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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote: Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-. Shouldn't you have also gotten back Blackmamba as well? Or was Black not concurrently killed by the suicide bomber? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 08 2012 15:58 BroodKingEXE wrote: This doesn´t really help, you or us. There´s no new information, or at least no new relevant information, a typical scumclaim in that it doesn´t give town anything, and an assassin could throw it together from public information. Your claim doesn´t help town, nor change the case. Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-. Anyway, explain your reasoning, why visit BC? Further, you are preparing a case, on whom? Who is your big scumread? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
I'm here now, and I'll be trying to catch up in the thread for the next few hours. Hopefully I'll be ready to start really contributing soon. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Gravan
59 Posts
On September 08 2012 16:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Unless someone claims a vig shot on GK, you're supposed to be dead right now. That was worse than Mattchew's claim. I am not sure that someone could post something worse than Matt's claim  . Although I agree with Hopeless here for the most part - unless BKE can really 'wow' me with a fleshed out argument/story about him being a watcher, his unexplained flip-floppiness is damning enough to compel me to vote for him. | ||
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Gravan
59 Posts
Anyway, it might be worth it for everybody to take a peek at his short filter. | ||
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Gravan
59 Posts
Now that I have actually thought about it, I feel kinda foolish. BKE can't actually be a watcher, can he? GK suicide bombed on somebody - killing everyone who was watching/tracking/nosy neighbouring that player in the process. Since otto was almost certainly vig'd, and BC was probably the target of the suicide bomb (being a veteran player) if BKE was watching BC he has to be dead too. Just thinking out loud here, since my above post agreeing with hopeless wasn't cleanly thought through. And then, if DrH was the suicide bomber target, then BKE wouldn't have turned up GK when he 'watched him'. Do I have this right? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 08 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote: Shouldn't you have also gotten back Blackmamba as well? Or was Black not concurrently killed by the suicide bomber? He's saying: Blackmamba got targeted by the Suicider BC got shot by GK only If DrH had visited BC and got killed by the suicider as well he himself would have died as well for visiting BC. Therefore that's not an option. So we've got 3 problems with that claim imo:
Something's fishy here. ##vote BKE Only got like 3 more hours time right now. I'm going to have friends at my place again and it's possible I'm going to miss the deadline so if there's something important tell me NOW. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: He's saying: BC got targeted by the Suicider Blackmamba got shot by GK only If DrH had visited BC and got killed by the suicider as well he himself would have died as well for visiting BC. Therefore that's not an option. So we've got 3 problems with that claim imo:
Something's fishy here. ##vote BKE Only got like 3 more hours time right now. I'm going to have friends at my place again and it's possible I'm going to miss the deadline so if there's something important tell me NOW. EBWOP mixed the names up, sry | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
BM can't be the target of the suicide bomber because if that'd be the case BKE would be dead by now as well, if his claim is legit. Therefore BC was targeted by the suicide bomber according to BKE and BM got shot by a single mafia hit, which is incredible weird. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:02 Gravan wrote: Another thought - Shady has been fairly quiet this game. All his posts indicate that he is reading the thread and keeping abreast of it himself, but his posts just kind of answer or ask questions. I am interested to hear if you have any reads, Shady? Anyway, it might be worth it for everybody to take a peek at his short filter. Right now, my main read is on BKE, both because of Hapa's case and his bad claim. Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here: On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote: K. Medics on Toad and BC and BM. Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers. Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has. This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing. Then he responds to the BKE case by questioning evidence without offering his own read (a classic instance of someone who wants to poke at a case without revealing their own opposition to it); then starts soft defending BKE: On September 08 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote: This reminds me of LVI where BKE got mislynched and he was way scummier that game. while trying to deflect attention to Lvdr for lurking. Then he sheeps BKE without really offering his own reason for doing so, while at the same time ridiculing people who are attacking him without straight up defending himself; finally claiming someone else's reason to vote BKE as his own. Generally, all he's done is post 1-liners on people without offering clear reads. He also soft defended BKE until the wagon was unstoppable. No matter what BKE flips, that sort of soft defending is very scummy, as I can't see why a town who thought BKE was town wouldn't put his foot down and defend like crazy; a classic example of which was Ottox. ## FoS GRush57 | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:17 Toadesstern wrote: oh god, still mixed up... you know what I am talking about right?^^ BM can't be the target of the suicide bomber because if that'd be the case BKE would be dead by now as well, if his claim is legit. Therefore BC was targeted by the suicide bomber according to BKE and BM got shot by a single mafia hit, which is incredible weird. I thought Watcher wasn't affected by suicide bomber? Anyhow, if your interpretation of the rules is true, that just makes BKE's claim even less likely to be true. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote: This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead.Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save. Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely. On September 08 2012 23:29 Shady Sands wrote: I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise.Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here: This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:37 Shady Sands wrote: I thought Watcher wasn't affected by suicide bomber? Anyhow, if your interpretation of the rules is true, that just makes BKE's claim even less likely to be true. Why should a watcher not be affected by the suicide bomber? OP You are Crazy. Blow shit up man, that's what you do. You one night in the game suicide into another player. That player will die, regardless of protection, and everyone who visits that player that night will be killed unless protected. You can in addition perform one KP on behalf of the mafia every night, including the night you suicide. everyone who visits that player reads to me as everyone. Or was there something I'm missing? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:42 Toadesstern wrote: Why should a watcher not be affected by the suicide bomber? everyone who visits that player reads to me as everyone. Or was there something I'm missing? I just reread the rules. I am stupid. For some reason I thought tracker/watcher meant that the person did not actually "visit" them, only watched or followed them. Sorry | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:41 austinmcc wrote: This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead. We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save. Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely. I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise. If a medic had saved someone (scenario would be: BC got suicide bombed, BM got shot with 1KP, someone else got shot and protected for 1KP) we would have had some guy claiming the hit though, wouldn't we? Any yes you're correct, I said something along those lines as well. I said I want medics on BC+myself. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:46 Toadesstern wrote: If a medic had saved someone (scenario would be: BC got suicide bombed, BM got shot with 1KP, someone else got shot and protected for 1KP) we would have had some guy claiming the hit though, wouldn't we? Any yes you're correct, I said something along those lines as well. I said I want medics on BC+myself. Got it. I just found it strange that both of the N1 kills were listed in his post requesting medic protection, and part of the N1 body count was delivered via suicide bomber. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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