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I'm with BL. Lets lynch Marv =)
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On September 09 2012 20:15 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm with BL. Lets lynch Marv =)
##Vote: Dirkzor
straight omgus
BL is just an awful player and i'm not sure he's ballsy enough to pull this off as scum. Dirkzor, however, should know better than to spout this nonsense. You kill one of the strongest players because he survives ONE NIGHT? No. Various options as to why I survived:
1) I am scum. Simple enough.
2) Scum considered Ange more dangerous than me at this stage of the game
3) Scum feared a medic prot on me
4) Scum saw BL talking this stupid nonsense and decided not to kill me (if BL isn't scum himself)
5) Something I didn't think of at this point
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Shame you answered first marv. I was interested in seeing how others would react but thats kinda ruined now That I was hungover from last night and just wanted to troll a bit...
I have no intention of lynching you - so far.
On September 09 2012 03:03 Ange777 wrote:Risen  I said I can understand his frustration because partially people were accusing him based on his starting post which I have stated more than once seems like a normal fluff post to me. I did vote for him as well but not because of that post. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:06 Risen wrote:
Lynch order: Marv > Dirk > Zeph > Keir > prpl. Pray you guys hit scum sometime in those first three or it's just over anyways. So this is the lynch order Risen has suggested. Out of his list there are a few players I have my suspicions about. One of them is: ZephZeph initially started off with a defense of Risen based on meta. When re-reading his case and vote on Risen there is something odd which didn't trigger any bells earlier as I was too preoccupied with Risen's own posts to notice this. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 01:45 Zephirdd wrote:On September 06 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:On September 06 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz's vote is definitely not worse than Risen's
stop being dumb You know very well my first post was meant to start discussion and point out some mildly scummy things prpl had said in his post. Then he comes back with an extreme overreaction in the form of OMGUS? Scum. First time he actually calls prplhz being scum(without actually saying that directly to him) which was after my post. Point: He thinks prplhz is scum. On September 06 2012 08:11 Risen wrote:On September 06 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
let's not kill prplhz Why not? He's the scummiest one in thread so far. He still thinks prplhz is scum On September 07 2012 00:54 Risen wrote:
From Zephirdd's post
"Why do you think prplhz is scum? Tell us chronologically."
I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling. His reaction has not sat very well with me, but I really don't like your first sentence in that other post about me being town or at least playing to town meta or something. It just feels really superfluous to the point you were trying to make. Wait a second. I asked you to tell us why did you think he was scum chronologically, which is the moment you first thought he was scum, why was that. But you never actually thought he was scum? Secondly, he was the scummiest guy in the thread!? I mean, I don't know about you, but the moment I think someone is scummy, is the moment I think someone is scum. There are varying degrees, but that's how it works. If he was the scummiest, how was he NOT scum? On September 07 2012 03:31 Risen wrote:On September 07 2012 03:29 Keirathi wrote:
Also, for that matter, you repeatedly said "prplhz is scum". Except you never actually tried to convince anyone of it. You just kept repeating it ad nauseum, then when people started calling you out on it, you backtracked into saying "I never really thought he was scum anyways".
There's no townie motivation for that. Period. Except that whole starting discussion thing. And the fact that I still find prplhz scummy. My backtrack is nonexistent you just keep saying that over and over b/c you have no real point. I also find you more scummy than prplhz, my vote is where it should be. What so he is scummy. IS HE SCUM OR NOT RISEN? DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM OR NOT, AND WHY? (that was a rhetorical question btw) -snip- ##unvote
##vote RisenHAMMER THAT There is anything wrong with calling someone the scummiest guy in the thread and not being 100% sure if he is scum or not. Especially this early into a game when we only have a handful of posts to judge the alignments of every single player. Yet you paint it as if Risen had contradicted himself. I can see no contradiction in his posting regarding prplhz. Going for an early pressure vote, you can't sound weak or people will not take the pressure seriously. So there is nothing wrong with calling someone scum directly and than when having to clarify stating that he was the scummiest player at that time. While Keir was following the same line of thought in his own case previously, I feel a town vibe from his posts given the fact that Keir was posting actively and was discussing the said case with Risen. Zeph however only sheeped Keir's case without adding anything substantial of his own. And he only voted when it was pretty sure that Risen was set to be lynched. Now Zeph is taking an easy way out with this post: Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 12:53 Zephirdd wrote:
In two days I should have some clear reads on players though, making sure who is on whose's side. I'll start with bluelightz - I won't let you get away. Why does it take you two days to get more reads? As long as we actively hunt for scum there will be discussion in this thread even without Risen and with that everyone of us should be able to get better reads. All you are doing is calling Bluelightz out without applying any real pressure. Right now, Zeph's play feels incredibly scummy. I have yet to see real scum hunting. Instead all I see is sheeping another player's case in voting a town player. No effort in looking for scum yourself. Because you yourself are scum? @Bluelightz: What made you decide to vote for V7 and not one of the other players whom you haven't commented on. I suppose you have a null read on the rest of us as well?
##Vote Zephirdd
Yes I'm sheeping. This post is the best so far in this game Ange was town. I have my own feelings about zeph which ange pointed out really well in this post and:
On September 07 2012 22:17 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 22:07 marvellosity wrote:
Dirk, tell me about Zeph dear. Zephirdd always tickles my scumbells. Like ALWAYS. I can never read him. Same this game. He gives a bad reason for voting prplhz over Risen - scummy. He then talks about the stupid kenpachi rule for the rest of his posts. He complains that no one is posting while not really producing anything himself.
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On September 09 2012 19:24 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz. You said that you had a null read on V7 twice. On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:
While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:
1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.
Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing. Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary. Could you explain why those could be scum traits?
Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's: On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.
On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.
This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.
That was quick huh
##vote prplhz Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail. Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work). Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy) ******************************** On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:(img removed by vaderseven) I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!! On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello
everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum
also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?
thanks Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence. ##vote: prplhz This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something. What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum?? I see no merit to that thought. I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly. ##vote Risen He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.
Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM). Conclusion: Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting) Then again: On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My promise from yesterday: Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.
I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check! Scum marv (NMMII)This game's marvDo you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why: On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today See the stance? yes, see why? no. (Marv could you explain please?) marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao  )
My final stance on v7/Zeph: Zeph: Townie v7: Still null.Why? v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else. Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie. However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between): On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.
##Vote: vaderseven
(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him? Your logic: I should've voted Risen. My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town.
Err, what?
I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read.
Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read?
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yeah, i'm totes down with a zeph lynch. Dirk, don't play with me like that kthxgg
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##Vote: Zephirdd
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It wasn't you I was trying to play Marv...
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On September 09 2012 23:13 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 19:24 Bluelightz wrote:On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz. You said that you had a null read on V7 twice. On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:
While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:
1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.
Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing. Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary. Could you explain why those could be scum traits?
Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's: On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.
On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.
This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.
That was quick huh
##vote prplhz Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail. Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work). Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy) ******************************** On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:(img removed by vaderseven) I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!! On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello
everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum
also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?
thanks Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence. ##vote: prplhz This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something. What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum?? I see no merit to that thought. I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly. ##vote Risen He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.
Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM). Conclusion: Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting) Then again: On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My promise from yesterday: Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.
I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check! Scum marv (NMMII)This game's marvDo you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why: On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today See the stance? yes, see why? no. (Marv could you explain please?) marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )
My final stance on v7/Zeph: Zeph: Townie v7: Still null.Why? v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else. Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie. However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between): On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.
##Vote: vaderseven
(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him? Your logic: I should've voted Risen. My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town. Err, what? I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read. Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read?
During d1, the best you could vote was following the Risen bandwagon train?
I voted v7 because if we swinged votes it would be more likely(easier) to gather support to lynch v7 as some people have already voiced their willingness / say's that the lynch target is between Risen / zeph / v7.
Zeph lynch thoughts:
Will I vote zeph? No. Why wouldn't I? because he has proven his innocence (to me), by being willing to share information with town, even if he picked an easy target (meh) to pick on, by doing that he is actively trying to find scum (he thinks i'm scum) and not wasting time doing other stuff.
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Not wasting time? what about his rambling about the kenpachi rule?
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On September 09 2012 23:59 Dirkzor wrote:
It wasn't you I was trying to play Marv...
yeah, I know.
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On September 10 2012 00:04 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 23:13 Keirathi wrote:On September 09 2012 19:24 Bluelightz wrote:On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz. You said that you had a null read on V7 twice. On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:
While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:
1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.
Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing. Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary. Could you explain why those could be scum traits?
Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's: On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.
On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.
This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.
That was quick huh
##vote prplhz Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail. Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work). Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy) ******************************** On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:(img removed by vaderseven) I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!! On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello
everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum
also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?
thanks Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence. ##vote: prplhz This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something. What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum?? I see no merit to that thought. I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly. ##vote Risen He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.
Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM). Conclusion: Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting) Then again: On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My promise from yesterday: Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.
I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check! Scum marv (NMMII)This game's marvDo you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why: On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today See the stance? yes, see why? no. (Marv could you explain please?) marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )
My final stance on v7/Zeph: Zeph: Townie v7: Still null.Why? v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else. Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie. However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between): On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.
##Vote: vaderseven
(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him? Your logic: I should've voted Risen. My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town. Err, what? I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read. Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read? During d1, the best you could vote was following the Risen bandwagon train? I voted v7 because if we swinged votes it would be more likely(easier) to gather support to lynch v7 as some people have already voiced their willingness / say's that the lynch target is between Risen / zeph / v7.
Zeph lynch thoughts: Will I vote zeph? No. Why wouldn't I? because he has proven his innocence (to me), by being willing to share information with town, even if he picked an easy target (meh) to pick on, by doing that he is actively trying to find scum (he thinks i'm scum) and not wasting time doing other stuff.
Yes, the best I could do was vote Risen. I made a case, gave plenty of reasoning, and argued with Risen about it for hours. I voted for my scum read.
So you voted for your null read. I can kind of understand your reasoning, BUT: who was your scum read? You never actually pushed one at all. The only person you ever even mentioned that you thought was scummy was Zeph, and you changed that to a townie read based on one post.
If there were 3 lynch candidates, but you had a town read of two of them and a null read on the third, wouldn't the appropriate play be to make a case on the person you thought was scum, with supporting evidence etc, and try to get people off of your town read?
But instead, you took the easy way out and just put a throwaway vote with no real reasoning behind it onto v7. Sounds like you didn't particularly care if Risen died, even though he was a "Town read".
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On September 10 2012 00:20 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:04 Bluelightz wrote:On September 09 2012 23:13 Keirathi wrote:On September 09 2012 19:24 Bluelightz wrote:On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz. You said that you had a null read on V7 twice. On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:
While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:
1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.
Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing. Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary. Could you explain why those could be scum traits?
Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's: On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.
On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.
This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.
That was quick huh
##vote prplhz Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail. Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work). Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy) ******************************** On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it. Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:(img removed by vaderseven) I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!! On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello
everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum
also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?
thanks Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence. ##vote: prplhz This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something. What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum?? I see no merit to that thought. I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly. ##vote Risen He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.
Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM). Conclusion: Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting) Then again: On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My promise from yesterday: Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.
I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check! Scum marv (NMMII)This game's marvDo you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why: On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today See the stance? yes, see why? no. (Marv could you explain please?) marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )
My final stance on v7/Zeph: Zeph: Townie v7: Still null.Why? v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else. Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie. However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between): On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.
##Vote: vaderseven
(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him? Your logic: I should've voted Risen. My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town. Err, what? I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read. Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read? During d1, the best you could vote was following the Risen bandwagon train? I voted v7 because if we swinged votes it would be more likely(easier) to gather support to lynch v7 as some people have already voiced their willingness / say's that the lynch target is between Risen / zeph / v7.
Zeph lynch thoughts: Will I vote zeph? No. Why wouldn't I? because he has proven his innocence (to me), by being willing to share information with town, even if he picked an easy target (meh) to pick on, by doing that he is actively trying to find scum (he thinks i'm scum) and not wasting time doing other stuff. Yes, the best I could do was vote Risen. I made a case, gave plenty of reasoning, and argued with Risen about it for hours. I voted for my scum read. So you voted for your null read. I can kind of understand your reasoning, BUT: who was your scum read? You never actually pushed one at all. The only person you ever even mentioned that you thought was scummy was Zeph, and you changed that to a townie read based on one post. If there were 3 lynch candidates, but you had a town read of two of them and a null read on the third, wouldn't the appropriate play be to make a case on the person you thought was scum, with supporting evidence etc, and try to get people off of your town read? But instead, you took the easy way out and just put a throwaway vote with no real reasoning behind it onto v7. Sounds like you didn't particularly care if Risen died, even though he was a "Town read".
How the fuck do I defend Risen while I'm sleeping?. There's not much to say on v7's filter than He hasn't talked about anything BUT Risen.
(Sleeping now, don't expect responses till tommorow after school )
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I don't really care about why you had a town read on Risen, nor why you voted v7 (well, I do, but that wasn't what I was asking). I want to know: who are you scum reads, or, if v7 is your only scumread, then why did only talking about Risen take him from a null read to enough evidence to vote for him. You used the same reasoning to justify your null read, AND your vote.
As far as defending Risen while you were sleeping: I made my case on Risen at September 07 2012 02:02 forum time. The day ended at September 08 2012 07:00. You were sleeping for 29 hours? No, of course not. You came in and made a couple posts in that period, but still DIDN'T PUSH A SCUM READ. You just threw your vote onto vader with the only justification that he talked only about Risen. Did you honestly expect people to unvote Risen and vote vader based on that?
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@marv: care to weigh in on...well, anything?
Zeph, BL, vader, my question about prplhz?
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Oh, about the scum meta? Well, I provided two other mini games than Dwarf for people to look at, and I thought my opinion was pretty clear about it (partly why i want to know where he is now).
My vote is on Zeph, what do you want to know?
vader looks bad for reasons BL stated.
BL looks bad but that's BL for you. It's entirely unsurprising to me that he would not have a proper scumread to vote on day 1 - see my meta analysis of him in NMM3, i.e where he produced a spreadsheet of near-universal townreads when in line for the (mis)lynch I was leading on him at the time.
Back to Zeph for a moment, he rolled scum in Mad Men, NMM2, and PTP3... from my perspective it makes sense that he's not able to give this game his all. I know when I've rolled scum a couple of times in succession it drains me. If he's town, I would have expected him to be eager to get stuck into playing town this game.
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Zeph plays like he did in PTP3. Where he was scum.
He still got my vote.
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On September 10 2012 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Oh, about the scum meta? Well, I provided two other mini games than Dwarf for people to look at, and I thought my opinion was pretty clear about it (partly why i want to know where he is now).
Yea, your opinion was that he was more active and involved here than he was in those games. I was just curious if anyone had any reference point for an active/involved scum prplhz, or if he could be pulling the wool over our eyes.
On September 10 2012 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
My vote is on Zeph, what do you want to know?
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Back to Zeph for a moment, he rolled scum in Mad Men, NMM2, and PTP3... from my perspective it makes sense that he's not able to give this game his all. I know when I've rolled scum a couple of times in succession it drains me. If he's town, I would have expected him to be eager to get stuck into playing town this game.
Well, you had mentioned him a bunch, but almost all one liners without really much explanation. Hard to get a read on your motivation and thought process if all you say is "Yea im down with a zeph lynch". This explanation of his play does have some merit, so I'll go check out those games.
On September 10 2012 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
vader looks bad for reasons BL stated.
The only reason BL ever gave was that vader did nothing but talk about Risen. Which, I admit, is certainly a scummy point. But scummy enough to put him into your top reads?
On September 10 2012 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
BL looks bad but that's BL for you. It's entirely unsurprising to me that he would not have a proper scumread to vote on day 1 - see my meta analysis of him in NMM3, i.e where he produced a spreadsheet of near-universal townreads when in line for the (mis)lynch I was leading on him at the time.
I remember the spreadsheet comment and how you jumped off of him. But, I was reading that game with the knowledge of who the scum were already, so I was more interested in the ways you guys (well, you specifically, since I was talking with you), kept suspicion off of yourself, so I didn't actually pay that much attention to what the townies were doing.
However, prplhz linked WoF, where as a townie, yes BL did have a lot of town reads. I feel like the difference is that he had scum reads too, and made cases against them.
I'll go check his filter from NMM3 now, though.
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i don't like how everybody is ignoring my bluelightz case
"that's bluelightz for you" no it isn't, this isn't bluelightz.
marv tell me why you like bluelightz and why you don't like zeph.
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I never said vader was a top read, I said he looked bad, Kei.
prplhz, Ange made some good points on Zeph, but I can reform them and pretend it's me if it makes you feel better? I've mentioned it before, but I find his "chronological" question on Risen's read on you to be quite out of place.
Already explained my thoughts on BL. If you don't agree with me, be specific.
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@marv: My bad. I remembered you sayin he looked bad, but you didn't actually mention him in your night post.
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