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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 07:06 GMT
#1181
On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-.

Shouldn't you have also gotten back Blackmamba as well? Or was Black not concurrently killed by the suicide bomber?
Что?
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 08 2012 08:31 GMT
#1182
On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-.
This doesn´t really help, you or us. There´s no new information, or at least no new relevant information, a typical scumclaim in that it doesn´t give town anything, and an assassin could throw it together from public information. Your claim doesn´t help town, nor change the case.

Anyway, explain your reasoning, why visit BC?

Further, you are preparing a case, on whom? Who is your big scumread?
:3
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 08 2012 11:24 GMT
#1183
mkfuba07 replaces Lvdr, effective immediately.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 08 2012 11:45 GMT
#1184
Hi all!

I'm here now, and I'll be trying to catch up in the thread for the next few hours. Hopefully I'll be ready to start really contributing soon.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 08 2012 11:57 GMT
#1185
bke your claim makes no sense, you really should elaborate and not wait too long for it...
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 13:26 GMT
#1186
Hapa, what do you think about the BKE claim?
Что?
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 08 2012 13:59 GMT
#1187
On September 08 2012 16:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Unless someone claims a vig shot on GK, you're supposed to be dead right now. That was worse than Mattchew's claim.


I am not sure that someone could post something worse than Matt's claim . Although I agree with Hopeless here for the most part - unless BKE can really 'wow' me with a fleshed out argument/story about him being a watcher, his unexplained flip-floppiness is damning enough to compel me to vote for him.
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 08 2012 14:02 GMT
#1188
Another thought - Shady has been fairly quiet this game. All his posts indicate that he is reading the thread and keeping abreast of it himself, but his posts just kind of answer or ask questions. I am interested to hear if you have any reads, Shady?

Anyway, it might be worth it for everybody to take a peek at his short filter.
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 08 2012 14:12 GMT
#1189
EBWOP (is that the right acronym?):

Now that I have actually thought about it, I feel kinda foolish. BKE can't actually be a watcher, can he? GK suicide bombed on somebody - killing everyone who was watching/tracking/nosy neighbouring that player in the process.

Since otto was almost certainly vig'd, and BC was probably the target of the suicide bomb (being a veteran player) if BKE was watching BC he has to be dead too. Just thinking out loud here, since my above post agreeing with hopeless wasn't cleanly thought through.

And then, if DrH was the suicide bomber target, then BKE wouldn't have turned up GK when he 'watched him'.

Do I have this right?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 08 2012 14:14 GMT
#1190
On September 08 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-.

Shouldn't you have also gotten back Blackmamba as well? Or was Black not concurrently killed by the suicide bomber?

He's saying:
Blackmamba got targeted by the Suicider
BC got shot by GK only

If DrH had visited BC and got killed by the suicider as well he himself would have died as well for visiting BC. Therefore that's not an option.

So we've got 3 problems with that claim imo:
  • It gives us nothing. Anyone could have done that claim
  • supposedly DrH got targeted by a suicide bomber. I would have guessed mafia are trying to kill watchers / medics and therefore targeted BC with the suicide bomber. But that's just my take on who looked better n1
  • Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing


Something's fishy here.
##vote BKE

Only got like 3 more hours time right now. I'm going to have friends at my place again and it's possible I'm going to miss the deadline so if there's something important tell me NOW.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 08 2012 14:15 GMT
#1191
On September 08 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-.

Shouldn't you have also gotten back Blackmamba as well? Or was Black not concurrently killed by the suicide bomber?

He's saying:
BC got targeted by the Suicider
Blackmamba got shot by GK only

If DrH had visited BC and got killed by the suicider as well he himself would have died as well for visiting BC. Therefore that's not an option.

So we've got 3 problems with that claim imo:
  • It gives us nothing. Anyone could have done that claim
  • supposedly DrH got targeted by a suicide bomber. I would have guessed mafia are trying to kill watchers / medics and therefore targeted BC with the suicide bomber. But that's just my take on who looked better n1
  • Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing


Something's fishy here.
##vote BKE

Only got like 3 more hours time right now. I'm going to have friends at my place again and it's possible I'm going to miss the deadline so if there's something important tell me NOW.

EBWOP
mixed the names up, sry
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 08 2012 14:17 GMT
#1192
oh god, still mixed up... you know what I am talking about right?^^

BM can't be the target of the suicide bomber because if that'd be the case BKE would be dead by now as well, if his claim is legit.
Therefore BC was targeted by the suicide bomber according to BKE and BM got shot by a single mafia hit, which is incredible weird.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 14:29 GMT
#1193
On September 08 2012 23:02 Gravan wrote:
Another thought - Shady has been fairly quiet this game. All his posts indicate that he is reading the thread and keeping abreast of it himself, but his posts just kind of answer or ask questions. I am interested to hear if you have any reads, Shady?

Anyway, it might be worth it for everybody to take a peek at his short filter.

Right now, my main read is on BKE, both because of Hapa's case and his bad claim.

Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here:

On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:
K.
Medics on Toad and BC and BM.
Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers.
Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has.


This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing.

Then he responds to the BKE case by questioning evidence without offering his own read (a classic instance of someone who wants to poke at a case without revealing their own opposition to it); then starts soft defending BKE:

On September 08 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
This reminds me of LVI where BKE got mislynched and he was way scummier that game.


while trying to deflect attention to Lvdr for lurking.

Then he sheeps BKE without really offering his own reason for doing so, while at the same time ridiculing people who are attacking him without straight up defending himself; finally claiming someone else's reason to vote BKE as his own.

Generally, all he's done is post 1-liners on people without offering clear reads. He also soft defended BKE until the wagon was unstoppable. No matter what BKE flips, that sort of soft defending is very scummy, as I can't see why a town who thought BKE was town wouldn't put his foot down and defend like crazy; a classic example of which was Ottox.

## FoS GRush57
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 14:37 GMT
#1194
On September 08 2012 23:17 Toadesstern wrote:
oh god, still mixed up... you know what I am talking about right?^^

BM can't be the target of the suicide bomber because if that'd be the case BKE would be dead by now as well, if his claim is legit.
Therefore BC was targeted by the suicide bomber according to BKE and BM got shot by a single mafia hit, which is incredible weird.

I thought Watcher wasn't affected by suicide bomber?

Anyhow, if your interpretation of the rules is true, that just makes BKE's claim even less likely to be true.
Что?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
September 08 2012 14:41 GMT
#1195
On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing
This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead.

We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save.

Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely.


On September 08 2012 23:29 Shady Sands wrote:
Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here:

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:
K.
Medics on Toad and BC and BM.
Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers.
Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has.


This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing.
I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise.
Fe fi fo fum.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#1196
On September 08 2012 23:37 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 23:17 Toadesstern wrote:
oh god, still mixed up... you know what I am talking about right?^^

BM can't be the target of the suicide bomber because if that'd be the case BKE would be dead by now as well, if his claim is legit.
Therefore BC was targeted by the suicide bomber according to BKE and BM got shot by a single mafia hit, which is incredible weird.

I thought Watcher wasn't affected by suicide bomber?

Anyhow, if your interpretation of the rules is true, that just makes BKE's claim even less likely to be true.

Why should a watcher not be affected by the suicide bomber?
OP

You are Crazy. Blow shit up man, that's what you do. You one night in the game suicide into another player. That player will die, regardless of protection, and everyone who visits that player that night will be killed unless protected. You can in addition perform one KP on behalf of the mafia every night, including the night you suicide.

everyone who visits that player reads to me as everyone. Or was there something I'm missing?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 14:45 GMT
#1197
On September 08 2012 23:42 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 23:37 Shady Sands wrote:
On September 08 2012 23:17 Toadesstern wrote:
oh god, still mixed up... you know what I am talking about right?^^

BM can't be the target of the suicide bomber because if that'd be the case BKE would be dead by now as well, if his claim is legit.
Therefore BC was targeted by the suicide bomber according to BKE and BM got shot by a single mafia hit, which is incredible weird.

I thought Watcher wasn't affected by suicide bomber?

Anyhow, if your interpretation of the rules is true, that just makes BKE's claim even less likely to be true.

Why should a watcher not be affected by the suicide bomber?
Show nested quote +
OP

You are Crazy. Blow shit up man, that's what you do. You one night in the game suicide into another player. That player will die, regardless of protection, and everyone who visits that player that night will be killed unless protected. You can in addition perform one KP on behalf of the mafia every night, including the night you suicide.

everyone who visits that player reads to me as everyone. Or was there something I'm missing?


I just reread the rules. I am stupid. For some reason I thought tracker/watcher meant that the person did not actually "visit" them, only watched or followed them. Sorry
Что?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 08 2012 14:46 GMT
#1198
On September 08 2012 23:41 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing
This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead.

We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save.

Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely.


Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 23:29 Shady Sands wrote:
Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here:

On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:
K.
Medics on Toad and BC and BM.
Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers.
Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has.


This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing.
I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise.

If a medic had saved someone (scenario would be: BC got suicide bombed, BM got shot with 1KP, someone else got shot and protected for 1KP) we would have had some guy claiming the hit though, wouldn't we?

Any yes you're correct, I said something along those lines as well. I said I want medics on BC+myself.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 14:48 GMT
#1199
On September 08 2012 23:46 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 23:41 austinmcc wrote:
On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing
This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead.

We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save.

Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely.


On September 08 2012 23:29 Shady Sands wrote:
Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here:

On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:
K.
Medics on Toad and BC and BM.
Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers.
Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has.


This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing.
I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise.

If a medic had saved someone (scenario would be: BC got suicide bombed, BM got shot with 1KP, someone else got shot and protected for 1KP) we would have had some guy claiming the hit though, wouldn't we?

Any yes you're correct, I said something along those lines as well. I said I want medics on BC+myself.


Got it. I just found it strange that both of the N1 kills were listed in his post requesting medic protection, and part of the N1 body count was delivered via suicide bomber.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 08 2012 14:49 GMT
#1200
What do you guys think of the rest of the GRush case?
Что?
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