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On September 09 2012 00:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:21 Shady Sands wrote:
Thanks.
Ergo, we have no way to verify BKE's claim... Right. Either he's a watcher OR he chose a fakeclaim so bad it could be disproven pretty much by flips alone. And it wasn't a pressure claim, he was getting called out all yesterday, then claimed while nobody was doing anything. I'm currently believing the claim since it seems like a giant risk to take when you're already down 2. Heck, why go with a terrible fake claim when you could name anything?
BM, where you at? We discussed scum having/not having some sort of leader earlier. I'd like to hear your updated thoughts. Ottoxlol flipped town, so it's not a case where mattchew/ottox/gravan all messed up and looked scummy D1. 2 vets died, so they're not options as some sort of mafia general, commanding the troops. Now we've got this BKE claim. Do you believe that claim? Are there players you could see saying, "hey you, go make a terrible fakeclaim that's so bad people will have trouble thinking it's from scum"? I don't see BKE, if scum, going that route, because you don't really gain anything compared to a better fake claim.
Well he kind of is about to be lynched. Sure it's a risk if you're already down by 2 but what other options do you have? Not claim and getting lynched without saying a word surely isn't going to improve the situation for his team either if he's mafia.
I just really don't buy the "BM24 was the guy being suicide bombed" thing at all.
And on the I don't see him going for this claim instead of a better one as mafia: There really isn't a lot.
Tracker and Watcher are almost impossible to claim unless you do it the way he did it. If we let him survive to prove his claim he can just call being rb-ed all game long (you don't get notifications but the RB still happens so you probably get SOMETHING back like "no result")
Vig is the easiest fakeclaim ever for mafia, mad hatter is pretty much impossible to prove as well.
Claiming Medic and Jailer sucks for obvious reasons.
There really isn't a good alternative for mafia in this game.
oh and I haven't actually voted yet so
##vote: BKE
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On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why?
Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY.
BECASUE.......................................................................................................
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On September 09 2012 00:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:21 Shady Sands wrote:
Thanks.
Ergo, we have no way to verify BKE's claim... Right. Either he's a watcher OR he chose a fakeclaim so bad it could be disproven pretty much by flips alone. And it wasn't a pressure claim, he was getting called out all yesterday, then claimed while nobody was doing anything. I'm currently believing the claim since it seems like a giant risk to take when you're already down 2. Heck, why go with a terrible fake claim when you could name anything?
BM, where you at? We discussed scum having/not having some sort of leader earlier. I'd like to hear your updated thoughts. Ottoxlol flipped town, so it's not a case where mattchew/ottox/gravan all messed up and looked scummy D1. 2 vets died, so they're not options as some sort of mafia general, commanding the troops. Now we've got this BKE claim. Do you believe that claim? Are there players you could see saying, "hey you, go make a terrible fakeclaim that's so bad people will have trouble thinking it's from scum"? I don't see BKE, if scum, going that route, because you don't really gain anything compared to a better fake claim.
I have to be honest, Im just laying it out. In XIII Newbie, I was One-Shot and didn't claim and everyone said I should've. I don't want to make the same mistake. I know me getting GK back is useless, but I need town to know what you guys will be lynching. Medic should not claim definetly(if we have one and they acted), else we both die. I picked BC primarily for the reason that Matt was his first pick and he was using the lynch to look around for other scum. He was speaking with really solid logic and had a few scum reads already. DrH was under a bit of fire, so I wasn't sure if scum was going to let that sit and develop. I didn't think Toad was active enough to be killed that night, but he had by then moved to my town list due to his response to my case.
Just to make it clear I think
Shady and Mav are scum
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On September 09 2012 00:50 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:26 austinmcc wrote:On September 09 2012 00:21 Shady Sands wrote:
Thanks.
Ergo, we have no way to verify BKE's claim... Right. Either he's a watcher OR he chose a fakeclaim so bad it could be disproven pretty much by flips alone. And it wasn't a pressure claim, he was getting called out all yesterday, then claimed while nobody was doing anything. I'm currently believing the claim since it seems like a giant risk to take when you're already down 2. Heck, why go with a terrible fake claim when you could name anything?
BM, where you at? We discussed scum having/not having some sort of leader earlier. I'd like to hear your updated thoughts. Ottoxlol flipped town, so it's not a case where mattchew/ottox/gravan all messed up and looked scummy D1. 2 vets died, so they're not options as some sort of mafia general, commanding the troops. Now we've got this BKE claim. Do you believe that claim? Are there players you could see saying, "hey you, go make a terrible fakeclaim that's so bad people will have trouble thinking it's from scum"? I don't see BKE, if scum, going that route, because you don't really gain anything compared to a better fake claim. I have to be honest, Im just laying it out. In XIII Newbie, I was One-Shot and didn't claim and everyone said I should've. I don't want to make the same mistake. I know me getting GK back is useless, but I need town to know what you guys will be lynching. Medic should not claim definetly(if we have one and they acted), else we both die. I picked BC primarily for the reason that Matt was his first pick and he was using the lynch to look around for other scum. He was speaking with really solid logic and had a few scum reads already. DrH was under a bit of fire, so I wasn't sure if scum was going to let that sit and develop. I didn't think Toad was active enough to be killed that night, but he had by then moved to my town list due to his response to my case. Just to make it clear I think Shady and Mav are scum
I would actually like to hear what you suspect happened on N1 - who did what, from your point of view. What was the scenario?
Also, unless I am missing it, did you actually make any kind of case against Shady?
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OK 1:30 am Have only skimmed the thread. Been playing LOL and GW2. So I need to get a vote down ASAP. I am not going to vote for the blue claim. That is just retarded. BKE is not the best lynch. If he is lying it will become apparent. It is a short sighted play for scum. Far too risky. Super tired. But Grush is scum.
He defends BKE after hapa's case.
On September 08 2012 06:23 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 21:29 Hapahauli wrote:On September 07 2012 14:48 Bill Murray wrote:
id love to lynch maverick or hapahauli
why are people voting BKE?
can i get a summary of the case? BKE "Fail-Bussed" MattchewRead the bolded segment below (occurs right before Palmar confirms the Mattchew fakeclaim). On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote:
About Mattchew (who I think is town):
Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. BKE states that fake-claiming isn't enough to lynch Mattchew. Hell the entire post is wishy-washy for reasons I pointed out in the case earlier. It's a very scummy post overall, but the "fake-claiming" bit is the most important, because BKE turns around two pages later after the mod confirmation and does this: On September 05 2012 00:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew
Wow. Mattchew hadn't posted anything in the interim to, as BKE put it, "sound scummy." BKE went from not wanting to lynch Mattchew for a fake-claim, and then when everyone jumped on Mattchew, treated the fake-claim like a huge scum-slip. That's all you need to know really. It's indefensible. He said that it wasn't enough to lynch because it wasn't confirmed.After Palmar confirmed him not knowing then he voted for him, like everyone else.
On September 08 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
This reminds me of LVI where BKE got mislynched and he was way scummier that game.
When called out on it he backs away at a million miles an hour.
On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him.
On September 08 2012 07:13 grush57 wrote:
OK OK I SHEEP LIKE EVERYONE ELSE NOW
##Vote: BroodKingExe
Let's see him flip :D
On September 08 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote:
But.
STARSENSES.
So, will losing a townie help?
That is the question.
Anyways we'll see what BKE flips and we'll go from there.
He sheep's after being pressured. But hints that he thinks/knows BKE will Flip green.
He then moves from attacking the case on BKE to stating it is the best case we have. AFTER HE CLAIMS BLUE. Which if anything should make him doubt the case even more. But he transitions from sceptic to sheeping to pushing.
On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
Sigh, STARSENSES PEOPLE.
I realized it too, whenever I post like 5 times ina row it just completely shits up the thread. The lvdr thing was because when I was going to look at BKE's filter I saw lvdr and a bunch of other lurkers. I NEVER hard defended him I just pointed out a flaw in your case. When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now.
Yep this is too weird. It seems like he was trying to gain town cred from questioning a mislynch. Hints at inside info and reference the flip constantly like he knows he will flip green. When he is revealed to be blue he changes tack and goes from doubting TO PUSHING FOR THE LYNCH OF A CLAIMED WATCHER. This should if anything make him doubt the BKE lynch even more than he had already expressed, but it does the opposite.
##Vote: grush57
Caveat: This case is somewhat associative in that it assumes that BKE is telling the truth. However I am 100% against lynching a blue claim as previous games/coaching have told me this is a mistake. If BKE is lying it should be relatively easy to catch later on. He is a bad lynch. Don't do it.
Night guys.
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Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning?
On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE.......................................................................................................
This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate.
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I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time...
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On September 09 2012 00:50 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:26 austinmcc wrote:On September 09 2012 00:21 Shady Sands wrote:
Thanks.
Ergo, we have no way to verify BKE's claim... Right. Either he's a watcher OR he chose a fakeclaim so bad it could be disproven pretty much by flips alone. And it wasn't a pressure claim, he was getting called out all yesterday, then claimed while nobody was doing anything. I'm currently believing the claim since it seems like a giant risk to take when you're already down 2. Heck, why go with a terrible fake claim when you could name anything?
BM, where you at? We discussed scum having/not having some sort of leader earlier. I'd like to hear your updated thoughts. Ottoxlol flipped town, so it's not a case where mattchew/ottox/gravan all messed up and looked scummy D1. 2 vets died, so they're not options as some sort of mafia general, commanding the troops. Now we've got this BKE claim. Do you believe that claim? Are there players you could see saying, "hey you, go make a terrible fakeclaim that's so bad people will have trouble thinking it's from scum"? I don't see BKE, if scum, going that route, because you don't really gain anything compared to a better fake claim. I have to be honest, Im just laying it out. In XIII Newbie, I was One-Shot and didn't claim and everyone said I should've. I don't want to make the same mistake. I know me getting GK back is useless, but I need town to know what you guys will be lynching. Medic should not claim definetly(if we have one and they acted), else we both die. I picked BC primarily for the reason that Matt was his first pick and he was using the lynch to look around for other scum. He was speaking with really solid logic and had a few scum reads already. DrH was under a bit of fire, so I wasn't sure if scum was going to let that sit and develop. I didn't think Toad was active enough to be killed that night, but he had by then moved to my town list due to his response to my case. Just to make it clear I think Shady and Mav are scum
Er what lol? Where's your case on me? Or are you just sheeping GRush?
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On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate.
exactly. That vote grush did is incredible bad. It's meaningless at this point of time, especially given his explanation.
On top of that it's not committing at all.
What kind of townie would go around throwing his vote away like that?
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On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE.......................................................................................................
Actually I didn't even know Toad's case on you existed, else why would I ask him what he thought of you?
And of course you need to explain why, since what you're saying is that meta suggests we shouldn't lynch BKE but somehow he is your best candidate. Those are two mutually contradictory sentences.
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On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time...
It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it.
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On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate.
I'd be willing to hop onto a GRush wagon.
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On September 09 2012 01:23 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate. I'd be willing to hop onto a GRush wagon.
LOL scummy shady. I don't know if that post will help or hinder this. 
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On September 09 2012 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time... It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it.
Of course it's bad to lynch a watcher but we can't consider that a reason to not lynch him and have to take both lynching a VT and a Watcher as equally bad.
If we don't we're giving mafia the easiest time ever to just get in here "LOL I'm a mad hatter" and everyone insta unvotes because of something that can't be proven at all.
That being said I still dislike the BKE lynch right now and would prefere a grush lynch.
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On September 09 2012 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time... It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it. Of course it's bad to lynch a watcher but we can't consider that a reason to not lynch him and have to take both lynching a VT and a Watcher as equally bad. If we don't we're giving mafia the easiest time ever to just get in here "LOL I'm a mad hatter" and everyone insta unvotes because of something that can't be proven at all. That being said I still dislike the BKE lynch right now and would prefere a grush lynch.
Hmm I hadn't thought of that. In my last game The scummiest player claimed vig after a vig shot. He was so scummy no one believed him and he was lynched, In the obs QT Marv said that lynching blue claims was something newbies loved to do. I understand your point about all scum making easy claims. But this wagon smells. Grush smells. I skimmed through the thread and alarm bells started blaring in my head.
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I'm believing BKE's claim right now. Toad, I see you've changed your tune, but I don't see why you'd claim watcher instead of vig or hatter, doctor, anything that couldn't really be disproven. Everyone IMMEDIATELY jumped on the watcher claim because it was so demonstrably odd based on flips. That's not the right fakeclaim to throw out as mafia. Could be the perfect fakeclaim given that it's so unlikely to be from mafia, but I'm still buying it.
I do not want to lynch Grush. Grush is an EASY MISLYNCH EVERY DANG GAME. Moreover, Grush was already slightly pushed earlier. Scum realizes the BKE mislynch may be falling away, just hopping over to a new candidate. Grush is a bad lynch right now, and mafia is using him to get a mislynch even after the BKE wagon fell apart.
I would like some serious discussion about Toad as an outside lynch candidate. Will put together some reasoning and posts and get them in here, but I think we should discuss him. Mav deserves a look as an option, he's been popping up as scummy to a lot of people, yet the lynch just laserbeams right onto Grush after BKE, with no discussion of other options. We've got so many people not weighing in here, that just voted BKE yesterday and then haven't been around. Any of those people here? Any thoughts?
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On September 06 2012 15:56 BroodKingEXE wrote:Lurker albeit but what he has posted is scummy as fuck. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 18:22 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote:
Just like with any other normal miller role, nosy neighbours do not know they are nosy neighbours whoa what? Just got back into this thread. I'll read through it later (when I wake up) but for now, ##Vote Mattchew Votes for Mattchew... Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:20 Shady Sands wrote:On September 05 2012 05:12 grush57 wrote:
Well, looks like Mattchew slipped and all the noobs on his team are now scrambling.
So....
##Vote: Mattchew
Miltonkram after this lynch?(Assuming that Mattchew flips scum which he will) Why are you piling on Miltonkram? AFAIK you didn't even offer a single post on the entire Mattchew debacle and now you're trying to chainsaw defend Hapa by drawing associative scumtells? Ravages Grush for voting for Mattchew?! As far as I can see, you put in as much input on the Mattchew debacle as him, considering you talked to him about it( clicky). At that point it didn't even matter cause he got caught with a scummy fakeclaim. Other than that he's supported lynching lurkers and publicly announcing blue actions.
This post, I forgot to put his name in red the first time.
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On September 09 2012 01:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:23 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate. I'd be willing to hop onto a GRush wagon. LOL scummy shady. I don't know if that post will help or hinder this.
Not sure why that's scummy. I made my PoV on GRush pretty clear before you posted your case.
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On September 09 2012 01:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:On September 09 2012 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time... It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it. Of course it's bad to lynch a watcher but we can't consider that a reason to not lynch him and have to take both lynching a VT and a Watcher as equally bad. If we don't we're giving mafia the easiest time ever to just get in here "LOL I'm a mad hatter" and everyone insta unvotes because of something that can't be proven at all. That being said I still dislike the BKE lynch right now and would prefere a grush lynch. Hmm I hadn't thought of that. In my last game The scummiest player claimed vig after a vig shot. He was so scummy no one believed him and he was lynched, In the obs QT Marv said that lynching blue claims was something newbies loved to do. I understand your point about all scum making easy claims. But this wagon smells. Grush smells. I skimmed through the thread and alarm bells started blaring in my head.
well yeah I agree. I really don't like the situation we're in right now. Lynching BKE sounds really stupid right now and I don't like Grush's attitude at all.
I'm going to vote for Grush. I've still got about an hour left before I have to go so let's see what we can do and whether or not it's possible.
##vote Grush
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On September 09 2012 01:33 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:25 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:23 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate. I'd be willing to hop onto a GRush wagon. LOL scummy shady. I don't know if that post will help or hinder this. Not sure why that's scummy. I made my PoV on GRush pretty clear before you posted your case.
It was sort of a joke. based on me thinking you are scummy. Not important.
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