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Ange777
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prplhz
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Ange777
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Can you answer my question and tell me why you thought Risen was scum? I don't even get why you ignored it the first time but I'm sure you have a good reason for that. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
Reasons for voting him are in my filter. Basically it's the contradiction in his stance regarding marv (marv switches his vote off of him is scummy. marv switches his vote back to him is scummy) and the fact that he flip-flopped his scum reads all the time. | ||
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Ange777
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
You have only voiced suspicions on Risen and Keir. With Risen dead and Keir taken off of your list who is your scum read right now? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 09 2012 03:27 Ange777 wrote: @Keir: What do you think of Zeph? I've said a few times that he was in my top 3 scum reads. I agree with you that his only real case was on Risen, and it just repeated points that were already made multiple times in the thread. Easy way to look like he's participating. The key, I think, is what he said before that case on Risen. He was pretty certain that Risen wasn't scum. On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote: Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts. On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum. This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS. That was quick huh ##vote prplhz On September 06 2012 23:51 Zephirdd wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 21:33 Ange777 wrote: EBWOP: I don't know about Zeph. Has there been any real success with the (extended) Kenpachi rule? Anyway, Zeph's reasoning sounds more reasonable to me than V7's. I see Risen's first post as a common seen fluffy first post and therefore don't understand V7's vote. Yes. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=12#232 I don't think there is much more difference from my vote to Risen's vote on this game. I didn't even talk to my teammates before posting that, and JingleHell's first post is complaining about me. I go into QT and say "wtf jingle that was a bait for other townies" his answer is "I want to follow my meta, I'm very aggressive as town" There is also this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=5#84 Fact is that it's a completely null post that makes scum think it's a good way to start a case or simply a way to blend in. It is a scum bait. I call it "extended" because it is no different from the VT-claim Kenpachi Rule that so well works on other games, like NMM2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058¤tpage=7#130 (Bluelightz was scum) On Bluelightz' case, 1. Now that game is over, I'll go for it. Risen does not claim stupid null shit. That's it. At least he looks different from both games(this and DN mini); I can't say he's getting better over time though. 2. The number of times a rule has worked is relevant. Mafia is a game of chances and nothing is 100%(except the setup). 3. It's scummy because it's a O-M-G-U-S what the hell. Not because he is voting whoever voted him, it's because he is voting for the reasoning "you can't be serious about this". Kinda outlined it on the following posts nicely. On another note, I have a question to Risen Why do you think prplhz is scum? Tell us chronologically. Sounds like he had pretty strong reasons for believing that Risen was town, but when the train got rolling on Risen he was happy to jump aboard with other people's arguments. Also notice that past his initial vote on prplhz (and the two subsequent posts explaining his Kenpachi Rule Extended), he hasn't really mentioned him again. In fact, he believes BL is scum now, who hadnt even mentioned at all as having any scummy feelings towards during the day. But suddenly he's super sure. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 09 2012 03:43 Ange777 wrote: @prplhz: What do you think about Zeph? I'm not really all that worried about him right now. I'm more worried about Bluelightz. This game he was the only one to go against the Risen lynch (besides Risen himself). The last game I remember Bluelightz going against the "mainstream" lynch was Wheel of Fortune Mafia. In that game Bluelightz made a ton of cases on other people because he thought that zentor was town and that it was a mislynch. Everybody agreed that Bluelightz played really well post game, he even got a mention from Radfield in the Mafia Awards thread. This is how "moved" Bluelightz is from a mislynch that he didn't like this game: On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote: I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen. ##Vote: vaderseven (Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) Next post after deadline: On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote: Well, my read was right. This doesn't look like the townie Bluelightz at all, it looks like a guy who doesn't give a shit at all and that's very unlike Bluelightz. I don't like Ange777 either, in the filters I read she was posting text wall after text wall exposing scum and apparently also carrying her team to victory. I don't see any of that here. There is prodding and there is poking but there's no whacking with a big stick but I'm less sure about this. Bluelightz is looking really bad. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Zephirdd - My case is just a few posts up, so just going to link it: Zeph Case prplhz 1) OMGUS vote against Risen. He tried to say it wasn't an OMGUS vote, but his wording was literally "I can't believe that Risen can be serious." Why does a townie need to get that defensive over a fluff case at the start of the game? Yes, the case was terrible, but prplhz's response to it was equally terrible. 2) Unvotes Risen to sheep marv onto the case against me, without any explanation. Then, when marv hops onto Risen, prplhz sheeps him again and re-votes Risen. 3) Never really pushes anyone until the lynch outcome was basically already decided. His case on Risen was so late that, while it added some new points, it doesn't really feel like scumhunting, and more like trying to make sure he had some quality scumhunting in his filter. I will say this though, having played with scum prplhz in Dwarf Fortress, he is definitely more active and involved here. Hell, he never even had a single case in DF, was almost modkilled, and only showed up at the end of the day to defend himself from lurker accusations. That's really the only experience I have with him though, so I'll ask other people who have played with him more: is prplhz's scum meta ALWAYS disinterested and lurky? vaderseven 1) In his first post, he soft-defends prplhz, and then voted Risen because of Risen's initial post with some shaky reasoning (that his green Fruitdealer flavor text felt scummy, and that he's not doing a good job of hiding his scumminess? I don't even really know what that means) 2) Again maintains that the green flavor text was scummy. Of all the things that Risen did that were scummy, this is maybe the least alignment telling thing in his entire filter. What made it so scummy? 3) I know someone already pointed this out already, but I can't remember who it was: vaderseven wrote: I was going to list out a huge number of sub points but I think its better left at this: you are squirming like scum trying to be very active. Your goal is to use a large amount of direct response to defend yourself. Why was it better left at that? He isn't making his thoughts and intentions clear. Maybe just lazy/disinterested, but certainly not transparent. All of which are scum traits. Add on that he's lurking pretty hard, and my day 1 impression is noob scum trying to fly by under the radar. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/agwET.jpg) Artosis sat comfortably with John the Translator as Cool came up for his interview. A sad note tinged this meeting, because of the recent tragedy. poopfeast420 had his questions and made Artosis say his handle on air, and John was both humorous and awesome, but somehow, something was off. Something... was different. Something, actually, smelled different. "Do you smell that?" asked Artosis, and before John can translate it he cuts him off. "No, no not him. You. What's that smell?" The ponder for a moment, and follow their noses. The camera stays on Cool who keeps his cool, and suddenly abandoned by his interviewers, wanders off to go do other cool things. Suddenly, John runs back across the stage, going somewhere. Moments later, Mr. Chae and John are running back and cross the camera again. Artosis returns. "We won't be having our second match today, guys. Sorry... something horrible has happened. I can't explain it. Just... it was awful..." The feed cuts out. * * * Some fans in the audience were in the back, and soon the rumor spread. Threads take hold on Teamliquid.net about the horror that took place... NaDa was found unconscious in a pile of grease, salt, and curds. Cheesed unconscious. He forfeits his match automatically since he can't show up to it. Ange777 as NaDa the Progamer has been cheesed to death! It is now Day 2. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day2 ends in 48 hours at Monday, Sep 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I was roleblocked. | ||
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Ange777
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote: GG Ange. I was roleblocked. That narrows down the setup types possible OR you are lieing in order to make us think that. Not saying you are a liar btw. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 09 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote: That narrows down the setup types possible OR you are lieing in order to make us think that. Not saying you are a liar btw. So which is it? Do you think I'm lying or not? Anyways, yes. This narrows the setup possibilities down. We either have 1 cop and 1 doc, or 2 BoxeR's. Whoever the blues are know the exact setup now. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
This is starting to feel like dwarf fortress all over again. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote: Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz. You said that you had a null read on V7 twice. Then again: However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between): How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him? Your logic: I should've voted Risen. My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 09 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote: That narrows down the setup types possible OR you are lieing in order to make us think that. Not saying you are a liar btw. Seem's rather careful. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 09 2012 03:27 prplhz wrote: Hey Bluelightz how do you feel about this game? Do you think that Ange777 is scum? Ange77: He died. Aaaaaaand I think we should lynch marv because he didn't die n1. (Okay that's just because he was scum and didn't die N1 in NMMII too). | ||
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