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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
September 10 2012 22:10 GMT
#681
Not that anyone has mentioned it yet, but let's keep any discussion of bans / modkills until the postgame.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 10 2012 22:11 GMT
#682
hmm

I wonder if we shouldn't kill BL first then
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
September 10 2012 22:18 GMT
#683
Also, because I think it's a good idea, I'll throw my town reads.

Marvellosity - I think he is town because of today's fight. Every time he deflected an argument of mine, my head told me "bitch is trying to deceive me" but upon thinking further and upon his reaction to my claim, I believe he is town. My case wasn't as strong as I initally thought, and he has been putting effort and emotion that looks like his town self.

Keirathi - he was roleblocked and took an active part on day 2 discussion. He also helped me in making sense today.

Dirkzor - He's in the middle of the list because he was also active during today(although less than keirathi) and because he didn't have a pile of shit as a case. I have a little bug behind my ear with this guy because his case did deflect bluelightz' lynch and killed a townie too, but I don't think it is really that much of an indication to be honest because he wasn't entirely wrong on his case and the situation warranted it.

prplhz - he made a case on Bluelightz during the night and then never voted for his own scum read nor he made any effort to push his case during the day. To me, he felt like he was very satisfied with the way day 2 was rolling, and he made a really terrible case out of pure bussing.

Bluelightz - Red. Seriously. Null read into scum read day 1 without explaining it, going "I told you so" after risen's lynch, and generally inactive and bad during today. Bluelightz at least tries to make sense of stuff once in a while, and we never saw his signature list-of-all-town-reads.

So, at this point, I'm willing to believe a bluelightz lynch followed by a prplhz lynch will net us the win.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 10 2012 23:09 GMT
#684
yeah, the common thing between prplhz and Dirkzor is BL, so we should lynch him first.

Will try to make myself re-read everything before the night is up.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#685
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 11 2012 03:38 GMT
#686
I've been staring at this thread for like 2 hours (with an occasional IRC break) since I got home trying to make some sense of it.

Some things I noticed: Bluelightz and prplhz had basically no interactions with each other until n1, then suddenly prplhz has a fully fleshed out. Except, once the day starts, prplhz is MIA (and therefore isn't voting BL) for basically the whole day, and then hops onboard the v7 lynch at the end. Meanwhile, BL *still* hasn't given an opinion about prplhz. His only mention of him at all was to respond to prplhz's case. Early on in the Risen debacle, he gave Risen a public town read, but didn't mention anything about the prplhz.

I'm pretty sure we have our scumteam here, but Dirkzor does complicate things. I basically have a completely null read on him. I know that he's been here and posting, but nothing he has said has ever really stood out or been memorable. Reading back over today, he flat-out defend BL earlier in the day, and then after the Zeph claim and we start meandering around: 1) i called out vader 2) Zeph called out BL 3) marv agrees with zeph that BL is scummy, and has a town read on vader 4) Zeph votes for BL 5) Dirk steps in with a big case on vader, and all the conversation about BL stops.

@marv, Zeph: I still think prplhz is the scummiest person, and I'm not really sure why both of you have deemed BL to be scummier. BL does seem to have links to prplhz AND Dirk, so I guess I can kind of see your reasoning and if you wanted to lynch BL first i could consolidate there, but it feels "wrong" not to be voting my scummiest read.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
September 11 2012 03:43 GMT
#687
oh and by the way, if(by 'if' i mean 'when') prplhz flips scum, I'll fucking yell at everyone and say that I called it with the kenpachi-rule-extended which will from now on be known as the Zephirdd Rule.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 06:19 GMT
#688
Hey Zephirdd who gives a shit who I voted for? It was pretty obvious who I wanted to lynch yesterday and I pushed that lynch and asked people if they'd support it or not and mostly people just said "no" for no discernible reason. Who gives a shit if I voted for him or not when my intention and motivation was obvious? You are grabbing on to a dumb administrative detail and trying to make a case out of it.

I thought about voting with my case but that was during the night so I didn't and I just never came around to it during the day because who gives a shit. No one.

I think marvellosity was being really merciful when he described this thought process of yours as "a bit of a stretch".
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 06:28 GMT
#689
I'm not even going to comment on the Kenpachi Rule thing because we went over that already and my brain cells writhed in agony the entire time.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 08:16 GMT
#690
From your reasoning it looks like you just want your rule to be correct and that's why you think I'm scum. I can't see anything else to it. Not gonna spend any more time on it though because you're likely townie, it's just baffling how bad your case is.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 08:29 GMT
#691
Hey Keirathi why am I scum? You want to lynch me, but you also want to lynch the guy I have been pushing for days.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
September 11 2012 08:39 GMT
#692
I can get behind a BL lynch but I would much rather lynch prplhz. The reason for me to go against a BL lynch earlier was that it was to easy ot get him lynched. BL rarely post more then a few times a day and thus would not gives us anything to work with and i don't find him too scummy this game.

Now at lylo that doesn't really work anymore since we need to get the mafiosos.

I still think prplhz is the most scummy with BL/marv/kei coming behind (in that order). I didn't add zephirdd because he will most likely die. If he doesn't I'll think about then when it happens.

On September 11 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
##Vote vaderseven

I can get on board this lynch, thought he was kind of weird day1 and with no counter claim yet it looks like Zephirdd is actually a cop.

I have no idea why people are hating on the Bluelightz lynch so much though.

This got posted 30 min before deadline.

Right after that post he is asked several questions here (zephirdd) and here (me)

He is clearly reading the thread because he made a follow up to marvs response to Zephirdd's case/post on prplhz just stating:
On September 11 2012 06:49 prplhz wrote:
"a bit"

lol

Why not repsond to the questions asked?
Prplhz havent willingly given up any reads this game. He was onto Risen day 1. Then changed to Keir when the momentum changed. He than later changed back to Risen with this:

On September 07 2012 05:05 prplhz wrote:
Yea okay.

marvellosity points out that Risen does a scumslip. This scumslip isn't just for Risen though, it also implicates marvellosity as well. Bussing requires two scum, not one. marvellosity realizes that if Risen is lynched it is only a matter of time before someone figures this out and so he backs off. His backing off is also weird, it's allegedly because the lynch gained momentum but he doesn't say this before he is called out, he just says "I have my reasons but I'm not going to explain" and then the explanation is like, 10 words long. I don't like this one bit and I'd rather lynch Risen and then we can talk about marvellosity tomorrow.

##Vote Risen

Consider how much Risen had written in the beginning and that is the best reason prplhz can come up with?

When asked by ange about zeph he doesn't answer. He just brings up BL instead:

On September 09 2012 05:29 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 03:43 Ange777 wrote:
@prplhz: What do you think about Zeph?

I'm not really all that worried about him right now.

I'm more worried about Bluelightz. This game he was the only one to go against the Risen lynch (besides Risen himself). The last game I remember Bluelightz going against the "mainstream" lynch was Wheel of Fortune Mafia. In that game Bluelightz made a ton of cases on other people because he thought that zentor was town and that it was a mislynch. Everybody agreed that Bluelightz played really well post game, he even got a mention from Radfield in the Mafia Awards thread.

This is how "moved" Bluelightz is from a mislynch that he didn't like this game:

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On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.

##Vote: vaderseven

(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.)


Next post after deadline:

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On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, my read was right.



This doesn't look like the townie Bluelightz at all, it looks like a guy who doesn't give a shit at all and that's very unlike Bluelightz.

I don't like Ange777 either, in the filters I read she was posting text wall after text wall exposing scum and apparently also carrying her team to victory. I don't see any of that here. There is prodding and there is poking but there's no whacking with a big stick but I'm less sure about this. Bluelightz is looking really bad.


If prplhz is scum he would also know that Ange was about to die. making his "I don't like Ange777 either" comment stick out. Prplhz have only given reads on players who died shortly after - or BL. This one on Ange777 and then his big "risen is scum" post at the end of d1. Here The timing of that "case" was also perfect. (also note that the reason he voted Risen the 2nd time - his scumslip - isn't mentioned in this case) The lynch was basicly decided by then.

On September 09 2012 03:29 Ange777 wrote:
@prplhz: Do you think that I am scum?

On September 09 2012 03:37 prplhz wrote:
It's a distinct possibility.

Can you answer my question and tell me why you thought Risen was scum? I don't even get why you ignored it the first time but I'm sure you have a good reason for that.

Again a half answer. Of course its a distinct possibility. Then a deflection on to a guy already dead (Risen). The qeustion he wants ange to answer is 24h old. The player in question is dead. I would say the question is most likely irrelevant at that point in time. And the question asked is stupid since its all clearly written in Ange's filter. And if you go read was happens after, prplhz doesn't use the answer given by ange to anything. No follow up or anything.

But just because Prplhz is as much scum as the night is black doesn't clear BL. I think prplhz was bussing him. Why?
On September 09 2012 17:20 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi What do you think about Bluelightz?

On September 10 2012 06:49 prplhz wrote:
i don't like how everybody is ignoring my bluelightz case

"that's bluelightz for you" no it isn't, this isn't bluelightz.

marv tell me why you like bluelightz and why you don't like zeph.

On September 10 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote:
I don't really like this Zephirdd lynch and I have no idea how so many people can think that Bluelightz looks townie.

Dirkzor why do you think that Bluelightz is town?

Fishing for other peoples townread on BL. Instead of asking why I think he is town, why didn't he try to change my/our beliefs? He didn't just as he never actively pushed for BL's lynch.

All in all I'm pretty sure prplhz is scum.

I'm not ruling out anyone at this moment but I have to go with my best scum read.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 11 2012 10:25 GMT
#693
no prplhz, you didn't push jack shit.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 10:38 GMT
#694
On September 11 2012 19:25 marvellosity wrote:
no prplhz, you didn't push jack shit.

Okay.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
September 11 2012 10:47 GMT
#695
Prplhz if you don't want to be lynched you should start playing this game. That includes responding to the accusation I've made against you.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 11 2012 11:51 GMT
#696
On September 11 2012 12:38 Keirathi wrote:
I've been staring at this thread for like 2 hours (with an occasional IRC break) since I got home trying to make some sense of it.

Some things I noticed: Bluelightz and prplhz had basically no interactions with each other until n1, then suddenly prplhz has a fully fleshed out. Except, once the day starts, prplhz is MIA (and therefore isn't voting BL) for basically the whole day, and then hops onboard the v7 lynch at the end. Meanwhile, BL *still* hasn't given an opinion about prplhz. His only mention of him at all was to respond to prplhz's case. Early on in the Risen debacle, he gave Risen a public town read, but didn't mention anything about the prplhz.

I'm pretty sure we have our scumteam here, but Dirkzor does complicate things. I basically have a completely null read on him. I know that he's been here and posting, but nothing he has said has ever really stood out or been memorable. Reading back over today, he flat-out defend BL earlier in the day, and then after the Zeph claim and we start meandering around: 1) i called out vader 2) Zeph called out BL 3) marv agrees with zeph that BL is scummy, and has a town read on vader 4) Zeph votes for BL 5) Dirk steps in with a big case on vader, and all the conversation about BL stops.

@marv, Zeph: I still think prplhz is the scummiest person, and I'm not really sure why both of you have deemed BL to be scummier. BL does seem to have links to prplhz AND Dirk, so I guess I can kind of see your reasoning and if you wanted to lynch BL first i could consolidate there, but it feels "wrong" not to be voting my scummiest read.


And what if it's BL/Dirk after what happened yesterday? Can you see a prplhz/Dirk rather than BL/prplhz Dirk/BL?

I only really see Dirk as possibly scum if BL is, don't you agree?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 12:23 GMT
#697
On September 11 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote:
I can get behind a BL lynch but I would much rather lynch prplhz. The reason for me to go against a BL lynch earlier was that it was to easy ot get him lynched. BL rarely post more then a few times a day and thus would not gives us anything to work with and i don't find him too scummy this game.

Now at lylo that doesn't really work anymore since we need to get the mafiosos.

I still think prplhz is the most scummy with BL/marv/kei coming behind (in that order). I didn't add zephirdd because he will most likely die. If he doesn't I'll think about then when it happens.

Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
##Vote vaderseven

I can get on board this lynch, thought he was kind of weird day1 and with no counter claim yet it looks like Zephirdd is actually a cop.

I have no idea why people are hating on the Bluelightz lynch so much though.

This got posted 30 min before deadline.

Right after that post he is asked several questions here (zephirdd) and here (me)

He is clearly reading the thread because he made a follow up to marvs response to Zephirdd's case/post on prplhz just stating:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 06:49 prplhz wrote:
"a bit"

lol

Why not repsond to the questions asked?
Because they were all dumb and useless.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2012 06:39 Zephirdd wrote:
Hello prplhz, how are you? we missed you here.

I was looking at your filter. Interesting stuff popped up. Stuff like this:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 03:27 prplhz wrote:
Hey Bluelightz how do you feel about this game? Do you think that Ange777 is scum?

Previous to this post, you had very little interactions with Ange777 and this is basically the first time you voice suspicion on her.

But the thing is, the way you are doing it at what point in time. For context, this happened after I made my case on bluelightz(which was pretty terrible looking back at it), and you made a new case on bluelightz right after this, and right after you said Ange777 was possibly scum.

The thing is, these timings feel too wrong because Ange777 was killed that night. to me, it feels like you tried to make bluelightz say something bad about ange777 before flipping her, and use that information to lynch bluelightz tonight. You chose bluelightz for that because I had just made a case on him earlier, and your case was even worse. Furthermore, you came in today and didn't vote the one who you said to be your top scum read, all while being AWOL during my and marvellosity's exchange.

Like... I don't know why I looked for ange777 interactions when searching through your filter, but this is incredibly glaring.

prplhz, can you give your opinion on Dirkzor, marvellosity and Bluelightz right now?

I don't give out opinions unless I have to. My read on Bluelightz was pretty obvious from the thread and my read on you and marvellosity were irrelevant because I didn't want to lynch them and neither did anybody else.

And ... that's kind of it. Nobody else wanted anything from me.

Prplhz havent willingly given up any reads this game. He was onto Risen day 1. Then changed to Keir when the momentum changed. He than later changed back to Risen with this:

Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 05:05 prplhz wrote:
Yea okay.

marvellosity points out that Risen does a scumslip. This scumslip isn't just for Risen though, it also implicates marvellosity as well. Bussing requires two scum, not one. marvellosity realizes that if Risen is lynched it is only a matter of time before someone figures this out and so he backs off. His backing off is also weird, it's allegedly because the lynch gained momentum but he doesn't say this before he is called out, he just says "I have my reasons but I'm not going to explain" and then the explanation is like, 10 words long. I don't like this one bit and I'd rather lynch Risen and then we can talk about marvellosity tomorrow.

##Vote Risen

Consider how much Risen had written in the beginning and that is the best reason prplhz can come up with?
Yea, it's a pretty good reason to vote Risen. He had conflicting explanation for his behavior which is indicative of scum who can't figure out what they actually mean because they don't have an opinion or any motivation to do any real town work. This is a pretty fucking good reason to vote Risen.


When asked by ange about zeph he doesn't answer. He just brings up BL instead:
So what? I don't see where you are going with any of this, at no point do you actually stop to explain why you think I'm scum, you just summarize my actions and then say that I'm scum. Why does it make me scum that I didn't give you my read on someone I didn't find interesting at all and instead substitutes with my read for someone I want to lynch?


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 05:29 prplhz wrote:
On September 09 2012 03:43 Ange777 wrote:
@prplhz: What do you think about Zeph?

I'm not really all that worried about him right now.

I'm more worried about Bluelightz. This game he was the only one to go against the Risen lynch (besides Risen himself). The last game I remember Bluelightz going against the "mainstream" lynch was Wheel of Fortune Mafia. In that game Bluelightz made a ton of cases on other people because he thought that zentor was town and that it was a mislynch. Everybody agreed that Bluelightz played really well post game, he even got a mention from Radfield in the Mafia Awards thread.

This is how "moved" Bluelightz is from a mislynch that he didn't like this game:

On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.

##Vote: vaderseven

(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.)


Next post after deadline:

On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, my read was right.



This doesn't look like the townie Bluelightz at all, it looks like a guy who doesn't give a shit at all and that's very unlike Bluelightz.

I don't like Ange777 either, in the filters I read she was posting text wall after text wall exposing scum and apparently also carrying her team to victory. I don't see any of that here. There is prodding and there is poking but there's no whacking with a big stick but I'm less sure about this. Bluelightz is looking really bad.


If prplhz is scum he would also know that Ange was about to die. making his "I don't like Ange777 either" comment stick out. Prplhz have only given reads on players who died shortly after - or BL. This one on Ange777 and then his big "risen is scum" post at the end of d1. Here The timing of that "case" was also perfect. (also note that the reason he voted Risen the 2nd time - his scumslip - isn't mentioned in this case) The lynch was basicly decided by then.
I gave my read on Risen pretty early, I was the first god damn vote on him. This "big case" was stuff I had already said and argued repeatedly in the thread. I don't understand the last argument, I am scum because I called Ange777 scum and then she flipped town and that is clearly scum motivated? I gave my opinion on Risen during the first 10 posts and then he was lynched 48 hours later, you are arguing that that was clearly orchestrated by my scum mastermind and that is ridiculous at best.


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 03:29 Ange777 wrote:
@prplhz: Do you think that I am scum?

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 03:37 prplhz wrote:
It's a distinct possibility.

Can you answer my question and tell me why you thought Risen was scum? I don't even get why you ignored it the first time but I'm sure you have a good reason for that.

Again a half answer. Of course its a distinct possibility. Then a deflection on to a guy already dead (Risen). The qeustion he wants ange to answer is 24h old. The player in question is dead. I would say the question is most likely irrelevant at that point in time. And the question asked is stupid since its all clearly written in Ange's filter. And if you go read was happens after, prplhz doesn't use the answer given by ange to anything. No follow up or anything.
What do you mean "again half an answer", when did I provide "half an answer" before? I gave my opinion on Ange777, her meta was off and she was my second biggest scum read but I wasn't as sure about it as I was about Bluelightz. I wrote this very literally in a post. I think that my answer here "It's a distinct possibility." actually reflects my opinion pretty well if you read it in context but you're just picking it out and yelling at it. I wrote my opinion of Ange777 before and now you're critizising me for not writing my opinion of Ange777.

I ask a lot of questions that has already been "answered" by people because that's a good way to catch scum because they just make shit up and then suddenly their stories don't add up. I did that a ton in this thread too I believe, I think it's a good way to scum hunt.


But just because Prplhz is as much scum as the night is black doesn't clear BL. I think prplhz was bussing him. Why?
You know perfectly well that you find scum one by one and not teams trying to bus each other. Those theories always go to shit.

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On September 09 2012 17:20 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi What do you think about Bluelightz?

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On September 10 2012 06:49 prplhz wrote:
i don't like how everybody is ignoring my bluelightz case

"that's bluelightz for you" no it isn't, this isn't bluelightz.

marv tell me why you like bluelightz and why you don't like zeph.

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On September 10 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote:
I don't really like this Zephirdd lynch and I have no idea how so many people can think that Bluelightz looks townie.

Dirkzor why do you think that Bluelightz is town?

Fishing for other peoples townread on BL. Instead of asking why I think he is town, why didn't he try to change my/our beliefs? He didn't just as he never actively pushed for BL's lynch.
I wrote a case and I asked people to act on it but a ton of people, most frustratingly you and marvellosity, just said that Bluelightz was town enough. It's exceedingly clear if you read day1 (and that's the best day to reread to catch scum) that Bluelightz never gave a shit and not only is that scummy, it's also against his clearly defined town meta.


All in all I'm pretty sure prplhz is scum.
You just don't have any arguments or you are holding them from the thread.


I'm not ruling out anyone at this moment but I have to go with my best scum read.

Yea whatever. I said on n1 "Lets lynch this guy who doesn't give a shit" and then you said "No, lets just leave him alive and try to lynch these two blues" and then n2 you're all "Fuck, we should have lynched the guy who didn't give a shit". Well, duh.

Jesus christ. If you want me to respond to whatever case you have against me then please don't just do summary + conclusion, do summary + arguments + conclusion. You only included the two useless parts and left me filling in the blanks so that I could argue against myself and that's quite infuriating.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#698
except it's not against his town meta in NMM3, which you never bothered answering me on.

Why?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 11 2012 12:30 GMT
#699
Further, do you think Dirk is scum?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 11 2012 12:30 GMT
#700
Bleh I didn't have time to read NMM3 and I totally forgot about it but that doesn't matter, meta is a supportive argument at best and I don't use it for anything other than that.
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