But the tone of this post just seems to be FUCK PALMAR lynch him hes useless. But he leaves him an out by saying, unless he shows us some solid arguements. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote: Well, from 06:00KST there is a high chance I'll be inactive until close to the deadline. Maybe I'll be able to read stuff and bring in a post or two, but nothing really big(like compiling a list of interactions like I did with ange). imp's post on ange is pretty incriminating. If Ange comes back and say ANYTHING emotional in order to defend herself, lynch her. Seriously I don't want to be caught into that trap again(prplhz did that once) I'll probably be able to change my vote prior to the deadline so don't worry. I want Palmar dead still, because he isn't proving to be who he is. Him having a town read says jack shit when his scum reads are unexplained. Wait what, we go from, Palmar defenitely scum, kill him to if Ange is emotional in her defense kill her. How does this switch of certainty make sense. Also, saying this makes no sense, shes obviously going to read it, and not be emotional in her defense. Oh yeah, I'll switch out of an almost full lynch on Ange into the second vote on terrible Palmar. I'm a fucking scum genius. hint hint http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=43#848 Also I stated a few times prior to the day that if Palmar didn't step up his play, I'd totally kill him. He didn't step up his play. I went for his throat. The emotional part is to a) force Ange to not appeal to emotion if she is scum and b) to remember everyone that appealing to emotion is a scummy move. Think of prplhz on NMM2, where he saved his ass with a cop claim and some appeal. She never tried to appeal to emotion as far as I'm concerned. Step 3: The Hiro switch, then back to Palmar. After being so fucking confident on Palmar why would he even consider switching to Hiro. He never once mentioned Hiro being scum in day 2. It seems like hes just giving himself an out to get off scum Palmar the first time he sees the chance. He even said, I don't even know why we are voting Hiro im just sheeping. Wouldn't town Zephridd as confident as he seemed in his Palmar post, once he knew their were 4 people available for vote switch, wouldn't he try to switch them onto to Palmar. His main scum read? He didn't even attempt to get people to switch onto Palmar. Yet in the end, he still gets town cred for lynching scum, and being on scum before the bandwagon was going to happen. It was pretty obvious that this needed to be done as mafia as if Palmar didn't get lynched today, it was coming day 3 almost for sure. Trying to get a bit of extra town cred after the fact. When really Zeph just stated, hey I think palmar is scum without any push on it or trying to convince anyone. When really Marv tried to do all the push work on Palmars lynch. Other than that, Zephridd has been primarily flying under the radar, and hasn't really pushed any of his reads. He made a day 1 case on hapa on wrong evidence and after trying to justify it, quickly fell off his read, then sheeped. HiroHiro Looking back on it, hiros switch on Palmar is really weird. But he wasn't even around and no one knew he was around. So he didn't have to switch on Palmar and doesn't really make sense from a mafia perspective. Also, I don't think he would do it for town cred if he is going to come out last minute with a post like this: How much town cred would a bus like this really give. I switched to Hiro because Hapahauli asked us to. I didn't remember why people wanted to lynch hiro(prior to day3, he just looked like a lurker). when I realized hapa's wish wasn't going to happen, I jumped back into Palmar. I even stated that I was basically sheeping. Hiro has been playing terribly bad day 3 and if he flips town I'll probably eat a pony(because I don't have a hat); Oh and btw Other than that, Zephridd has been primarily flying under the radar, and hasn't really pushed any of his reads. He made a day 1 case on hapa on wrong evidence and after trying to justify it, quickly fell off his read, then sheeped. maybe I have trouble pushing my reads. maybe I am flying under the radar because you let me fly under the radar. I've been screaming that you guys ask me some fucking questions so I can get a start and look into something specific. I tried to push iamp, but then I didn't think he was scum anymore(which leads to my weirdass cases day2); I tried to push hapa but then I realized it was a stupid case. I pushed Palmar when I was hungover and marv had said everything he had to say. I don't like the Ange lynch. I don't want to lynch Bluelightz. Hiropro is set to be lynched at this point, and there should be no need to push him further. 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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Yeah I knew I should've read the post's around that one I guess. Anyway on Ange, On September 23 2012 02:05 Ange777 wrote: Someone asked for my reads. I can't elaborate them in detail as I really don't have much time this weekend but if you let me survive I am more than willing to explain them in detail. iamperfection > still leaning scum marvellosity > null/town Zephirdd > scummy Mementoss (vigi) > scummy semi-confirmed town bluelightz > lurker/sheeper > null/scummy Palmar > scum Hapahauli > town HiroPro > lurker > null/scummy austinmcc > town Ange promises to explain them in detail if he survives, Ange survived, but has she explained them in detail? nope, from reading Ange's filter this is what keeps me from just throwing a full blown town read on him. | ||
Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Because marvellosity claimed jailer. Are you seriously attacking the confirmed mason? >_> | ||
Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:52 Zephirdd wrote: Because marvellosity claimed jailer. Are you seriously attacking the confirmed mason? >_> Didn't read the thread again >_< | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Tell me, why aren't you reading the thread? | ||
Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:55 marvellosity wrote: Tell me, why aren't you reading the thread? (I read his filter, but not the post's surrounding the post.) | ||
marvellosity
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
First, on Memen, because of his vigi claim, that today there was only 1 KP sent, and because he has been actively scumhunting (Making a case on Zeph), this read may change if we see 2 KP later on. Second, on Zeph I think he's town as well for posting a lot of content, and actively scumhunting as well like Mementoss, actually, thinking about it, Zeph is more townie then Memen. | ||
Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote: That wasn't the question. Why haven't you been reading the thread? I have been reading the thread, to be honest, Ive been lurking while reading the thread, bringing the occasional X is scum because of Y and Z. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:58 Bluelightz wrote: I have been reading the thread, to be honest, Ive been lurking while reading the thread, bringing the occasional X is scum because of Y and Z. If you had been reading the thread, there is no way at all you would have missed that I claimed Jailkeeper. How did you miss it if you've been reading the thread? | ||
Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:58 Bluelightz wrote: I have been reading the thread, to be honest, Ive been lurking while reading the thread, bringing the occasional X is scum because of Y and Z. Clarification = I have read the thread, But I'm not actively posting in the thread, and not paying enough attention while reading filters. | ||
Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote: If you had been reading the thread, there is no way at all you would have missed that I claimed Jailkeeper. How did you miss it if you've been reading the thread? I forgot, plain and simple. | ||
marvellosity
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On September 24 2012 23:52 Zephirdd wrote: Because marvellosity claimed jailer. Are you seriously attacking the confirmed mason? >_> uh no lol | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Why are you lying to me? | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Because you don't forget that someone claimed Jailkeeper if you'd actually read it. Tell me what's going on without trying to hide please. | ||
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