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On August 31 2012 11:29 Hapahauli wrote: You Kira Sympathizer YOUUUUUU! Scum obv. ##Vote MrZentor What a joke!!! ##vote: Hapahauli Also, I'm always, always, ALWAYS down for a lurker lynch. I don't think it's a bad idea at all especially considering this setup. It's going to be rapid fire 24 hour periods and people will probably find it much easier to just excuse their inactivity as "oh well I was busy" The only exception to this being the people who said they would be busy pregame so I'll give them a wash maybe (maybe) on those days. | ||
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On August 31 2012 11:34 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote: MrZentor + Show Spoiler + I'm not actually allowed to vote for myself, which is why it isn't bold, but just pretend like I did. Yeah, obv scum. >.> <.< I don't know how to take this. YOU PULLIN' A VE BRO?! | ||
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On August 31 2012 11:36 Hapahauli wrote: But in all seriousness, good to have a couple of folks around. I'd like to hear some thoughts on a policy I'm thinking of... Since we're operating on 24 hour days, there's going to be a lot of chaos on trying to get a read. On Day 1, it will be really easy for us to tunnel and kill a non-articulate townie without that extra 24 hours to take a step back and breathe. I propose that after 12-14 hours, we each take a step back from our pressures/cases (barring a major scumslip from someone) and begin to focus on those who haven't been involved in the game. It'll be very easy for mafia to hide under the chaos of 24 hour days otherwise. Thoughts? Removed your bold to add my own. Agree 100%. I don't think any lurking in this game should get a pass, even if someone breaks their hand playing volleyball. | ||
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On August 31 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see anyone make any pre-game excuses... so thankfully this isn't a concern. Also, with the OP explicity mentioning people being availible and active over the next 8 days, there's NO excuse for ANYONE to lurk. Lurking, in this setup especially, is anti-town I've never played with you, but you're stealing all my lines >.> I swear Mattchew or someone else made a pregame excuse. | ||
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On August 30 2012 01:31 Mattchew wrote: if this game starts sunday or later I can play, any earlier and I will be super inactive from friday - sunday only on my phone without much time Yup, see? | ||
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I really don't like how hapa bit sab's hook and has managed to still think it's food. + Show Spoiler + Hopeless - started off shaky to me, I don't like his "tell me if I'm lurking" blackmamba - what a weird question to ask in thread since it's posted in the OP (gonzaw smurf?). mamba comes back with a strong defense of lynch all liars while discrediting lynch all lurkers, something I disagree with, but it is placing himself out there. I disagree b/c this early in a game that requires activity like this one does, you can't have liars this early. Lynch all liars is 99% foolproof, but I would argue that the next best thing when there are no lies is to lynch lurkers. In my experience lurkers tend to be mafia more often than town (I don't know if I'm too biased here, though, as I tend to get really, really mad at people who sign up for these games and then don't contribute.) shady sands - either can't read or purposefully misunderstands mamba's question, immediately after this calls Hopeless a town player and places FoS on Hapahauli. Comes out in defense of lynching lurkers over liars b/c of one guy.......... giant shady sands mamba circle jerk in thread. shady also apparently can't keep track of how long the game has been up. following circle jerk mamba comes out and votes with shady's FoS. What? strongandbig just claimed miller. He's pretty much put himself up as a lynch candidate as the game becomes later and later, I don't know if a scum would do this, it's WIFOMy as all hell. However, we can check his claim that some will return green and some will return red easily. Palmar is awfully quiet. mamba comes in and supports sab's miller claim. Mamba seems to know a lot about people. marvel is trolling. I'm not surprised. ghost joins the trolling. sab sheds light on the matter, apparently MrZ is as bad as grush. solar jumps in and declares himself to be anti-troll. I support this message. agree with ghost, I'll have to read up on solar. ghost says it has been a while since I played, neglects my godmode performance in my last two games (ItsMarvelBabyyy hydra with marvellosity in Age of Empires and I can't remember the one before that but I'm pretty sure it involved Mattchew raging post-game like I knew he would b/c he got lynched by a troll vote from me and Dropbear giving up as the last mafia guy vs all of us) Hapa is echoing what I'm feeling right now. I'm going to be voting mamba unless something drastic happens in thread. ghost defends mamba because... ??? omg there's still 5 pages to go... HiroPro FoS on hopeless. Can't blame him. sab two to one odds on hopeless being town. magic8ball.org disagrees HiroPro asks ghost about me marvel questions ghost's reasoning b/c apparently DrH is a good player who wouldn't make a bad case ghost gives me some backup, but neglects the warm and fuzzy player I have become (unless you count me blowing up after being prodded by idiots. I don't.) Confirming the number of times marvel told me to shut up is greater than the number of posts we had in the age of kings thread ghost engages WIFOM-mode HiroPro knows I'm a Lakers fan or is down with the pop culture references. I don't know what kenpachi rule is, though. hopeless FoS on mamba, while simultaneously calling out hapa for feeling guilty. Apparently MrZ is really, REALLY bad. shady points out that node and mt are afk and have been for longer than would be expected in a game like this. holy cow a wild mt appears. Wait he posted earlier asking about MrZ. Posts when called out. Lurker status. ghost says he can't find scum motivation for mamba's post. Marvel asks why ghost has him marked as scum. ![]() hapa calls out shady as being... shady. mt points out that ghost's defense of mamba instead of letting mamba speak for himself is odd. I'm drawing the conclusion that he is drawing a connection between ghost/mamba. Wait, nevermind, he's going to vote MrZ b/c lurker. The reasoning he's using in his vote could be used against him, though. My only concern with ghost is that he seems to "know" that mamba is town. No one knows anything in mafia games except scum. I get another shoutout from mt for not going HAM like I usually do. In my defense, I haven't seen outrageously stupid play from anyone, and as I said earlier I'm the new improved version of Risen. Wow... my just posted a list that has two people I hate playing with and includes MrZ and kenpachi, two people I haven't played with but can assume also lurk like assholes. Hapa calls out mt for the weird vote, makes a mistake, edits by way of post. Made plenty of sense to me. Why doesn't it make sense to you Shady? I think the voting portion is ODD considering mt had been lurking up to that point (in my opinion), but I can understand his reasoning. Why can't you? Hapa calls out mt for wanting other's opinions instead of going with his own. It's safe play meant not to upset anybody, which I don't think necessarily means town or scum. I know sab didn't just suggest an RNG lynch. He did. He also says something about how "MrZ could change! But I'd totally be down to lynch him if he doesn't." <-- not an actual quote Suddenly a Palmar claiming town ghost! Funny connection between these two. Both seem to "know" things when they really shouldn't know anything at all. Yay mkfuba asks the question I was going to have to ask. Wait apparently from reading this quote MrZ asked it earlier? Wait that quote says July 6... OH! It's answering the question. Yeah search function, you go dude. Hapa comes out with the hard hitting questions. I'm interested in sab's response, but I almost feel like sab asked for an RNG lynch only to see who would hop on it or attack it (I feel safe pointing this out since it has already managed to ensnare one person potentially looking for an easy case) sab disagrees with policy lynches. Hapa still biting what I am now convinced is meant to be a hook. Page 12! | ||
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On September 01 2012 04:48 ghost_403 wrote: Shady, Node isn't lurking, he's not playing. We can discuss lynching him if and when he shows up. This makes sense to me kind of. Node knew what this game was when he signed up for it. Being inactive this long seems more and more lurkerish as the game gets closer to lynch imo. How am I supposed to get anything on the guy if he just comes in right before deadline with some crazy posting? | ||
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I'm going to give Shady the benefit of the doubt here and say that he's just Bad. To start off with, I can't tell whether he just didn't read the statement properly, or whether he was trying to misrepresent what mamba was saying (in the case of one, he's really bad, in the case of two, he's just bad. See where I'm going with this? This isn't American Politics. People are going to read what you're saying and "lying" about what someone means is going to get caught by someone (me!). Now Hopeless is a town player in Shady's eyes and Hapa gets the good ole FoS for calling Hopeless out. Why is calling someone out for saying something stupid grounds for an FoS? Hopeless could CLAIM that what he did was simply meant to generate discussion but I tend to only believe such claims from people I've seen do it before. Regardless, Hopeless didn't claim that, and you pretty much FoS'd someone for calling out someone who asked to be told when he was lurking. It's too WIFOM to discuss what Hopeless was trying to do here, but it isn't WIFOM to say that calling Hopeless out for doing something stupid isn't something worthy of an FoS. Also, how do you justify your feelings that Hopeless is towny from what he's written? You use a WIFOMy argument. Sure, that might be all you have, and just saying that is fine. However, you used that to back up your suspicions of another player, which is bad. Next up we have your "defense" of lynching lurkers over liars. This is really bad. Defense is in quotes because I don't think you ever really come out and say we should lynch lurkers over liars, but the implication sure is there. And how do you support your position? One guy. But that one time BM was town! I don't care. You lynch whoever is the most scummy player, and in 99% of cases the liar is that scummy player. That's really wishy washy. No longer really bad, you're bad scum trying to appear active in my mind now. See a trend here? What's this mamba/shady back and forth really about? I'm not sure anything of substance came from this. I'm not going to hold this against you, though, because if anyone ever wants to look through my filters in just about any game I'm not hydra'd with marvel on you're in for a rough time. One thing that bugged me about you here is that you already start calling lurkers out. How long has the game really been going for? Another thing that bugs me here is Mamba's voting with your earlier FoS on Hapa. This is more an indictment against Mamba than you, though. Mamba being one of my FoS's doesn't help you at all, and neither does your guys' giant discussion earlier. Now that it is much later in the game you point out that node and mamba are not posting like they should be. Fair enough, and I can get behind that. Now then. Another really bad vs bad point. How do you not understand what Mementoss is saying? You can DISAGREE with what he's saying, but to say it makes no sense? Add this to your earlier misrepresentation of mamba and you see where I start to question the line between really bad town, and bad scum. I think you're scum trying to appear active in the thread so you try and point things out that could be suspicious in other players. Any "cases" you make aren't really that fulfilling and then you vote Node. Why Node over MrZ? Surely the "active lurker" is more suspicious than the guy who might not even be playing the game/is getting modkilled. Right? It all adds up to really bad townie vs bad scum. I think you're just bad scum. ##unvote ##vote: Shady Sands | ||
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On September 01 2012 05:49 Hapahauli wrote: @ MrZentor - can I request that you vote BlackMamba24? I doubt you'll get many followers with your Palmar vote, and as it stands, we want to start narrowing down our focus over the next few hours. Why do you say this? People could easily be persuaded into voting for Palmar. I think the only thing protecting Palmar at this point is his "veteran" status. What's the difference between Palmar and MrZ right now except that MrZ actually dug and found "something"? | ||
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On September 01 2012 06:21 Hapahauli wrote: I'm trying to push a lynch on my top scumread. I really don't know what to make of Palmar, but I find BMB scummy and therefore I'll rally support on him. That makes your statement quite a bit less sinister... I thought you were just saying no one would vote Palmar. | ||
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On September 01 2012 07:52 Shady Sands wrote: Is everyone just ignoring my fucking case on ghost? Welcome to my world. I read it. I have to think about this. I wish Palmar was a viable target. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote: hey I'll be voting whatever ghost_403 is voting because I think he's town. I'm convinced that I am becoming surrounded by incompetence, so I'm going to spell out what Palmar wants us to think he's doing here. Palmar trolls. Palmar wants us to think he's trolling just to troll. Palmar watches the thread and sees who bites on his "hook". Palmar comes back with sweeping accusations and great "reads". Palmar is town. Now what would Palmar do as scum? He'd do something that made him look town. That's WIFOM, though. Palmar knows it's WIFOM. This begs the question, why is Palmar doing this? I think it's because he's the most arrogant player I've ever seen and he thinks he's smarter than all of us. He's Mattchew except at least Mattchew has the regard to tell us he thinks he's better than us. Palmar is scum. Palmar, you aren't smarter than all of us. All your style does is screw with us and leave us doubting what to do. There is no substance to analyze. I don't like this style of play and I think we're better off without someone actively trying to play mind games with the thread. Are you town? Are you scum? I don't know. I do know I want you dead because I think you're more harmful alive than dead. | ||
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Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows? He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:18 BlackMamba24 wrote: lol @ people voting for palmar You wanna actually say something useful? Oh just hopping on the Palmar is Palmar is Palmar lets give him a wash so he can bullshit every game he's in. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote: I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays. Yes, let the bad player continue to get day 1 washes bc he's the best the best the best. Screw him if he's town. Stop screwing around in games Palmar. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: And can we cut out the shit about Palmar? Exactly what does this do to catch scum? Grow a pair and vote him or don't. Oh whoops. ##unvote ##vote: Palmar Actively lurking. Trolling. Thinking he's better than us. Screws off if you're town I'm tunneling the shit out of you every game I play with you until you change. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:32 Shady Sands wrote: Risen: if Palmar flips town, and everyone votes him, exactly what do we learn from that lynch? We all learn not to be shitheads day 1. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:34 BlackMamba24 wrote: If you hate Palmar that much stop playing in games where he /ins and stop acting like a bitch. You should be modkilled for this martyr shit. Stop supporting bad play 2012. A campaign brought to you by Risen. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:02 HiroPro wrote: I don't want to lynch Palmar. The fact that he's in the lead despite there being no case against him should in itself suggest that he's town. And if Palmar is town, he's definitely someone to have around. Palmar needs a spanking. I'm pretty sure he's town as well since I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who was even angry at him and he now has 5 votes. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: yaaaay lets lynch a guy who "needs a spanking" as opposed to the guy we think is scummy wooooooo Sands is my scum read. You see any movement to kill him? I don't. I'll lynch the guy who needs to learn a lesson so I don't have to deal with this stuff later. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:12 HiroPro wrote: I'm voting for Mementoss. I have a null read on him, but I have no desire to lynch Palmar. Blackmamba has been picked as L's right so he is almost certainly town and I trust his judgement. ##Vote Mementoss Is there a reason you trust his claim 100%? I don't see why a scum would lie about that, but I don't know why a townie would openly claim that, either, unless L told him to. | ||
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He's lodging a formal complaint with the internal review board. Or something. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:22 mkfuba07 wrote: You'll have to vote for MMToss at this point to save Palmar, I believe. That's the point. He's voting me so he can say he voted for someone who was on Palmar but at the same time he isn't "saving" Palmar. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:26 Solarsail wrote: Chose you for some of the reasons I listed as well but which ones its a mystery ?? Umm... why not ALL of the reasons you listed? | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:37 Shady Sands wrote: Anyhow, what real scumreads do you have? you were my strongest scumread. Now I'll go through the whole game again and post my next case. It might be you again, it might be someone else, but the troll is dead and you weren't going to be lynched so I'm happy with how yesterday turned out. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:46 Hapahauli wrote: While I want Hiro lynched today, we also need to consider the extremely "helpful" actions of Node near the lynch deadline. Def my #2 scumread. And yet somehow Solar escapes this? It's posts like this that read as scummy to me. You're calling out one player when another did nearly the exact same thing. | ||
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On September 01 2012 11:53 Solarsail wrote: Can I just point out you've now suspecting both my town reads I mean, no one's gonna read what I write anyway because of my post but they're pretty strong town Please write up Hapa seriously, I'd be interested to see what you get. Well Hapa was one of my FoS. I'll likely come back with two cases. You should post more today since I'm going to be auto-voting lurkers after today (or maybe even today if the low posting keeps up from you, Node, Marvel, and anyone else I'm missing) | ||
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On the one hand, this feels really easy. On the other... with Palmar's flip your claim looks like some sketch shit sab. You'll always be Samus in my eyes ![]() | ||
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My case is going to focus on someone who was hard defending Palmar when they shouldn't have been. I'm going to look very hard at everyone who wasn't voting Palmar and then see what I find. | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:26 strongandbig wrote: So why can't there be both self-aware and non-self-aware millers? In a detective-based setup I don't think it's that unlikely. In response. On September 01 2012 23:44 HiroPro wrote: Suspicious Detectives are millers. I tried to get the mods to say this in the thread, but apparently they won't since it's only part of my role PM. So s&b is almost certainly lying. It's really unlikely that the setup has certain millers who are unaware (look at Palmar's role PM) and certain millers who are self-aware. And the fact that he put his vote on Palmar and then left without listening to any of the people who told him that was dumb doesn't speak well of him. ##Vote strongandbig Hiro just claimed miller. I have a hard time believing both of you are not scum. | ||
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Shady wasn't on Palmar. If he fits what I'm looking for then I'll post a continuance of my previous case. | ||
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I didn't defend Palmar at all. Why would I analyze myself? Palmar died b/c he needed to learn a lesson and on day 1 where the odds of hitting scum are low anyways I was willing to lynch him. | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:30 HiroPro wrote: I'm not a miller lol. I'm a cop. Ah... well ok. Anyways. Sab the thing that bothers me most is how you suddenly shift to suspicious only after a certain number of people are dead? What's the point of that from a game mechanics perspective? Is a cop supposed to continuously check you? If it's random as you say then why would they even bother checking you again if you came back green? If they did they'd see someone who shifted from green to suspicious and they'd push a lynch on you. If you came back red they'd push a lynch on you. It seems like your role is too "fantastic" in that, if it is as you claim, it was designed to force you to claim. If you had claimed everything you're now saying at the start maybe it would be believable. Saying it AFTER being called out and AFTER seeing what Palmar flipped seems disingenuous. | ||
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On September 02 2012 05:56 strongandbig wrote: also mementoss's case on ghost looks like the most decent case other than "there can't be more than one kind of miller" so ##vote: ghost_420 This should give anyone serious second thoughts on whether ghost is scum... You lied man. It's day 2, discussion has been stagnant b/c all of day 2 has been taken up by this. I wish HiroPro had waited to post that until at least half the day was gone. We could have gotten some serious discussion to take place and that would give us a lot more to look at. Now we're going to have to case I post on HiroPro right before deadline and the case against ghost, which is invalid in my mind if sab flips red. There's not that many connections left where scum could be hiding if sab turns out to be town (and if he's scum we get breathing room b/c people are dying way faster than I expected in this game) | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:01 marvellosity wrote: mementoss, anyone. what do you think of the different types of miller (self-aware, aware)? i'm going out again really soon so prompt responses are appreciated. I have 6 people round me wondering why i'm tippy-tappying on my laptop >.> Is it a possibility? Sure. Would have been made a million times easier had Palmar not trolled and claimed in thread before dying, but whatever. As it stands, I don't think the odds are high enough and setup speculation isn't exactly going to save sab. We can discuss this after his lynch. | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:05 marvellosity wrote: no, we discuss it before the lynch, that's the entire fucking point. I just discussed it. There's really nothing else to be said........ | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:17 marvellosity wrote: that's because you're bad risen. anyone else?? mementoss said what i thought about the roles: "Im not the host how would I know anything about the roles?" is it reasonable there's different types of millers? Yes it's reasonable. It's even relevant, but at this point sab is the lynch b/c of his actions. It's not that he lied, it's not that he was inconsistent, it's that he did both. | ||
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On September 02 2012 10:45 MrZentor wrote: Okay, so this lynch didn't really tell us anything, because he was a traitor. Great.... It told us there was quite the last minute effort to save sab. How is that telling us nothing? | ||
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On September 02 2012 10:48 Shady Sands wrote: Because how the heck could scum know he was the traitor? 1) sab is the traitor 2) he's acting scummy and he lies in thread 3) scum team realizes he's traitor 4) effort to save traitor happens 5) you guys fail to save him and now come in here acting oblivious | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Awesome on two counts! I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust. Probulous I'm assuming is some sort of kingmaker (?) - and he made VE king to lynch BH. Prob has also said that Chezinu is some sort of rolecop: Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role? I forgot who said it (was quite recently) that scum and town may have mirror/similar abilities. Sandroba was a clear instance of a town messenger - use ability to find out scum. Chezinu or whoever is sending seems like they are sending messages of confusion (house of Chezinu etc.). In any case I still have to do more rereading & filtering in light of the new information influx. Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2012 17:27 strongandbig wrote: Good morning, everyone! So I've been reading some discussion about this from past games, and I've decided to come forth and claim. I am a self-aware miller. I'm going to use this post to explain myself and my claim. Hopefully I'll do it well, but I'll also do my best to respond to questions, as well as just to establish my townieness through my play. So first off, why claim now? Well, it's clearly now or never. Millers claiming after they're checked are completely useless - in fact, they're worse than useless since they give actual scum cover to hide and potentially waste a lynch. Second, why claim at all? Well, the main reason is that everyone in this game is a detective. Usually, the main miller mechanic is that the presence of millers puts some doubt on a DT check and people actually have to discuss it. In a game with 30 people and one or two each of detectives and millers, it's pretty unlikely that the miller actually gets targeted with a DT check. (Unless you have a troll host who makes like the best three townies non-self-aware millers, thank you very much BC.) But, like I said, in this game everyone is a detective. I know VTs don't get to actually make DT checks - I guess Zeph wasn't lying when he said he would send everyone in the game a copy of the VT role PM. However, in a setup where everyone is a "detective", I expect that there will be a large number of roles which actually do have DT checks. This means that it's much more likely than normal for a miller to get DT checked. So, it's more important than usual for millers to claim early in this setup. If a non-claimed miller gets DT checked and returns scum, it just fucks with the town and could potentially waste an entire day's lynch. It's much better for the millers to claim on day 1 and then show they're town through their behavior. Like I said before, people claiming miller after day 1 are actively playing anti-town and should be destroyed. So finally, what should this mean for the town and for me? Well, it obviously puts an onus on me to show I'm town through my play. That's fine, I'm going to do my best to live up to that. It is a very exciting time for my experiment, but I can and will post as much as I can from work, as well as both before and after work. I'm also going to do my best to find scum (although historically I tend to be more successful at judging other peoples' cases and less at making my own, but that's why we have other players to judge my cases as well). For the rest of the town - it means you have to think critically about what I say. Am I pushing scum objectives? If so, lynch me. Am I promoting useful discussion that gets info out into the thread, or am I promoting trolling, spam, and ragefests? If any of the latter, lynch me. Are my cases good or bad? If they're bad, don't lynch me - bad cases =\= scum. Just tell me why you think they're bad, and see how I respond. It also means you have to think critically about what other people are saying about me. Putting myself out as a miller should naturally draw attention to me, and that's something scum could try and piggy-back or bandwagon on. If people say I'm scum, think critically about their cases and their motivations. So let's go town! PRE-EDIT: I should be a little bit more specific. I don't know whether checks on me will return scum or town - all I'm told is that some checks on me will return scum instead of town. I speculate that there are different types of DT check in this game and I am only a miller to some of them - maybe L has special DT powers, and one of their advantages is that they are immune to some or all millers? I also don't know whether it's likely to have more than one or two millers in such a small setup, but having a lot of DT power roles could mean we have more millers than normal. If there are other self-aware millers, they should claim asap as well, or else never claim at all. PRE-EDIT TWO: I AM IN EUROPE. This means I will be asleep for deadline; it's at 4:30AM my time. I'll do my best to compensate for this during the days here. See any similarities? I wasn't going to say anything, though, because I wanted to see whether a save attempt would come, and guess what? Come it did. Had it built any real steam I would have pointed this out and we would have gotten the sab lynch. Now we have scum who tripped over themselves to try and save the traitor. 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On September 02 2012 11:20 Shady Sands wrote: What makes you think the scumteam would want to *save* a possible traitor? I can't even tell if this is a real question or not. | ||
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On September 02 2012 11:24 Shady Sands wrote: This is a real question. Let's say scumteam saves a traitor by going all out and all voting for an innocent townie. Townie flips green. Wouldn't the town then proceed to lynch the traitor the next day, and the proceed to lynch the rest of the scumteam for that? Now think about it this way: scum always needs to build towncred. But building towncred via bussing means sacrificing a contributing scum member. Instead, why not sacrifice a traitor whom the team can't communicate with, and whom the town already suspects? You're neglecting the fact that at this point in the game there's still a lot more town than scum. In anything like this split vote you're going to have townies on both sides. This gives scum the chance to screw things up, and having sab's extra vote at that point is really good. Also, how does the person they swap to flipping green confirm sab as traitor? I was convinced he was a traitor because of what I found, but how would a town flip that confirm him to YOU? | ||
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On September 02 2012 11:35 Shady Sands wrote: Is HiroPro confirmed town? IF NOT, THEN HOW WAS I ON A WAGON TO GET A TOWNIE LYNCHED? You were on a wagon that would have saved a traitor. D1 Palmar, though trollsy as fuck is still confirmed town, says ghost is his town read. D2 he's one of the top lynch candidates. You think both lynch candidates were scum? (I'm asking if you still think ghost is scum, weird slip with hiropro and ghost, though. Is hiropro a scum partner?) All three of those add to Ghost being a bad lynch candidate, in my mind. Am I using information we've gained POST FLIP to make that judgement? Yes. | ||
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I don't know how this slipped my notice before, but I think there's heavy significance to mkfuba07's vote on shady. It obviously wasn't a serious vote, so why else would he vote shady? Probably b/c if he votes ghost that means only one person has to swap and ghost gets lynched instead of sab (tie means sab gets lynched b/c he hit 5 first). At this point, mkfuba07 comes back and says oh well you case has convinced me mt, I'm going to vote ghost, too. Boom. Suddenly he's the deciding vote, but he's not the one who swapped off sab. I'm not going to put my vote on him, b/c I suspected shady of being apart of the same "plan" and he flipped green, but for now I'll ##unvote and I'll go back through the filters. I feel like I'm the only one in the thread who's even trying to make cases on people :/ | ||
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On September 03 2012 03:05 marvellosity wrote: I have a message from L, received just now. It says that the person to listen to is the cop. So... HiroPro... thoughts? Just got back. Will build case now. | ||
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My guess is that MrZ's play has been illogical as well or something. | ||
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On September 03 2012 03:37 MrZentor wrote: But he also agreed to lynching Palmar. So he can't really blame me for that. Is Risen mafia? No, I don't blame you for lynching Palmar. Saying that is stupid and just trying to muddy up the issue. I blame you for lynching Palmar, then proceeding to try and lynch Palmar's town read. All the while not voting sab who you initially voted for, then decided ghost was the way to go since you couldn't "form a wagon" on shady. Then when traitor flips you insist on the flip being useless, when it is far from it. Then you say it's not possible for anyone to know he was traitor when I was distinctly aware of the possibility. | ||
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On September 03 2012 03:52 MrZentor wrote: I was joking.... Sheeshh. You're way too serious. Exactly what parts were you joking about? There's a lot there that you could have been "joking" about. | ||
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On September 03 2012 04:21 mkfuba07 wrote: Not sure whether to be glad or nervous that I was completely ignored on Zentor's list... He'd probably label you as shady. Apparently everyone who isn't dead is shady except marvel and the cop claim. Because faking a claim in a game where the "detectives" can't really detect is wayyyy too high level thinking for anyone to do. | ||
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((On a more serious note, gg scum, I honestly didn't see it coming)) 8 hours to endgame? ![]() ##vote HiroPro so I can claim I did my best to play to my win condition. | ||
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I know HiroPro is one of the remaining scum b/c cop checks on me return detective. There are no framers in this setup. There are a lot of ways I could have played this differently and honestly I wish I hadn't been made L b/c I raged a lot day 1 at Palmar. I'm willing to accept a lot of the blame for that lynch and subsequently losing the game, but I think Palmar is just as equally to blame. Turns out it ISN'T mylo or lylo, but the game is over after I'm lynched by my reasoning. There's 7 of us left. I think there's 2 scum left (two scum, one traitor makes sense to me balance-wise) So that makes it 5-2. Mislynch today makes it 4-2, they get one kill tomorrow (I'm sending up fifty prayers it's only one and the other kills the past two days have been traitor and a hidden vig somewhere), makes it 3-2 (Ghost is getting shot if he's town for reasons explained one paragraph down). HiroPro gets lynched, makes it 3-1, now scum just needs one mislynch. 2-1, scum shoots someone, 1-1, game over. So it turns out it isn't mylo. The remaining townies are going to have a 33% chance if they RNG their target. Odds are that the final four are going to be Node, marvel, fuba, hopeless. Who do you lynch out of that group? None of you have contributed jack shit. It's going to be "Let's play a game called RNG the lurker lynch woooo!" I screwed up this game. I admit it fully, but at least I didn't screw us over by lurking and creating this stupid situation in the endgame where everyone remaining is a lurker or by trolling day 1 so I get lynched stupidly. | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote: So wait..you're L. You gave marv the message to "trust the cop", the cop in this case being HiroPro. According to you, our Cop is in fact SCUM. You kidding me? I didn't say I played perfectly. On September 04 2012 05:02 mkfuba07 wrote: I want to hear Risen's response to what Hiro said about marv's post. @Risen: Why did you trust Hiro's cop claim? Is this semi-mason power your only ability as L? No. When I die L power passes to whoever my rhm is. I already addressed what marv said. Nvm, no I didn't. I thought I was going to get killed so I told marv to trust the cop checks, he would know he could choose a new rhm when I died. I haven't died yet. I now know that somehow scum figured out I was L or at least a power role so they didn't need to off me, just claim a red check. | ||
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Hiro/ghost scum team? Doesn't really matter if I'm lynched. I'm kind of excited to see who the other scum team member is. Is it one of the lurkers? I'd guess so, but a ghost/hiro team makes sense to me. How did hiro make a cop claim and then live this long? | ||
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Yup, don't even knoiw why I bothered coming back. | ||
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On August 27 2012 04:07 Zephirdd wrote: Setup and Role information
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On September 04 2012 05:43 HiroPro wrote: sigh fuba you haven't realized by now? I'm L. I'm a cop and I also got a lot of other cool powers. It should be fairly obvious now why all of the messages tell you to listen to me. Oh hey, that's convenient. You're probably bulletproof and have dodged scum kills for this long as well, eh? Please, tell us all your mighty powers. Such bullshit. | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:46 HiroPro wrote: ![]() It was rhetorical. The more you say the more chances for you to get caught up in a lie before deadline, why say anything beyond your "counterclaim" at all. | ||
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On September 03 2012 20:51 marvellosity wrote: L: "the cop's target should be lynched." kinda unnecessary. Scum really did openly just vote to lynch a townie then O.o ##Vote: Risen On September 04 2012 05:47 HiroPro wrote: btw there is no "L's servant" lol Whoops. | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:42 mkfuba07 wrote: Anyone have an L counterclaim? Until then: ##Unvote I have a question about voting. does this: Scum wins when their number is equal or more than town's number. override this:5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched. I ask because if we mislynch D3 it will result in the teams being 3 town/2 scum (if I've done my math right, it's currently 5-2, with a mislynch and today's scumkill = 3-2). If the three town vote for someone before the two scum vote for someone, will the town vote have priority over the scum vote since it was the person with the most votes first? Or is it instant scum win when it's 2-2? This you trying to gain town cred just in case Hiro slipped up/did something else stupid like he just did? | ||
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That's pretty cool. You can quote dead people who have no chance to respond at all. | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Hiro shot Hapa Servant =\= Right-Hand (or Left-Hand) Man Risen it doesn't matter anymore. It's your claim vs his and I trust his more. If we haven't been endgamed, he's going to be immediately lynched. If we're dead, well that sucks. Fair enough. Gg scum. | ||
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1) Risen is telling the truth, endgame. 2) Risen isn't telling the truth, Hiro is, why would you lynch him? Pretty stupid argument you've got there for yourself. | ||
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That is way different than what you just said. Lynching the townie is endgame here. That's all there is to it. There is no, well maybe we lynch a townie and still get to live. | ||
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On September 04 2012 06:03 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't know that there is or isn't going to be a tomorrow. Perhaps Kira is all alone with more traitors that must join him. In any case, your "from my perspective" argument assumes that between you and Hiro: - one of you is town and one of you is scum - We're at MYLO Given those conditions, I think you're Scum and HiroPro is town. No, you think I'm scum to the extent that you're not willing to forward a no lynch in a mylo situation. | ||
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One thing sums up this game: dat Palmar lynch. | ||
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Most chatter was on skype about how bad I am and how much worse town is. Rofl. | ||
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On September 06 2012 12:27 Zephirdd wrote: 2 millers Risen. ghost was a miller too also I might add EVERYTHING went as wrongly as possible: HiroPro checked marv, who was godfather, and proceeded to waste a check in order to protect him on a cycle, as well as giving him the mason status and ultimately the M role, which made mkfuba use his ability to protect him. Any shred of competent case work done by anyone would have shown that I never called marvel out EVER lol. Also the fact that Marvel had like no thread presence until after Hiro died lol. I realized my mistakes after they were made this game, but it didn't matter :D | ||
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FUCKING MAMBA AND L VIGI POWERS!!!! Rofl. I would have pulled it off, too. Node was with me, fuba would have been with me, last second marvel swap and boom. Scum just wins. | ||
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