Rockband Mini Mafia - Page 78

On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote:
As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him.

iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player.

As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me.

This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive.

IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either.

The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions.

And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess.

I want to see what everyone has to say about ange.

On September 21 2012 11:59 Zephirdd wrote:
huuuh I guess I wasn't too straight with that post huh.

ok.

1. The voting and the meta are no reasons to call IMP town. His latest posts during the night(questioning ange and stuff), however, are.

2. Ange is looking bad(aka likely scum) when reading all those cases you made. I think she has a decent chance to flip scum.

I want to see what other players(Hiro, Bluez, Palmar, ...) have to say about Ange.

Oh and I just realized I straight up contradicted myself on my post.



So let me explain this. He was my main scum read, and when I tried to look up his filter in order to make a decent case, I changed my mind. I didn't change the first sentences of that post though. Sorry.

On September 21 2012 12:50 Zephirdd wrote:
iamperfection > attacked Ange
marvellosity > attacked Ange
Zephirdd > leans scum
Mementoss (vigi) > attacked Ange
bluelightz > never mentions Ange
Ange777 < derp
Palmar > null-near-scum >> scummy(quotes prplhz) > never mentions her specifically
Hapahauli > attacked Ange
HiroPro > no mention of Ange
austinmcc > No solid read(1) > Makes some questions to her > leans scum > vote ange(full scum read?)


mkfuba07 > talks alot about her, never gives a read(feels like he read her as town?)
blazinghand > Included her on list of people to pressure into day 2(aka. reads as scum)
prplhz > "Looking terrible", gut feeling that Ange is scum > hates Ange(has a scum read), "ange is tunneling for no reason" from his POV

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Her reads on players, since that should be pretty good to hold her accountable for the incoming discussions.

iamperfection > questions iamperfection town status(just like I do for most of the time), has some good questions in fact. But only questions. > leaning scum

marvellosity > dismiss a case versus marv > "null/town" > reconsiders null/town read after palmar's case(now null/scum? not clear)

Zephirdd > NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN

Mementoss > "Does not follow up his questions" > "makes himself scummy"

bluelightz > asks a question. Not a single fuck.

Ange777

Palmar > does not buy palmar being town early into the game > does not like palmar's style > FUCKING ZERO READ ON PALMAR

prplhz > 'prplhz is far more scummy' > makes a whole case > makes another case(????) > somewhat completely focused on prplhz being scum all day long never backing off of it

Hapahauli > leaning town

mkfuba07 > "I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now." AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN EITHER

HiroPro > calls him semi-lurker. That's it

blazinghand > leaning town

austinmcc > does not think he is scum > actively defends him


Hapa is supposed to be her town read and Palmar her small scum read, why asking both to comment on said case? idk when I read this it felt really weird

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My veredict:
He has almost nothing to be held accountable of. A lot of "leaning", "semi" and non committed stuff. I mean, you can commit and back off something, but being so wishy-washy for so much is weird. The only thing to hold her accountable for is her read on prplhz - which has been discussed on the previous pages.

Somehow, while skimming through her filter(I mostly ctrl+F'd each player) she was feeling very active - why is it that I have little memory of her? I *think* I remember her looking good/contributing, but nothing ever would pick my eye on his play.

However, while reading now, there were some passages that felt so fucking weird. Like the post I quote above. As I said, I need time to sip this in. Her actions on day 1 were kinda consistent to a town player, but it's not impossible for a scum player to do it.

The interactions above and what people say from now on *should* help me arrive somewhere. I'll keep my instance that she is not looking good at all.

On September 22 2012 00:00 Zephirdd wrote:
Hmm I am way more confident on Palmar being scum than on Ange. I mean you guys brought some pretty good points etc yadda yadda, but fuck he is being useless. "Hurr that's a bad lynch". "Why?" "Fuck you thats why"

It's simple. We lynch Palmar. Unless he refuses to show us solid arguments(which he IS capable of showing, as marv quoted earlier), then he dies. No point leaving him alive.

think of this post:


If this was to be posted from a townie perspective, it's waay too retarded and a huge confirmation-bias kind of post for town Palmar to make.

##unvote
##vote Palmar

On September 22 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, from 06:00KST there is a high chance I'll be inactive until close to the deadline. Maybe I'll be able to read stuff and bring in a post or two, but nothing really big(like compiling a list of interactions like I did with ange). imp's post on ange is pretty incriminating. If Ange comes back and say ANYTHING emotional in order to defend herself, lynch her. Seriously I don't want to be caught into that trap again(prplhz did that once)

I'll probably be able to change my vote prior to the deadline so don't worry. I want Palmar dead still, because he isn't proving to be who he is. Him having a town read says jack shit when his scum reads are unexplained.