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On September 08 2012 06:00 Risen wrote:
1) He backed off prpl.
I've shown I never backed off prpl, but this continues to be a cry from too many people to have it just be scum shouting it. Hence, horrible town.
But you did back off prpl. Even if I give you the BotD that you were answering "Why did I vote prplhz 3 posts into the game" instead of "Why do you think prplhz is scum", you still maintained for a lot of the day that prplhz was scum. I can quote all the times you mentioned your scum read on him again, if you want. I'm not even talking about your first post, just the ones after it. But a few hours ago, you said something along of the lines of "I don't think prplhz is scum, I think he's a bad townie. Forget him and lynch Dirk/Zeph/etc".
Also, I do have a question for you: What part of your meta, specifically, are you trying to change? I was under the impression that you were just trying to work on your attitude, because thats what you said you were working on in Not Themed. Your attitude has nothing to do with the meta argument that marv made against you, so your questioning of him because he made a meta argument about your townie playstyle, NOT your "FUCK YOU YOU'RE DUMB" attitude meta, doesn't make much sense to me.
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I know that's my lynch order, but really guys, be wary of prpl. If Dirk doesn't flip scum take a real hard look at him. He hasn't actually done anything useful and his posts are really bad.
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On September 08 2012 06:08 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:00 Risen wrote:
1) He backed off prpl.
I've shown I never backed off prpl, but this continues to be a cry from too many people to have it just be scum shouting it. Hence, horrible town.
But you did back off prpl. Even if I give you the BotD that you were answering "Why did I vote prplhz 3 posts into the game" instead of "Why do you think prplhz is scum", you still maintained for a lot of the day that prplhz was scum. I can quote all the times you mentioned your scum read on him again, if you want. I'm not even talking about your first post, just the ones after it. But a few hours ago, you said something along of the lines of "I don't think prplhz is scum, I think he's a bad townie. Forget him and lynch Dirk/Zeph/etc". Also, I do have a question for you: What part of your meta, specifically, are you trying to change? I was under the impression that you were just trying to work on your attitude, because thats what you said you were working on in Not Themed. Your attitude has nothing to do with the meta argument that marv made against you, so your questioning of him because he made a meta argument about your townie playstyle, NOT your "FUCK YOU YOU'RE DUMB" attitude meta, doesn't make much sense to me.
Meta change = changing the entire way I play. Attitude (work in progress, sorry!) and gameplay style. I don't think there's anywhere I've played as town where day 1 I was posting so actively and being so open to the trhead on my thought process.
I thought the back off referred only to the misquoted and out of context statement. It's clear I've backed off him b/c I no longer have him as my top scum read. Why? Because there are scummier people in the thread. Right now if I was anyone else I would not even be considering Marv as the top slot, but once I saw Risen flip town, and took it to my head that Risen had been teamed with Marv for two games in a row now, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
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EBWOP: Maybe prpl is playing stupid and refusing to answer my rebuttal of him and he really IS scum. Maybe he's town and actually is refusing to answer my rebuttal b/c he's had a bad game so far. I'm leaning to the latter. I've never discounted anyone as being town or scum, besides marvel who I'm 100% on being scum, because only scum know alignments. I thought keeping the thread up to date on what I was thinking would be best. Not only does this allow people to defend themselves, it also gets people talking because they have to defend themselves. We'll see how the game works out. If town wins this b/c of all the posting people were forced into today then I'll continue openly thinking in thread. If town derps its way to a loss well maybe lurking and rolling the dice on who to lynch is a better way to play.
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Also, what happened to vader in your "Lynch order" list. He hasn't even been here, but you just dropped him.
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Double EBWOP: And what is lots of posting? Pro-town. I'll never subscribe to the school of thought that lurking in any position is pro-town. I'm under the impression that posting a lot is the best thing that can happen for town. Forcing people to defend themselves makes them post. Could I have gone about it in a better way? Probably. If town wins this b/c of what I made happen here day 1 I'll continue to refine and improve on ways to make people post as much as possible day 1. As it stands? If this town won't listen to rational arguments and let me defend myself I have no confidence that they'll be able to win without me making all the cases.
I'm still in shock that you guys are lynching the guy who has been forwarding cases and making people defend themselves. It boggles the mind.
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On September 08 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote:
Also, what happened to vader in your "Lynch order" list. He hasn't even been here, but you just dropped him.
Tbh, forgot about him. He's probably above prpl. He's been so lurky he didn't even cross my mind.
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EBWOP: Maybe even above you on that list Keir now that I'm thinking about him again. What he did was shady as fuck. "I'm going to post a case, ehhhh, nvm I changed my mind. No case, but here's my vote."
"Oh Risen responded to me, well I'm just going to lurk while derp town lynches him."
Makes sense to me. It's a problem when you have townies doing really scummy things. There's 6 people on me, at least 4 of you are town. The things I've done can be taken both scummy and not scummy depending on your viewpoint. No matter the viewpoint coming into the thread and voting without making a case, refusing to respond to defenses, and lurking is anti-town play.
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Ok, don't know if there will be any more posts before lynch. I'm set to be lynched.
Things town needs to do after I'm dead.
1) Lynch Marvel. What was that? Lynch Marvel. Why? Because he isn't as bad as the rest of you. Wait what? He's smarter than you are. He knows I'm not scum, and if he was town he would have actually made a case and let me defend myself from it. Well, how do you know he's smarter than us? I've played with him as scum, he's laughing at all of you right now, and in a very Mattchew-like manner.
2) Read my cases, and look at the response given from people. I think Dirk comes across as most scummy, maybe you don't agree. Regardless, get in the thread and POST. If you're town and lurking, start posting. If someone lurks the first two days and then unlurks, lynch them.
I think that sums it up. I responded to everyone's comments about me in what I feel was a logical manner, no one unvoted. Maybe it wasn't logical and I just thought it was. No one seems to be able to actually use quotes or read the thread, though, which is pretty bad. Stop being lazy, stop being bad. Godspeed, town.
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Meh, Risen you've called so many people scummy in the last couple pages.
Also, you know I'm not some superman scumhunter, right?
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FWIW, as much as I would like to change my opinion about you, I just can't. You're being really active here when your neck is on the line, but I feel like you're floundering around doing whatever you can to save your hide and throw mud onto everyone else. Besides you, there are 8 people in the game. Your lynch list, when you add in vader, is 6 people. You have basically the whole town down in order of who should be lynched.
Then there's things like this (emphasis is my own, and spoilered cause long quotes):
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2012 02:06 Risen wrote:
You're probably right. I'm just telling you what I was responding to. Whether or not I actually responded to that specific question is irrelevant. It's probably scummy, and I'll discuss it post-game. The problem I find I have is I sit down and just type whatever comes to mind without filtering it. This leads to contradictions that shouldn't happen, and me answering things that weren't asked in the first place. If I wasn't me I'd think it was scummy, but I'd also look at all the other things I've done in thread and realize that scum wouldn't push cases so hard or with so much logic. I think my cases are very logical, something you can't say about scum cases. Now, the case being pushed on me is somewhat logical, because I've made mistakes, but it is incomplete because it doesn't look at the great good I've done in thread, instead focusing on the small blunders. This is what scum do, eventually townies make small mistakes, some more than others because some are worse, scum finds these small mistakes and exploits them. It is a townies duty not to panic and instead to continue making logical cases, that way even if I'm lynched, there are now concrete town cases in thread. That's what bugs me about prpl and anyone else in this game. Prpl responded by shitting himself openly in thread. He didn't do anything logical, he's not helping town should he be lynched. Town should play as if they're always about to take a bullet or be lynched. I don't see that from Dirk, prpl, or v7. On September 08 2012 04:31 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 04:26 Ange777 wrote:I think there is no one in the thread besides you and me. Stupid inactivity. What kind of questions were you expecting? Talking about your play should wait for the post-game discussion right? + Show Spoiler +Or where you expecting questions like what's your favorite kind of ice cream?  You're probably right. I was expecting people to go through and ask questions about my play. I'd respond by saying what I was thinking at the time. By doing this people would actually read the thread and realize I'm town b/c I can respond to any "contradiction" posted in this thread, and have, to show that there are no contradictions. People still harp on it, though, b/c they're too lazy to actually read the thread. That's why v7's claim of having read through the entire thread rings really, REALLY hollow to me. I doubt he did, or if he did he skimmed it. So either lazy town or scum claiming lazy town. Post-game discussion from me will revolve around how atrocious town is, and how awesome scum is for relying on a lazy town (or rather, how sad it is that a scum team can rely on town to be lazy) As for favorite ice cream? Tie. Mint chocolate chip or cookie dough for sure. Damn that sounds tasty. In case you didn't get it from that, I'm town. We'll see what excuses derp townies come up with to excuse how bad they are.
You say that you are aware that you are making contradictions because you're posting on the fly off the top of your head, then say you have no contradictions.
You've flip-flopped on your reads every 30 minutes, without really PUSHING the cases. Hell, your vote isn't even on marv right now.
Too many little things all add up to you being scum.
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How is everyone else feeling about this right now?
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Frankly I'm afraid he could be town but I'm more afraid that he's scummy wiggling and fooling me :/
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On September 08 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:FWIW, as much as I would like to change my opinion about you, I just can't. You're being really active here when your neck is on the line, but I feel like you're floundering around doing whatever you can to save your hide and throw mud onto everyone else. Besides you, there are 8 people in the game. Your lynch list, when you add in vader, is 6 people. You have basically the whole town down in order of who should be lynched. Then there's things like this (emphasis is my own, and spoilered cause long quotes): + Show Spoiler +On September 08 2012 02:06 Risen wrote:
You're probably right. I'm just telling you what I was responding to. Whether or not I actually responded to that specific question is irrelevant. It's probably scummy, and I'll discuss it post-game. The problem I find I have is I sit down and just type whatever comes to mind without filtering it. This leads to contradictions that shouldn't happen, and me answering things that weren't asked in the first place. If I wasn't me I'd think it was scummy, but I'd also look at all the other things I've done in thread and realize that scum wouldn't push cases so hard or with so much logic. I think my cases are very logical, something you can't say about scum cases. Now, the case being pushed on me is somewhat logical, because I've made mistakes, but it is incomplete because it doesn't look at the great good I've done in thread, instead focusing on the small blunders. This is what scum do, eventually townies make small mistakes, some more than others because some are worse, scum finds these small mistakes and exploits them. It is a townies duty not to panic and instead to continue making logical cases, that way even if I'm lynched, there are now concrete town cases in thread. That's what bugs me about prpl and anyone else in this game. Prpl responded by shitting himself openly in thread. He didn't do anything logical, he's not helping town should he be lynched. Town should play as if they're always about to take a bullet or be lynched. I don't see that from Dirk, prpl, or v7. On September 08 2012 04:31 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 04:26 Ange777 wrote:I think there is no one in the thread besides you and me. Stupid inactivity. What kind of questions were you expecting? Talking about your play should wait for the post-game discussion right? + Show Spoiler +Or where you expecting questions like what's your favorite kind of ice cream? You're probably right. I was expecting people to go through and ask questions about my play. I'd respond by saying what I was thinking at the time. By doing this people would actually read the thread and realize I'm town b/c I can respond to any "contradiction" posted in this thread, and have, to show that there are no contradictions. People still harp on it, though, b/c they're too lazy to actually read the thread. That's why v7's claim of having read through the entire thread rings really, REALLY hollow to me. I doubt he did, or if he did he skimmed it. So either lazy town or scum claiming lazy town. Post-game discussion from me will revolve around how atrocious town is, and how awesome scum is for relying on a lazy town (or rather, how sad it is that a scum team can rely on town to be lazy) As for favorite ice cream? Tie. Mint chocolate chip or cookie dough for sure. Damn that sounds tasty. In case you didn't get it from that, I'm town. We'll see what excuses derp townies come up with to excuse how bad they are. You say that you are aware that you are making contradictions because you're posting on the fly off the top of your head, then say you have no contradictions. You've flip-flopped on your reads every 30 minutes, without really PUSHING the cases. Hell, your vote isn't even on marv right now. Too many little things all add up to you being scum.
1) I've been active all day, not just when my neck was on the line, what a stupid thing to say.
2) I was under the impressions that I had made a contradiction when I wrote that. Turns out there was no contradiction, but the sentiment contained within that post remains the same. When posting as much as I do there's bound to be tiny things that pop up and seem scummy. It's pro-town to inform me of those things so I can respond to them, as I have with everything brought before me.
3) I'm not voting Marv b/c to everyone else he hasn't done anything scummy, I only know he's scum b/c I know he's smarter than all of you. Dirk Dirk, on the other hand, has done things that even townies like you can pick up on (I think?)
TL;DR: Lynch marv tomorrow.
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On September 08 2012 06:45 marvellosity wrote:
Frankly I'm afraid he could be town but I'm more afraid that he's scummy wiggling and fooling me :/
Stuff like this. Look how he gives himself a door so he can say damn, if only there had been more time. I was starting to think he was town, but not enough people were aroudn who would unvote him.
Don't listen to this. Lynch him.
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Stop being a dick Risen and use your head. You know I know that post gives me trouble and not credit.
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On September 08 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Stop being a dick Risen and use your head. You know I know that post gives me trouble and not credit.
I'm not being a dick. I know you're smarter than that, and yet you're voting for me on some very flimsy stuff. Look at your vote post, dude. I still <3 you. Scum bros for lyfe.
Lynch Marv.
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Vote Count
Risen (7): vaderseven, Dirkzor, prplhz, Keirathi, Zephirdd, marvellosity, Ange777
Dirkzor (1): Risen
vaderseven (1): Bluelightz
Not Voting (0):
Currently, Risen is set to be lynched. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
This Day ends in ~7 minutes at Friday, Sep 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
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