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Okay, I was around reading the thread for the last 30-40 minutes before lynch time. I honestly didn't know what I could say to have an impact on the vote. It was clear to me that drazak was going to be lynched, and I didn't see any way for me to change that.
I have been adamant about the lurker policy, and defended cubu against kush in this post
On September 20 2012 04:01 RemedySC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:The lynch votes are amassing for sharrant. Lynching someone active d1 almost always results in lynching a townie! Can i present an alternative bandwagon for the people who think he's probably town: CUBU... He is winning the race for biggest lurker. At least if he is town we can lynch and not feel so bad if he flips green. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:25 Cubu wrote:
Oh and sorry for lurking, but i am really busy with assignments. I gotta write four 2k word essays by next week. So basically he is saying that he will continue to lurk throughout the whole game. Until next week is a long time. We have 3 options. 1 We lynch him now as a policy lynch. 2 We let him live and continue to argue lurker policy until we lynch him. 3 We ignore him and just rely on the 75% chance he is town. Our read of sharrant will get better. Our read of drazak will remain null. I'm unvoting debears but I still suspect him. Just that bandwagon isn't happening anymore and I would rather lynch a lurker anyway. ##unvote debears
##vote cubu Why so obsessed with Cubu? Unless you are mafia and know he would be an easy town to get rid of quickly. You don't even seem to consider whether he is town or scum. Your only reason to lynch him is that he is lurking. Also why would the town feel less badly about Cubu turning up green than sharrant? Everyone else seems to have a good indication that he is mafia. Are you trying to protect him? Does any one else have an opinion on Kush's motives?
Cubu's role is obviously proven town now.
On September 21 2012 04:15 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Remedy why was your vote so uselessly parked on kush? You were another one of the poeple who jumped in after the mislynch expressing how horrible it was, yet you weren't around during the final clusterfuck. At the beginning of the game you said you have the lynch day off work and you'll be around a lot during that, what happened to that? Going through your filter right now and this looks spretty scummy: On September 19 2012 11:51 RemedySC wrote:Kush, this post stood out to me also. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 07:21 debears wrote: Why are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak. Debears posts do seem to link him and Thrawn, and if drazak is a part of this trio, than this post could just be another defense for his said teammate. No offense to kush but kush's scumteam theory was completely awful. What I see is you coming in and sheeping onto an insubstantial case in order to get a mislynch on me, drazak and (maybe) debears. That scumteam idea is such a weak argument I find it hard to believe a town player would honestly use it. Which leads me to wonder why kush brough it up in the first place, but I'm still unsure of kush because I have a hard time serparating crazy scum things he could have said with crazy town things he always said in previous games.
I said it didn't turn out too great, and guess what, it didn't.
That trio comment was at a time when debears was wierdly into defending you, and in my mind I thought Kush had a reasonable post.
On September 21 2012 04:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
Remedy what are your scumreads atm?
My biggest read was on Kush.
On September 20 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote:
im done for tonight goodbye. and a special fuck you to thrawn for accusing me for voting for drazak.
@ thrawn you are the one who pushed a lynch on the active, obviously town, mason. you are the one who right after said it might still be a good idea to lynch cubu. you are the one who shoudl feel bad. goodnight.
This post seemed very emotional. Could be he is town and he just feels very bad for the mislynch, or he is mafia and is getting flustered with the recent accusations. I am leaning towards the latter.
But onto a different topic.
Why, Thrawn, does it not seem suspicious that you kept on about Sharrant even after he had a very reasonable claim. Looked like to me you were trying to find something to exploit to restart the bandwagon against him.
I have more, and I will write that in another post.
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On September 21 2012 07:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kush those points againt me are either meaningless or huge misrepresentations of what actually happened. I'll post my response in a bit. You either haven't grasped the logic of a lot of my cases (specifically the remedy which till now you'e ignored my request for you to give a read on him) or you're scum.
Kush actually did provide his read.
On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read."
Your two main arguments against him.
1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion.
I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell.
2 His useless vote for me.
I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really.
He didn't believe sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu.in the
Looks like you're digging, and avoiding the accusations against you.
##FOS Thrawn
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This post by Thrawn to me screams mafia if you think of drazak as a town.
On September 18 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 13:49 drazak wrote:
I'm already accused of being trashy town? Really Kush? Man, you're prejudiced right off the bat. I know you can post while you're at work and stuff, but I can't post in class and I can't post when I'm tutoring people. If you'd like I can sleep-post and it'll be really bad. Sorry if my posts last game weren't up to your posting standard kush.
For the record, I might not post consistently at different times, and maybe I'll push agressively against someone, my reasons will usually be good. I'd ask that people use their own logic after reading my posts, look at the evidence provided and use your logic. Last game we had a lot of people not thinking for themselves, I'll be going to bed soon so don't expect another post from me. I'll probably post in the morning, and I think I'll post before tutoring, but I don't think I'll be posting until maybe this time tomorrow again after that. My thoughts while reading this: "man this guy is going out of his way to defend himself when there's no need to" And that's a scum trait....so drazak, I'm watching you buddy. I don't see why you'd ask everyone to be fair and "use their own logic" and "look at evidence" when reading your future posts... obviously those things are what everyone is trying to do. It looks a little suspicious that you're already defending criticisms of your posts that haven't even happened yet. If it's all because kush pissed you off then too bad you should ignore that, he does it from time to time.
Why get worked up over this post by drazak, when he was replying to Kush? He is very capable of defending himself.
On September 19 2012 05:53 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:51 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn you say I made a straight up lie and that's not an accusation I take lightly.
if anything it was an exaggeration and not a lie.
I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing my scumteam theories, because while I think they help in looking for cases, they do not constitute a case.
but I don't like being called a liar so here goes.
drazak is connected by saying killing is more suspicious than debears. he says they can't both be mafia so therefore debears isn't mafia. That is the classic mafia defense..defending a teammate by attacking the attacker.
and you have defended debears.
So that was the basis for that comment. Is it a real case against you? no. Is it a lie though? also no. Uh, saying that drazak and I defended each other is a lie. In fact it's the exact opposite of the truth.
Scum slip? That sentence totally contradicts itself.
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On September 21 2012 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
for the record, I got a pm from marv saying I was roleblocked
What are you implying with this post?
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Okay, I don't think mafia got lucky in killing a blue.
Looks like other than the Sharrant read, Sonic's biggest read was Atreides-, Debears, and Killing.
All three have had good arguments made against them. Possibly they they thought Sonic might have more info.
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EBWOP - I mean I think Mafia got lucky that Sonic was a blue.
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Thrawn, you haven't replied to a single post I made about you. Do you have a response to any of my concerns?
Also, was that role block from mafia?
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You know, I could see sonic role blocking you. His power also allows him to save someone, if his strongest town read was you, then he would use it on you.
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Just re-read this post and want to address it.
On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read."
Your two main arguments against him.
1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion.
I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell.
2 His useless vote for me.
I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really.
He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu.
The scumteam thing is not about stupidity = scum, it's about him going along with a a dumb idea that will end up lynching at least 2 confirmed town.
I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards.
On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
Judging by your last post I don't think you think I'm town but that has nothing to do with my personal read on him because I know my alignment .
Of course you know your alignment. Why do you even have to say that.
On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
And his vote for you accomplishes nothing at all. There was absolutely no way you were getting lynched so even if he was town and didn't want to lynch a lurker why wouldn't he pick his scummiest read out of the people that could possibly have been lynched?
I made my case against Kush, that is why I voted for him. I had no one I felt as confident about to vote against. I'm not going to just bandwagon onto someone unless I have good evidence.
On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
He was also absent during all the confusion near vote deadline, and came in after the mislynch talking about how it was dumb. That looks scummy because he wasn't around during the confusion to help town out, yet he is there 9 minutes afterwards talking about how the lynch didn't go well.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never once said it was dumb. I stated the obvious and said it didn't go too well. Big deal? Also I mention in another post what I was doing near lynch time. Read it.
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Good night every one.
Sleep is callling.
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Okay, too move the conversation towards the lurkers, since they haven't been active d2.
My scummiest read is on stutters, mainly because of this post.
On September 20 2012 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
Killing or any other lurker is a better lynch than Sharrant at this point for two main reasons (IMO):
1) Sharrant is active. If he is scum it will reveal itself over time, while if we go into lategame with a bunch of lurkers we're boned in lylo.
2)You guys are painting the SK idea as way too scummy imo. Look at Kush's early posts. Self-survival is usually indicative of a power-role or scum. If he's a blue he wouldn't have so obviously painted a target on himself. If he's scum it seems to reason he wouldn't paint such a big target on himself. Given the option between SK and VT, SK makes a hell of a lot more sense.
I don't necessarily agree with that conclusion but it makes sense and he's putting himself out there on that read and gives us even more of substance to hold him accountable for.
Looking at the lurkers:
Drazak: Would like to see some more from him before the lynch. Nowhere near the least active and he has at least thrown out questions. Wouldn't be our best lynch target imo.
KillingTime has been actively lurking. He has 11 posts during D1. He has only one post with any real content. This is similar to his town play in XXVI but his reads in this have all been agreeing with other people while in XXVI his reads were more based on his observations.
Really I'd like to see a lynch on Cubu.
Regardless of if Cubu is scum or town, Cubu needs to die. For anyone who didn't play in NMMXXVI check his filter there (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923&user=153930). 9 posts before he was lynched on day 2. We let him live Day 1 with the hopes his play would improve and it didn't as VT. After we wasted a lynch on him D2 we put ourselves in mylo. We shouldn't let that happen again when we can easily avoid it. Our day 2 lynch candidate will be a much stronger one than our D1 if we're lynching someone active and Cubu has shown no intentions of actually playing.
##Vote Cubu
In this post he mentions three confirmed town. KillingTime I am iffy on, and I'll take a closer look at his posts. I think that if Killing is town though, than this post by Stutters is very scummy.
He even goes as far to say that even if Cubu is town he needs to die. Like really?
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On September 22 2012 00:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Ah, so Sharrant got JK'd.
Yes, that MUST have been SDM. Scum RB'd thrawn then.
Too bad I already gave SDM credit for not JK'ing Sharrant (or Sharky), now it turns out he did :/
Not necessarily. We could have another roleblocker who is town in the ugly prostitute.
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That is assuming Thrawn is town. If he was mafia, a town would roleblock him so he couldn't perform a night action.
Why are you defending him with bad logic?
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Also this was rethos's first game ever.
Before playing mafia, he would be excited to try it out. Maybe he couldn't get into though.
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I'm posting this from my phone. Once I get home I'll attempt to detail my posts more.
But I wanted see what people thoughts were on Stutters.
On September 22 2012 07:30 Stutters695 wrote:
I thought I would be on my pc all day but I got a job offer in a different town. I'll try to check in and do some phone posts but I won't be 100% here until Sunday night/Monday during the day.
So you won't be around much until after the d2 lynch? This is looking a bit like an out so he doesn't have to contribute much today and can continue lurking. It could be true, but as someone else said( i apologize, i forget who did and im on my phone) this is the second time you posted soon after being called out.
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On September 22 2012 00:42 RemedySC wrote:
That is assuming Thrawn is town. If he was mafia, a town would roleblock him so he couldn't perform a night action.
Why are you defending him with bad logic?
On September 22 2012 01:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Disclaimer: I am not done with reading the thread and respective filters
Right now, I have deep suspicions of Remedy. No sure if they will stand, but I think they may.
I'd also be down for lynching Stutters, Killing or Atreides, but all of them are mostly policy about lurking/non-conributing, and less about actual scumreads.
I do think, however, that getting rid of lurkers one way or the other is absolutely necessary looking towards MYLO/LYLO. If there's only 1 or 2 lurkers, that could be easily solved with a vig shot, but we have 3 (4 counting the late rethos), and possibly no Vig at all. Which sucks.
I need to look more into debears, so I'd like to withhold judgement for now, but I'll bring him up if I see something suspicious.
Sorry to be "that guy", but I'll come back to this later.
Dandel, you posted this 28 minutes after I called you out for bad logic. Previous to this you only mentioned me because there was a mistake in someone calling me Regent. You never responded to my question and are instead trying to get the attention off yourself.
Did I hit a nerve? You seem to really want me gone now.
My posts may be shitty and lack content, but i have always been pro-town. I could have easily gone after drazak or Cubu Day 1, but instead I refused to vote on Cubu, and I didn't know what to think on the Drazak situation. That is why I didn't post with 45 minutes remaining day 1. I didn't think i could say anything that would make a difference when Lynch time was so close.
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You have my sword.
##vote Stutters
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I didn't pick who I accused based on how it makes me look, I picked you because you were the one I was focusing on. I didn't want to let up on you until I could think that you are either town or mafia. At that time I was almost 100% certain that you were scum. Recently my opinion on that has changed, and you are looking a lot more like town.
What I was saying with that cubu vs drazak post is that if I were mafia, wouldn't I have taken the opportunity to go after one of them. I had no reason to believe Cubu was mafia, and with Drazak I thought it could go either way.
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On September 23 2012 05:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
remedy, a lot of the points brought up against you boil down to this:
you don't seem to care too much about who gets lynched... most especially when the lynch candidates were mostly all confirmed towns (drazak and the masons)
No, I did care. I pushed for Kush to be voted over Cubu, because I there was at least a few people with cases against him on D1. Cubu had no reason to be voted for D1.
On September 23 2012 06:39 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hm, Ninja'd
Well, I think Remedy is scum.
I even made a case on him, so pls no hate for voteswitching, kk?
##unvote
##vote Remedy
Your case was adequately addressed by Kush. Also one reason why I don't think Kush is scum anymore. I am town, why would Kush frequently defend me if he was scum?
On September 23 2012 06:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I need an new argument as you both seem equally scum and I need to convince myself one way or the other.
Well, I didn't really have a case against rethos until he flipped out. Since he was replaced Dandel (while a little riled in places) has posted often and does have town motivations behind this. (although is a little spastic with his votes) remedy has a more solid case behind if we ignore the rethos flip out.
##unvote
##vote Remedy
What is better about my case? I know there isn't much time left now, but really, Dandel jumped on me half an hour after I called him out on his logic. He even says -
On September 23 2012 06:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
For the record, currently my biggest scumread is actually debears.
But that might not matter, because the flip could change that easily.
There has been a lot of talk about what will happen if I flip scum, but no one has really mentioned what will happen when I flip town, and you know what? I will be flipping town.
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