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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 07 2012 12:45 GMT
#1081
Oh btw, BKE's two posts in question here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=21#412
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=24#463

They are 4 hours apart.
The first occurs after Sloosh, Me, and DoYouHas initially for Mattchew, before Palmar's clarification on the "Nosy Neighbor."
The second occurs right after the burst of votes for Mattchew after the clarification.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 07 2012 12:59 GMT
#1082
Wow that flip with regards to the Matt vote is pretty damning. I don't see why a town player would ignore what he had just said just because other people were voting against it. I'd be very curious to see what BKE had to say about it. ##Vote: BroodKingEXE

I'm still suspicious of Gravan (BKE trumps that at the moment). I'm not really buying the "he is newb town" argument, his filter still looks more scum than town to me.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 07 2012 13:01 GMT
#1083
@Hapahauli

Your case on BKE looks good. He went from treating fakeclaiming as a nulltell to requiring no justification for voting based on it, while the only thing that seemed to have changed was that a bandwagon started, and that Palmar confirmed that NNs are not selfaware. Even after Palmar confirmed, the main reason for Matts lynch was STILL him fakeclaim, the only thing that changed was that we had proof that it was a fakeclaim, but that shouldn´t have mattered to BKE. What might have changed his view of the situation is the number of votes dropping in on Matt.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 07 2012 13:03 GMT
#1084
@Hapa

While I agree with your case those posts are 8 hours apart not 4. Doesn't matter a ton because he still completely changes stance with no reason given.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 07 2012 13:05 GMT
#1085
On September 07 2012 21:59 imallinson wrote:
Wow that flip with regards to the Matt vote is pretty damning. I don't see why a town player would ignore what he had just said just because other people were voting against it. I'd be very curious to see what BKE had to say about it. ##Vote: BroodKingEXE

I'm still suspicious of Gravan (BKE trumps that at the moment). I'm not really buying the "he is newb town" argument, his filter still looks more scum than town to me.


If BKE flips red, Gravan is 100% town. GoodKarma and BKE talked about him too much (and BKE was highly suspicious of him) to be a scumbuddy.
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
September 07 2012 13:05 GMT
#1086
On September 07 2012 20:51 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 13:12 Maverick32x wrote:
@Forumite-
I guess we have different perspectives when it comes to scum hunting? The majority of players are town.. so wouldn't it be smarter to do some 'innocent until proven guilty'? As opposed to just blasting everyone because everyone else is doing it?

All this being said- I'm wondering if we should just lynch a lurker? I feel like allowing scum to lurk is a bad plan?
I don´t think you are paranoid enough for this game. Everyone is a possible scum until they are confirmed or flip. If two players attack eachother, then you look at the conversation to get a feel if one of them are scummy, a case and a defence against that case is a source of information, but if you interfere in a way that shuts down the conversation, then that opportunity for information and analysis disappear.

As for lurker lynch, why don´t you want to lynch me? You called me scum after the daypost.


Because you're posting. And that's atleast an indication of some kind of engagement.

BKE has fluffy posts, defends Matt a bit, and then just kinda floats around....however, I'm sticking with my lurking instincts and just going to take ShiaoPi out.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 07 2012 13:12 GMT
#1087
On September 07 2012 22:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:59 imallinson wrote:
Wow that flip with regards to the Matt vote is pretty damning. I don't see why a town player would ignore what he had just said just because other people were voting against it. I'd be very curious to see what BKE had to say about it. ##Vote: BroodKingEXE

I'm still suspicious of Gravan (BKE trumps that at the moment). I'm not really buying the "he is newb town" argument, his filter still looks more scum than town to me.


If BKE flips red, Gravan is 100% town. GoodKarma and BKE talked about him too much (and BKE was highly suspicious of him) to be a scumbuddy.


I wouldn't say he was 100% town (that's a really bad thing to say about someone in general) but I wouldn't push a lynch on him in that case. I think it's entirely possible that Gravan is scum and BKE is town but the case against BKE is stronger at the moment.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 07 2012 14:05 GMT
#1088
On September 07 2012 19:18 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote:

strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like.
[snip]
Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them.


So why should I in particular be scared of you in particular? Is it because I should be quivering in fear of your particularly stellar scumplay? Cause something about the ridiculous way you died last game makes you seem a lot less scary, as irrational as that is.

Now, I'm not sure how you think I'm buddying you. Unless you mean the "we're the only ones in the thread" thing - I see game-related buddying like 'ooh your reads are right on yeah way to lead the town' as being a lot scummier than 'hey man sup in the thread at this european hour or whatever', but whatever.

I was actually just going to ignore this whole thing because there's really not much for me to say about it ("you're buddying me! No I'm not! Yes you are!" doesn't really help anything), but it made me think a bit about you this game vs last game, and I wanted to ask something.

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On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently?

Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not.

I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before.
Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself.

Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts?


You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case.

I guess I just ninja'ed you.

Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3.
Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough.

I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.


This is from last game - this game, instead it's
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:
I really don't like the cases on forumite (or vets in general this game) as they're incredibly far-fetched, which is obvious considering the fact that we're still on d1/n1.
That being said I still (somewhat?) agree with the conclusion but I'll post shortly before deadline :p


What changed? And don't say your alignment, from how highly you talk of your own scum play I know you wouldn't be doing something as simple as coming down on different sides of a policy question as scum vs town.

Now in terms of your process of elimination thing - the obvious biggest problem with that is that it assumes you're town. You've done this before, like when we were playing in mtg mafia. You even actually came right out when the last vet was dead other than you and said "but why would I say that as scum, it's setting myself up to be lynched later." That argument worked that time, but it also taught me to watch you when you start talking about vet balance.

That said, I think forumite is looking scummier than you are atm. I still really don't like his "don't use meta on vets" comment, and I don't think that's been addressed since I brought it up last time

Yeah I think the same person is looking bad as you do even though you just accused me of buddying you, deal with it.

Quite in a hurry so I'll answer really quick:
You played the magic game as well didn't you? And yeah I still think I played good in PTP although that game is still ongoing. So yeah I just really thought you're going to play a little more like WBG did in PTP.

Not much has changed. We had Matt claim mafia d1. Do you want me to get in the thread yelling "HERPA DERP BUT I WANT TO LYNCH A VET INSTEAD"?
We had the perfect lynch d1. He also might be a vet depending on who's judging so I don't see the problem. Probably within the top8 skillwise or something like that this game. So on top of the slip he actually fit perfectly. And don't give me the "what? he slipped like a newbie, how is he good?" bullshit if someone is going to talk about this :p

About the "I don't like the cases on foru / vets so far". I said I don't like the cases and the very first thing I said this cycle was that I'd like to lynch Foru. I don't like the cases on Foru because I think they're done poorly, not because I think we should lynch someone else. Pretty sure I said something along the lines of "I dislike the cases on Foru although I agree with the conclusion". So again I don't really see the problem.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 07 2012 14:41 GMT
#1089
Just to clarify, the assassin's bullet goes through any kind of protection, including the protection offered by the assassin's night kill immunity
Computer says mafia
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 07 2012 14:48 GMT
#1090
Just noticed that Shady ninja voted BKE. Not sure what to make of that.

On September 07 2012 23:05 Shady Sands wrote:
##Vote: BroodKingEXE
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 07 2012 14:58 GMT
#1091
Re-read your filter Toad. Seems like you said you didn't like cases on Vet's but I think you meant this game specifically, as opposed to cases on vets in general, so I don't see a problem there.

BKE clearly fucked up. Flipflopped like a boss in the course of 1 post. My favorite part is where he never actually unvoted Toad. What do you have to say for yourself BKE?
##Vote: BroodKingEXE

@Shady Ninja...It's like he's trying to exploit the activity rules along with lvdr.
But apparently:
On September 07 2012 01:00 Shady Sands wrote:
Fell behind in this game and never got the chance to catch up. Voted Mattchew in this thread and got warned for it =S

Shady can you comment on what the fuck is up with your activity?
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 07 2012 15:00 GMT
#1092
Lynching BKE sounds good to me. Would be interesting though to see his response.

##vote: BKE

Also maverick any reason to vote me besides lurking? Just curious, also how did you decide which lurker to kill? We got quite a few...

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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
September 07 2012 15:18 GMT
#1093
I really want to get you to post? And no reason besides that.

Why BKE?
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 07 2012 15:22 GMT
#1094
On September 08 2012 00:18 Maverick32x wrote:
I really want to get you to post? And no reason besides that.

Why BKE?


What about other lurkers did you toss a coin?

BKE cause hapas case is good enough for me to sheep him, might sound bad to you but there is not much more to add on it until he (BKE) shows a response.
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Maverick32x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States311 Posts
September 07 2012 15:30 GMT
#1095
I have a list at home. Your label is 'Ultimate Lurker'. So.... That seemed reason enough.

Are you concerned about the bandwagoning that is occuring? What makes you trust that their reads are correct?
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 07 2012 15:36 GMT
#1096
awww...how nice of you to do that with a personal touch.
I value a good case when I see it, hapa's case is good and therefore I am willing to go with it.
Also we are only into the first half of the day, and there were 6 votes dropped on BKE right now. We got 20+ players in this game and some have not posted yet at all in this cycle so naaah no bandwagoning right now, more like a good case attracts votes on the target, should sound natural shouldn't it?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 07 2012 15:55 GMT
#1097
On September 08 2012 00:30 Maverick32x wrote:
I have a list at home. Your label is 'Ultimate Lurker'. So.... That seemed reason enough.

Are you concerned about the bandwagoning that is occuring? What makes you trust that their reads are correct?


So are you voting ShiaoPi because he's the "Ultimate Lurker" or that he's scummy?

To be honest, it sounds like you're really reluctant to comment on BKE at all.
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Rewok
Profile Joined September 2010
40 Posts
September 07 2012 16:27 GMT
#1098
TBH with you, I'm a little hesitant to lynch BKE. I'll vote for him because it's better to get some blood than no blood, but it wouldn't hurt to open our search up a little bit. Don't we have more than 24 hours left?

Personally, I've had Mav on my radar for awhile because of posts he had on both Mattchew and Ottox (will find them later - gotta run to work now.) And this recent ShaoPi thing seems rather fishy as well.

So here's my ##vote BKE, with the readiness to unvote it and switch it up if we find someone better.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 07 2012 16:31 GMT
#1099
Psh, what's most damning about Maverick is the fact that he has scum reads Forumite and DYH, and agrees with the case on BKEXE and yet for some reason waffles and ends up wanting to lynch a lurker. Good followup lynch.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 07 2012 16:34 GMT
#1100
Might be a good vigi shot if BKE flips red.

He already soft-defended BKE earlier on this page, and has this fascination with lurkers when he himself is a hardcore lurker. Coincidentally, BKE and GoodKarma also have posts showing a tunnel-ish attitude toward lurking players.
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