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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I'll be honest, I kind of feel bad about Risen now, but damn he was playing scummily. Initial thoughts post-flip: something feels off about you. But I say that every game. You're so goddamn hard to read. Your only real case was the one against me for saying "I think" a bunch, when you've read my games and talked with me more than anyone else here. And you dropped it extremely easily, then even said "Good post Kei" to something I said at the end of the day. However, some of your posts feel distinctly townie, like saying you still take responsibility for the Risen lynch even after you were off the wagon. I'm still looking at Zeph and prplhz as my top two scum reads right now. Maybe throw vader in there too. I'll be taking a good hard look through their filters before the day post and getting some solid information out. What about you? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote: Well, my read was right. WHAT read? you're not getting away this game, bluez. First of all, you flipped from "scummy" to "town" on me WAAAAY TOO QUICKLY. Secondly, your filter reeks of nothingness, and your case(read: reason to vote) on Vaderseven is terrible. If you read him as town, you were supposed to defend Risen's ass. If you read him as scum, you were supposed to vote his ass. Instead, you took the middle route. | ||
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Barbiero
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 08 2012 12:50 Zephirdd wrote: WHAT read? you're not getting away this game, bluez. First of all, you flipped from "scummy" to "town" on me WAAAAY TOO QUICKLY. Secondly, your filter reeks of nothingness, and your case(read: reason to vote) on Vaderseven is terrible. If you read him as town, you were supposed to defend Risen's ass. If you read him as scum, you were supposed to vote his ass. Instead, you took the middle route. Hey I was sleeping -__-" Well, I'd rather vote for someone who I think is more likely to be scum (marv read depends on who dies d2), then any of the people I read as townie (read: v7). | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote: Well, my read was right. fuck this. now, if only you weren't so completely useless all the time, right? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 08 2012 10:06 Keirathi wrote: Yea, I'll get something fully fleshed out up soon. I'll be honest, I kind of feel bad about Risen now, but damn he was playing scummily. Initial thoughts post-flip: something feels off about you. But I say that every game. You're so goddamn hard to read. Your only real case was the one against me for saying "I think" a bunch, when you've read my games and talked with me more than anyone else here. And you dropped it extremely easily, then even said "Good post Kei" to something I said at the end of the day. However, some of your posts feel distinctly townie, like saying you still take responsibility for the Risen lynch even after you were off the wagon. I'm still looking at Zeph and prplhz as my top two scum reads right now. Maybe throw vader in there too. I'll be taking a good hard look through their filters before the day post and getting some solid information out. What about you? The whole thread needs a read through and any townie who isn't a lazy ass should do it, because Risen was arguing with people/dumping information on town. Who was absent/who betrayed knowledge that he was townie or whatever. I remember Ange saying "I understand your frustration" or something similar at some point. Seemed odd but really she's probably been too involved otherwise to be scum. I really wanna go back look at that "chronological" thing from Zeph. vader seems totally detached from the game and I hate that. BL is playing absolutely horribly. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Yes he was town and that sucks but the lynch was good. I'll be re-reading my notes (and updating them) and re-reading day 1 tomorrow. Gut feeling have me pointing fingers at zeph and vader7. Nothing substantial yet though... | ||
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Quatol
Burkina Faso57 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 08 2012 20:38 Quatol wrote: yeah i could kill vader i could also learn to use smurf accounts | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I know I did, but I only did so vent and call him awful, Zeph wants to pursue him as a scumread and it feels icky | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 08 2012 19:04 Dirkzor wrote: Keirathi why do you feel bad about the Risen lynch? He was the most scummy in the game and we lynched his ass. Only scum feel they need to apologize for there choice of lynch to not seem detached. Yes he was town and that sucks but the lynch was good. I'll be re-reading my notes (and updating them) and re-reading day 1 tomorrow. Gut feeling have me pointing fingers at zeph and vader7. Nothing substantial yet though... Yea, you're right. If we replayed day 1 over again 100 times, I would probably make the same vote in 95+ of them. I just hate lynching townies (even bad ones), especially when they are the most active person in the thread. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:35 Keirathi wrote: Yea, you're right. If we replayed day 1 over again 100 times, I would probably make the same vote in 95+ of them. I just hate lynching townies (even bad ones), especially when they are the most active person in the thread. EBWOP: What happened to your gut feeling about me being scum? You mentioned that you thought I had done scummy things, and replied to Ange saying that it was my wishy-washiness early game, into suddenly having a hard opinion, and that it was a gut feeling, but not enough to vote me over Risen. But now you have gut feelings about 2 new people, I'm not listed anymore. So why did you change your opinion? You didn't ever actually give any reasons, and only mentioned me those 2 times. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
 I said I can understand his frustration because partially people were accusing him based on his starting post which I have stated more than once seems like a normal fluff post to me. I did vote for him as well but not because of that post. On September 08 2012 06:06 Risen wrote: Lynch order: Marv > Dirk > Zeph > Keir > prpl. Pray you guys hit scum sometime in those first three or it's just over anyways. So this is the lynch order Risen has suggested. Out of his list there are a few players I have my suspicions about. One of them is: Zeph Zeph initially started off with a defense of Risen based on meta. When re-reading his case and vote on Risen there is something odd which didn't trigger any bells earlier as I was too preoccupied with Risen's own posts to notice this. On September 08 2012 01:45 Zephirdd wrote: First time he actually calls prplhz being scum(without actually saying that directly to him) which was after my post. Point: He thinks prplhz is scum. He still thinks prplhz is scum Wait a second. I asked you to tell us why did you think he was scum chronologically, which is the moment you first thought he was scum, why was that. But you never actually thought he was scum? Secondly, he was the scummiest guy in the thread!? I mean, I don't know about you, but the moment I think someone is scummy, is the moment I think someone is scum. There are varying degrees, but that's how it works. If he was the scummiest, how was he NOT scum? What so he is scummy. IS HE SCUM OR NOT RISEN? DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM OR NOT, AND WHY? (that was a rhetorical question btw) -snip- ##unvote ##vote Risen HAMMER THAT There is anything wrong with calling someone the scummiest guy in the thread and not being 100% sure if he is scum or not. Especially this early into a game when we only have a handful of posts to judge the alignments of every single player. Yet you paint it as if Risen had contradicted himself. I can see no contradiction in his posting regarding prplhz. Going for an early pressure vote, you can't sound weak or people will not take the pressure seriously. So there is nothing wrong with calling someone scum directly and than when having to clarify stating that he was the scummiest player at that time. While Keir was following the same line of thought in his own case previously, I feel a town vibe from his posts given the fact that Keir was posting actively and was discussing the said case with Risen. Zeph however only sheeped Keir's case without adding anything substantial of his own. And he only voted when it was pretty sure that Risen was set to be lynched. Now Zeph is taking an easy way out with this post: On September 08 2012 12:53 Zephirdd wrote: In two days I should have some clear reads on players though, making sure who is on whose's side. I'll start with bluelightz - I won't let you get away. Why does it take you two days to get more reads? As long as we actively hunt for scum there will be discussion in this thread even without Risen and with that everyone of us should be able to get better reads. All you are doing is calling Bluelightz out without applying any real pressure. Right now, Zeph's play feels incredibly scummy. I have yet to see real scum hunting. Instead all I see is sheeping another player's case in voting a town player. No effort in looking for scum yourself. Because you yourself are scum? @Bluelightz: What made you decide to vote for V7 and not one of the other players whom you haven't commented on. I suppose you have a null read on the rest of us as well? | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
What makes you guys suspicious of vader7? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
You said that you had a null read on V7 twice. On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote: Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary. Could you explain why those could be scum traits? Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's: On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote: Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts. On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum. This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS. That was quick huh ##vote prplhz Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail. Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work). Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy) ******************************** On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote: First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it. This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something. What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum?? I see no merit to that thought. I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly. ##vote Risen He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy. Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM). Conclusion: Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting) Then again: On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote: + Show Spoiler + My promise from yesterday: Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv. I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check! Scum marv (NMMII) This game's marv Do you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why: On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote: i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today See the stance? yes, see why? no. (Marv could you explain please?) marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao  )My final stance on v7/Zeph: Zeph: Townie v7: Still null. Why? v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else. Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie. However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between): On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote: I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen. ##Vote: vaderseven (Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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