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On September 08 2012 07:37 Hapahauli wrote:@ Z-Boson - it's funny you bring Toadsstern up, because if it wasn't for the BKE slip I found, I probably would have made a case on Toad instead. That "goodbye" post looked so scummy to me, and I find things like this to be huge scumtells: Show nested quote +tl;dr / Summary so far:- I am town
- BC is pretty much town
- I highly lean on BM being town giving his style. He attacked me during this night for something he thought to be something. It obviously was nothing but his argument was not the typical "toad is unreadable, BE AFRAID GUYS" fear mongering I get all the time and I doubt a mafia would get in there attacking me the way he did.
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. 1) Toad had been screaming that he's "town" throughout the day. This is pretty excessive considering there's very little reasoning why he should be considered town at all. 2) Toad says he's town, then gives a bunch of reads without any reasoning. Like read his goodbye post, then read the quoted selection. He never gives any reasoning for his reads. 3) If toad thinks he's going to get shot, why is he claiming town??? This is the most absurd thing ever. Anywho, I have a scumread on toad, but I want BKE lynched firstGood stuff Z-Boson
wat?
Number 1 was already explained and I said I did that on purpose.
Number 2 was already explained in the post itself as I said it's already quite a wall of text and I don't want to spam up the thread even more. I don't feel like posting way more cases right now either for that reason. We've got a bunch of cases and there's no need to spam more right now.
Number 3 is supposed to mean what? I claimed town, so what? Think mafia is going to shoot me because they now know I'm town, which they knew before I "claimed" as well? It's not like I claimed a role. Claiming town makes no difference about whether or not I'm going to get shot. It's not like they're going to say to themselves "crap, that dude just claimed town, we've got to deal with him NOW".
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On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES.
lol i was worried
On September 08 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote:
grush is mafia. BKE's probably; if BKE's not mafia it's probably foru?
But I had almost no time today as friends came over so I'll have to reread things tomorrow. Haven't even read what happened the last 4 hours so far except for an incredible fast read.
toaaaaad why do you say grush is mafia?
ps this is a serious question. grush is like by far the easiest rando free scumread to throw around.
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On September 08 2012 08:20 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES. lol i was worried Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote:
grush is mafia. BKE's probably; if BKE's not mafia it's probably foru?
But I had almost no time today as friends came over so I'll have to reread things tomorrow. Haven't even read what happened the last 4 hours so far except for an incredible fast read. toaaaaad why do you say grush is mafia? ps this is a serious question. grush is like by far the easiest rando free scumread to throw around.
He's playing to serious to be town.
When he's kidding around he's trying to look ballsy for the sake of looking ballsy rather than just looking weird like he does when he's town. For example the "just lynch me" post.
Doesn't look like something I'm not yet allowed to talk about I guess 
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On September 08 2012 08:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:37 Hapahauli wrote:@ Z-Boson - it's funny you bring Toadsstern up, because if it wasn't for the BKE slip I found, I probably would have made a case on Toad instead. That "goodbye" post looked so scummy to me, and I find things like this to be huge scumtells: tl;dr / Summary so far:- I am town
- BC is pretty much town
- I highly lean on BM being town giving his style. He attacked me during this night for something he thought to be something. It obviously was nothing but his argument was not the typical "toad is unreadable, BE AFRAID GUYS" fear mongering I get all the time and I doubt a mafia would get in there attacking me the way he did.
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. 1) Toad had been screaming that he's "town" throughout the day. This is pretty excessive considering there's very little reasoning why he should be considered town at all. 2) Toad says he's town, then gives a bunch of reads without any reasoning. Like read his goodbye post, then read the quoted selection. He never gives any reasoning for his reads. 3) If toad thinks he's going to get shot, why is he claiming town??? This is the most absurd thing ever. Anywho, I have a scumread on toad, but I want BKE lynched firstGood stuff Z-Boson wat? Number 1 was already explained and I said I did that on purpose. 1Number 2 was already explained in the post itself as I said it's already quite a wall of text and I don't want to spam up the thread even more. I don't feel like posting way more cases right now either for that reason. We've got a bunch of cases and there's no need to spam more right now. 2Number 3 is supposed to mean what? I claimed town, so what? Think mafia is going to shoot me because they now know I'm town, which they knew before I "claimed" as well? It's not like I claimed a role. Claiming town makes no difference about whether or not I'm going to get shot. It's not like they're going to say to themselves "crap, that dude just claimed town, we've got to deal with him NOW". 3
1: You said you did it on purpose, and it had already served its purpose. There was no reason for you to continue doing it after alerting the thread to your "ploy." However, this ties more in to my response in #3
2: The last thing you should be concerned about when making a "goodbye I'm going to get shot" post is spamming up the thread, especially when you believe you have critical information that could help the town. WTF is the point of pointing out your reads to other players in a goodbye post if you're not going to provide your rationale?
3: It's more of a scumtell that marvellosity described to me a while back. When someone's trying to tell you they're town and tell you a bunch of other people are suspicious/scummy/whatever (without reasoning to boot), they're likely mafia.
But claiming town literally makes no sense in the context of the post. It's a goodbye post. There's no reason to claim town in a goodbye post. If you think you're going to get shot, why the fuck would you claim town? It's pretty goddamn self-evident.
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I guess that could be a good point. Still, you're attributing a lot of planning and discipline to grush.
Anyway I've been reading over the case against bke. I was a bit hesitant at first because several times in the past, I've been super convinced he was scum when he actually wasn't. He's just inherently scummy.
But the thing that makes me feel better about this time is that there is a solid core to the case on him, the big shift about Mattchew. The case on him isn't just "look at his filter he's scummy as fuck," which is basically how I would describe his town play.
Still, not gonna vote quite yet. I want to see how things play out, and to decide whether or not I like how Forumite's been basically ignoring toad calling him scum. Not sure what to make of that yet.
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On September 08 2012 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 08:12 Toadesstern wrote:On September 08 2012 07:37 Hapahauli wrote:@ Z-Boson - it's funny you bring Toadsstern up, because if it wasn't for the BKE slip I found, I probably would have made a case on Toad instead. That "goodbye" post looked so scummy to me, and I find things like this to be huge scumtells: tl;dr / Summary so far:- I am town
- BC is pretty much town
- I highly lean on BM being town giving his style. He attacked me during this night for something he thought to be something. It obviously was nothing but his argument was not the typical "toad is unreadable, BE AFRAID GUYS" fear mongering I get all the time and I doubt a mafia would get in there attacking me the way he did.
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. 1) Toad had been screaming that he's "town" throughout the day. This is pretty excessive considering there's very little reasoning why he should be considered town at all. 2) Toad says he's town, then gives a bunch of reads without any reasoning. Like read his goodbye post, then read the quoted selection. He never gives any reasoning for his reads. 3) If toad thinks he's going to get shot, why is he claiming town??? This is the most absurd thing ever. Anywho, I have a scumread on toad, but I want BKE lynched firstGood stuff Z-Boson wat? Number 1 was already explained and I said I did that on purpose. 1Number 2 was already explained in the post itself as I said it's already quite a wall of text and I don't want to spam up the thread even more. I don't feel like posting way more cases right now either for that reason. We've got a bunch of cases and there's no need to spam more right now. 2Number 3 is supposed to mean what? I claimed town, so what? Think mafia is going to shoot me because they now know I'm town, which they knew before I "claimed" as well? It's not like I claimed a role. Claiming town makes no difference about whether or not I'm going to get shot. It's not like they're going to say to themselves "crap, that dude just claimed town, we've got to deal with him NOW". 3 1: You said you did it on purpose, and it had already served its purpose. There was no reason for you to continue doing it after alerting the thread to your "ploy." However, this ties more in to my response in #3 2: The last thing you should be concerned about when making a "goodbye I'm going to get shot" post is spamming up the thread, especially when you believe you have critical information that could help the town. WTF is the point of pointing out your reads to other players in a goodbye post if you're not going to provide your rationale? 3: It's more of a scumtell that marvellosity described to me a while back. When someone's trying to tell you they're town and tell you a bunch of other people are suspicious/scummy/whatever (without reasoning to boot), they're likely mafia. But claiming town literally makes no sense in the context of the post. It's a goodbye post. There's no reason to claim town in a goodbye post. If you think you're going to get shot, why the fuck would you claim town? It's pretty goddamn self-evident.
1) Did I do it afterwards? I don't think I did o.O
2) As already mentioned it's was a combination of multiple reads and thoughts about meta that brought me to the conclusion. That kind of stuff is literally impossible to explain to other people. Either people agree with it or they don't,
I even said I've got nothing special that screams mafia for a vet yet but the combination of a lot of little things make be think the way I do.
3) Well that's just wrong for 2 reasons:
- You call it a claim. It never had the purpose of a claim, it was an explanation. I said we've got a bunch of vets and that I'm going to work with combination of meta + some little analysis + method of elimination. Obviously I mention myself as a town in that process for it all to make sense.
- It's not a mafia trait and marv is wrong about that if he ever said that. Actually it's the other way around. If you're town don't get into explaining complicated "what if scenarios" talking about what would be the case if you were the opposite alignment. Never ever do that. That's derailing and almost never helpful to the thread at all because it's based on incomplete data while at the same time being manipulative as it can be.
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Less sure than in PTP3, but currently not thinking Grush is mafia this game. Not YET gonna proclaim to have any magical grush-reading skill though.
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Just to explain what I'm talking about when talking about grush:
From PTP3:On August 22 2012 10:57 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 10:56 JingleHell wrote:
Sorry my activity has been shit. My guts have been acting up, which has had me not interested in thinking much. Occupational hazard of crohn's.
Anyways, I'm not comfortable with the people looking at VE because he's playing differently. He took a LOT of crap in Mad Men for his play, some based on meta. If a lot of people want him to play differently, and he's tired of being looked at the way he is, he might just try to play differently.
I still like the idea of lynching Grush in absence of real reads, but maybe that's just a combination of me being vindictive and him being Grush. If we have a better target, obviously that would nullify it anyways. YOU DONT ANSWER FOR VE ACTIONS, VE DOES.
vs this game:
On September 04 2012 08:22 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:20 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 08:09 DoYouHas wrote:
Well, as per usual I like lynching lurkers day 1 if a scummier option doesn't present itself.
Blues should do as they see fit. Discussion in that area only gives scum more points of reference for blue hunting.
In the past L has assured me that this is always the correct course of action, sooo
##Vote: Bill Murray Why Bill Murray as opposed to any other lurker? Because he posted 20 minutes before the game started? I checked the thread 5 minutes before it started then went downstairs to do something else. I just don't see the point of voting this early when a scummier option is pretty much sure to present itself. Meek and apologetic tone, parroting posts other people have already made, etc. ##Vote DoYouHasThat'll do for now. He's probably just pressuring him. Plus BM has a reputation.
Bunch of serious, yet easy to do posts:
+ Show Spoiler [click me] +On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something. On September 04 2012 09:27 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:30 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something. Why? Town needs all the information possible. Mafia will already know this information.If it was a blue vigi shot then the blue willl already know and they won't have to tell town without outing themselves. Mafia will know if there were vigi shots because they killed the other people. As if town-grush would ever say something like that. He's trying to look good saying something like that. Town-grush wouldn't even care about something like this. On September 05 2012 05:12 grush57 wrote:
Well, looks like Mattchew slipped and all the noobs on his team are now scrambling.
So....
##Vote: Mattchew
Miltonkram after this lynch?(Assuming that Mattchew flips scum which he will) Already setting up the next lynch without giving an explanation at all? On September 05 2012 05:16 grush57 wrote:
And all of you new players as town you gotta make stances, lists of reads do jack shit. A lot of you are sounding scummy and probably just because you're new, but actually town. nothing, easy to do. Neither does he do that himself nor would town grush care for something like that On September 07 2012 09:31 grush57 wrote:
So we're in good shape right now. I'll look through some people's filter tomorrow. as if lol
Buddy-Buddy posts:
+ Show Spoiler [clicky me] +On September 06 2012 07:51 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please.
Mafia will want to hit that. Why on earth do you think mafia would want to hit you? Towny vets. On September 06 2012 09:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is. By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5. So, I say we off you next. If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang. For those who missed it the first time. He clearly states happa + toad are trying to defend their "mates" or in this case "mate" by trying to drop the matt discussion. This is 3 reds. He then states the other 2 mafia are lurkers who voted with no real content then generically lists a bunch of lurkers and DrH who has been one of the most active players in the game. But he told us 5. 2 defending 1 and then 2 in a group of lurkers. It wasn't I think there are two more or anything. he clearly outlines 2 defending their scumbuddy by shutting down conversation (lul as that wasnt the reason they argued with him) and 2 in lurkers. Guy outright mislabeled one of the most active players calling him a "lurker" and outed the mafia team # as 5. Burn him with fire. Damn BC you're on a roll, though that slip isn't 100% confirmed mafia but adding that with the other bs he said definitely scum. On September 07 2012 07:37 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:34 Hapahauli wrote:Shame a shot got wasted on Ottox. Oh well. ##Vote Miltonkram@ GrushOn September 07 2012 07:31 grush57 wrote:Hmm, goodkarma suiciding on BC the vet I guess. Plus we got rid of Ottox so gj viggies  Shouldn't you... uh... NOT be happy vigi shot a green role? Yea but it's better than just about any other townie. Better than say the vigi going crazy and shooting Toad or something.
Last but not least those 2 posts that don't really fit a special topic:
On September 08 2012 07:12 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote:
grush is mafia. BKE's probably; if BKE's not mafia it's probably foru?
But I had almost no time today as friends came over so I'll have to reread things tomorrow. Haven't even read what happened the last 4 hours so far except for an incredible fast read. Kill me it will help the town I promise :D
If someone tells me to lynch him the best thing to do usually is to lynch him. It's either trying to be manipulative and trying to appeal for emotions (in which case he's mafia) or he's given the game up (in which case he can be both) or he doesn't care about the game and is going to be anti-town no matter of alignment. I highly lean on the first one though.
On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote:
This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game.
Yeah I asked him about that and he answered but I can't stop but get the feeling that was supposed to be a post for a mafia QT lol.
tl;dr So yeah I feel quite strongly about grush. He's hard to judge because he really doesn't seem to care about games and play anti-town no matter of alignment but that guy got to die.
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Is PTP3 alone enough to make a meta comparison? I'm curious if there are any other games he buddies/is-semi-serious as a townie. I'm not familiar with Grush's meta, but I find that a pretty weak reason to get him killed.
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On September 08 2012 09:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Is PTP3 alone enough to make a meta comparison? I'm curious if there are any other games he buddies/is-semi-serious as a townie. I'm not familiar with Grush's meta, but I find that a pretty weak reason to get him killed.
Not so much comparing it to PTP3. There was just a constant undercurrent of "lynch Grush," just like there is every game.
I had him as townie, and he flipped townie. So it's less a meta comparison TO PTP3, and more than I read him correctly there in part from looking at past games. The antelope question in PTP3 and toaster question here are part of it.
See + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:A Tale of Two Grushes Grush - LV Day 1 involves a mayor/pardoner vote. Grush is pretty active during that day. Some one liners, some longer posts, but actual thoughts. See? Look at that. Like a page of filter off the bat, with some real stances. Grush open being poked at by Toad, over a potential scumslip: Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:27 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:17 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:[quote] YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town? it refers to you being weird. Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town. Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town: The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1. The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot. If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well. So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger. So you want a good scumhunting vet to get shot? nah I want a good scumhuntig vet to take a mafia down with him before being shot either way. Yeah but everyone is lurking so its going to be a guessing game at this point. So the more important issue right now is to.... POST everyone! Look at this conversation with Toad. Toad initially points out an inconsistency in the number of scum, says Grush might be scum because he counted only 5 scum in a game that had 6 (indicating he might have 5 buddies). Grush gives actual responses, discusses it just being a typo. Doesn't just discuss himself either, but notes the lurkers, has counted posts, and says where he thinks mafia might be hiding. Grush will occasionally call some folks scummy - + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 11:19 grush57 wrote:
I nominate Kenpachi for the lynch.
He is playing his scum meta. Last game, he was inactive and he turned out to be scum. He's putting in less effort than Sinesis who got lynched. All of his posts are one liner's except for one which he makes a list, which is something a scum usually does(I learned that from a real vet.)
I ACCUSE YOU, KENPIKACHU! On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote:
I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(.
There have been rumors, starting in LIV.
That I have, mystical powers.
They rarely unleash.
This, is a special case.
(LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT)
You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right
1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts.
2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better.
3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit.
4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol.
5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos.
6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town.
Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. But he won't really back those accusations up - + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 12:04 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 12:00 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote:
I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(.
There have been rumors, starting in LIV.
That I have, mystical powers.
They rarely unleash.
This, is a special case.
(LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT)
You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right
1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts.
2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better.
3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit.
4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol.
5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos.
6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town.
Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. I agree with others opinions on Wiggles in that his lynch wasn't the best choice but calling someone scum for having posts that are too long is ridiculous. Having a filter a page long isn't too bad as long as the posts have content as Wiggles seem to. Plus wiggles still has more posts than most people anyways. He's not really indecisive either, he had two ideas on who to lynch for day one and so far day 2 has barely started. Sigh majuju, you were lurking too and now that I called out your buddy you finally unlurked. LOL SERIOUSLY TOWN NUBS STAR TPOSTING asdaSDFASDFA. Okay, I will bring up the posts. Actually just read them too much work lol. On June 02 2012 04:33 grush57 wrote:Why don't you ask the scum that question? But really, its obvious who is town and who is scummy on that list of who voted. On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a little over 4 pages, and he died N2.
Grush - LVI Grush's D1 - Here! Game starts somewhere in the middle. Way less contribution. When he does post, it's agreeing with someone, or little one liners, followed by just a vote on a wagon target. When Grush gets poked, he responds with one-liners - + Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 02:15 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:26 Hyaach wrote:
A town grush in LV wasnt afraid to defend towns when he need to nor was he reluctant to share his read. His interaction in the thread was far more active too.
His post this game all are filler-level post with 0 content. Well, it's good to be curious. On July 05 2012 10:17 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:13 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Actually judging by the swap and the players on each list I think both were town...hmm.
We should definitely kill grush at least though. We need to address these people who are skating by without getting attention. Allowing them to live while townies die because we seek active scum is a plan for losing. U WANA TUSSLE On July 05 2012 10:33 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:22 Twelve wrote:
Wow Grush your filter is really damning... What exactly have you been doing to help town so far? Likewise, chap. On July 07 2012 06:58 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:57 Vivax wrote:
I asked you for too much with the read on grush, it's pretty much impossible, tell me about hyaach instead please. Hiss. On July 12 2012 02:15 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Same, grush is the scums, he's got my vote tomorrow. STILL JUST A RAT IN THE CAAAAAAAAAGE Plenty of others but that's enough Scumgrush makes "cases," but they're just kind of weak accusations, or nonsense - + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 03:46 grush57 wrote:
Grush was sitting in the tent. Vivax was walking in with a angry crowd behind him ridiculing him about his bad performance. His excuses were very bad, said the crowd, and that HIS LOGIC FAILS. Grush agreed.
##Vote: Vivax On July 07 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote:
T_T definitely between Twelve and BKE though. Kurumi's post does really point out the flaws of BKE, and when pressure came off he was all beepin up the beep, ya know. BUT u may b like, GURSHDEVICE U DON'T HELP AT ALL. True, homeieieieieieieiieieeieieieieieiei, but it doesn't change the fact.
aLZo, 11, __, 13 seems like a noobie townie.
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##Vote:BKE On July 13 2012 01:38 grush57 wrote:
I want to lynch Majuju. all dat lurking and then when called out he is getting all freaky(in the wrong way mmkay)
##Vote: MajuGarzett On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a not quite 4 full pages of filter. Lived until endgame, which was the end of D4.
So, based only on two games and nothing else, what patterns do we see in Grush's play? - Town grush lived half as long as scum grush, but posted as much or more. Towngrush more posty.
- Town grush makes real accusations sometimes, although he may not back them up with anything when asked.
- Town grush is more likely to respond to being called scum, or to people questioning him, with actual discussion.
PokeGrushPokeGrush's filter is a decent bit over 4 pages, after 3 full cycles (And he spent part of it banned) He starts off responding to questions - + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 09:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:59 grush57 wrote:
Come on, how are you helping at all right now?
You're wasting time with a useless player.
Anyways I've proven that I'm town. How have you done that? Also, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, spam spam spam On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote:See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. On August 22 2012 11:39 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote:
Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at.
So my scum list is:
JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM)
Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum)
Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) How is dirk helping? I would like a detailed response on that. I will agree that hopeless is likely scum at this point though. Well I mean he's posting cases and defending himself and contributing. I don't know why he was the closest to being lynched. On August 24 2012 02:28 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:25 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:21 grush57 wrote:
Okay :'(
Wiggles you are still ON THE LIST
Besides, biosc is scum.
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##Vote: Biosc Why? Well, half his posts are before the game, and he just is basically lurking and not helping. In scum teams in my experience, you have 2-3 active in the thread, and 1-2 basically lurking Toad and chezinu died, I feel like there is only one major player in the thread that is scum atm. Also dirk may be scum aswell, before his posts were useless and now he just lurks. He gives some reads, with...some reasoning - + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote:
Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at.
So my scum list is:
JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM)
Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum)
Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) He engages in minor discussion - + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 11:03 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:00 JingleHell wrote:On August 22 2012 10:57 grush57 wrote:On August 22 2012 10:56 JingleHell wrote:
Sorry my activity has been shit. My guts have been acting up, which has had me not interested in thinking much. Occupational hazard of crohn's.
Anyways, I'm not comfortable with the people looking at VE because he's playing differently. He took a LOT of crap in Mad Men for his play, some based on meta. If a lot of people want him to play differently, and he's tired of being looked at the way he is, he might just try to play differently.
I still like the idea of lynching Grush in absence of real reads, but maybe that's just a combination of me being vindictive and him being Grush. If we have a better target, obviously that would nullify it anyways. YOU DONT ANSWER FOR VE ACTIONS, VE DOES. You're trying to answer for my actions, you're saying it's scummy to want to policy lynch a useless poster (you), when I actually just don't want to read your posts. This game is all about reading intentions. Sometimes that leads to a defense. Tough luck. lol. no. You're assuming he's playing differently because he got butthurt. I'm saying that your scum. Different things On August 25 2012 06:49 grush57 wrote:
Jingle, you don't answer to any of the cases against you, you keep bandwagoning on the townies!!!!!!!!!!!
You call me scum because I'm actually playing this time?!?!?!?1?!!??!?1?1?1!/1?1?1!?1?1
However when commenting on VE's play you said he wanted to play differenty and give him the benefit brohan.
Which is me questioning VE being town right now.
But all the vets aren't trying, the one who did was BC and he died, and Wiggles is playing the EXACT same way he did as scum before. When I played with WBG before and he was town he was very active, and Kenpachi could be town or scum because he is Kenpachi.
**I doctored this quote because it was split into two posts** I could keep pulling more stuff from this game, but now I want to do something else. So instead, you should read this. You should come to your own conclusions. But if you think Grush is scum, you need some decent reasoning. Because it looks to me like he's playing much more like he did in LV than in LVI. It looks to me like there are some actual helpful posts buried in the trolling. D2 I didn't think hopeless1der was scum, but I didn't fight it hard enough, had just entered the game. D3 I didn't think VE was scum, and I should have swapped my vote from Wiggles to misder in order to try and get a switch at the end. D4 I don't think Grush is scum, and it's time to actually stand up and fight his lynch, early. I do not want scum having control of this one.
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the buddying has nothing to do with meta. It's something he does to look good with someone influential. That's a straight up scum-trait.
the semi seriousness is something that might be worth more considering meta but even on itself it's worth a lot because he's trying to look good for some reason. He's trying to look helpful when pointing stuff out like Town needs all the information possible.
Mafia will already know this information.If it was a blue vigi shot then the blue willl already know and they won't have to tell town without outing themselves. Mafia will know if there were vigi shots because they killed the other people. Town-Grush doesn't care about whether or not he's looking good.
The first 2 quotes (PTP3 vs something this game) is a complete contradiction.
The bottom 2 quotes are looking as bad as it can possibly get and I would instalynch anyone saying something like that if it wasn't Grush. However, given the rest of his filter I'd say taking it into consideration isn't bad.
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Toad, I don't think the super scummy quote is from QT. Especially given the timing.
On September 07 2012 08:44 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 06 2012 22:07 austinmcc wrote:
Grush, if everyone in this game were a toaster, who would be the most energy-efficient? The quickest to make toast? The most likely to burn down a house? If you're still around Hmm, another fancy question. I'm assuming the first question is who provides the most information and least fluff. Second question fastest at making cases/scumhunting. Third the most chaotic/scummy. HMM On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote:
I would of put Ottox at third question and BC at second question. On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote:
This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game. The second and third post are BOTH at 8:48. So he was in the right thread, had just posted in the game thread.
Also, he interprets the first question as "provides the most information and least fluff." Then he answers for #2 and #3. Never answers #1. I saw that as him saying "choosing who provides the most information and least fluff is hard because town is active."
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Aww austin beat me to it. =<
Grush bias is what it is. I've seen multiple players just rage for no reason other than grush was signed up.
It's clear to me that sarcasm is not a conveyable tone through written words, but the "please kill me" reads as sarcasm. It is not alignment indicative to me as I could see grush doing it no matter what his alignment was.
The last post Toad quoted makes way more sense to me than he seem to have garnered from it. I would have thought you were better than this Toad. If it weren't for the fact that its Grush, (and people seem to develop blinders when he's involved), I would be swapping my vote right now. I`d expect a self-proclaimed awesome vet to be able to figure things like that out. Goddamn grush effect, fuckin with my reads and shit.
But besides that, don't use PTP as a comparison. A) its still going on. B) its themed. C) did you see grush's role? Does it not seem like something that was handpicked for him?
Further to that, Austin's "Tale of Two Grushes" would suggest that the grush we have this game is the townier version. He's like...actually answering questions and following up on the Mattchew lynch with Ottox.
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@Toades
After the D2-post you said you didn´t like the case on me provided by Hapless and Hapa, but you still thought I was probably scum. The only reason I remember was elimination, out of the people you stated are vets they are either dead or me, and those who died flipped town. Is that your case, "There should be scum among the vets, and now that some flipped town, the living ones are probably scum"? Because it´s a very convenient thing to say for scum, if people say there must be scum in a group, then scum kill half the group if it´s full of town, and leave it alone if there´s a scum in it so their buddy can hide better. I´m not saying that´s what happened, but it´s shaky to claim this early in a game that the last survivor of a group of must be scum event though the others flipped town.
Apart from that you said you thought I wasn´t as aggressive as usual. Partly that is because I don´t keep myself as updated as I usually do due to more stuff happening IRL than usual, but I also don´t want to make the mistake I did in DF-Mafia.
Anyway you need more reasons to you call me scum. What is it?
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On September 08 2012 10:18 Forumite wrote:
@Toades
After the D2-post you said you didn´t like the case on me provided by Hapless and Hapa, but you still thought I was probably scum. The only reason I remember was elimination, out of the people you stated are vets they are either dead or me, and those who died flipped town. Is that your case, "There should be scum among the vets, and now that some flipped town, the living ones are probably scum"? Because it´s a very convenient thing to say for scum, if people say there must be scum in a group, then scum kill half the group if it´s full of town, and leave it alone if there´s a scum in it so their buddy can hide better. I´m not saying that´s what happened, but it´s shaky to claim this early in a game that the last survivor of a group of must be scum event though the others flipped town.
Apart from that you said you thought I wasn´t as aggressive as usual. Partly that is because I don´t keep myself as updated as I usually do due to more stuff happening IRL than usual, but I also don´t want to make the mistake I did in DF-Mafia.
Anyway you need more reasons to you call me scum. What is it?
I said the main aspect I'm getting from you out of this game is you playing cautious, right? Just take that post of yours for example:
Because it´s a very convenient thing to say for scum, if people say there must be scum in a group, then scum kill half the group if it´s full of town, and leave it alone if there´s a scum in it so their buddy can hide better. I´m not saying that´s what happened, but it´s shaky to claim this early in a game that the last survivor of a group of must be scum event though the others flipped town.
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@ Toades
That´s it? You call me scum based on a feeling that I´m a bit more cautious than usual? I thought there must be something more that I missed but apparently not.
BKE didn´t impress me with his reply to the case so I´m putting down my vote. The main reason is, in case I didn´t say before, that if BKE didn´t think a fakeclaim was a reason to lynch someone because it´s a coinflip, then the same should be true for a confirmed liar. Even if he lied it could have been as a blue. BKE gave Matt the benefit of the doubt as to the reason for his claim while the case was young, but didn´t when there were 15 votes on him.
##Vote: BroodKingExe
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I am leaving tomorrow for my grandfather's funeral. I won't be back until Wednesday. I am staying in a hotel that should have internet, but the time I will have to read the game and respond will be drastically reduced. I have PMed Palmar to this affect, and I'm sorry.
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On September 08 2012 03:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 11:37 Hapahauli wrote:Before I go to bed for the night: BroodKingEXEHe has two very suspicious posts regarding two confirmed players: Mattchew and Ottoxlol.
A bit before Mattchew is scum-confirmed (right around when a few players start voting for Mattchew), Broodking posts this unbelievably wishy-washy opinion on Mattchew. On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote:
About Mattchew (who I think is town):
Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. Look at the logic - he first thinks its a great idea, then there are "too many holes." He doesn't want to lynch him because his "roleclaim isn't verifiable until he is lynched" - the hell? He said he's town originally, then says "its a coinflip" Then he says "Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch" and wants to wait until "mattchew sounds scummy". Again, the fakeclaim is the entire reason everyone voted for him. But wait! Two pages after the fakeclaim (and before Mattchew posted anything in the interim): On September 05 2012 00:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew
Wow. After stating earlier that the fakeclaim wasn't enough to lynch Mattchew, he votes Mattchew for that very reasoning.
His viewpoints on Ottoxlol are the nail in the coffin: Goes from top scumread: No, his response was belivable based on posts he made after his sloosh interaction. Ottox has replaced him [ed note: Broodking's scumread on Toad due to the fact that he is pushing a "Matt is an assasin/townie scheme" instead of pushing his scum read toad. Then proceeds to push cases against Miltonkram, Shadysands, and Gravan while Ottox is his top scumread: Then says strange things about potentially townie Ottox while keeping a scumread on him. filter
My 2 cents about the Ottox thing. I played with him in Area 53 and he's as stubborn as a mule. I could see him trying to derail a lynch from a town perspective. I just don't get why as town he wont push a lynch canidate (in all seriousness his isn't doing much to push toad or hapa). That's why Im keeping a scum read on him. Then SOFT DEFENDS OTTOX when talking to DrHOn September 06 2012 16:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:It was later in the game from what I remember, just that he doesn't really listen (or ignores) others logic.
BroodKingEXE is scum!##Vote BroodKingEXE I've got a break to post. The reason I didn't like the idea of voting for a fake-claim is because short of Mod-confirmation, we wouldn't have any way to confirm BC's theory. I switched my vote because the fake-claim was confirmed and Mattchew had made no attempt to explain the fake-claim from a town perspective.
considering... like... people (a guy named xelin, off the top) have had nosy-neighbor roles before? i disagree w this
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Guys this lynch is not happening. Its like 12:00 PST I'll make a good case in the morning, but Im forced to say Im Watcher. Night One I visited BC and got back GK -_-.
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Unless someone claims a vig shot on GK, you're supposed to be dead right now. That was worse than Mattchew's claim.
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