Any updates? Town/Mafia reads or otherwise?
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Any updates? Town/Mafia reads or otherwise? | ||
slOosh
3291 Posts
Dear lurking town: stop it. If anything scum team are hiding because they don't have much thread presence. You are giving them room to hide. I don't care if you are blue, cause roles don't win games. I guess a bunch of them could be assassins or something. But that's stupid too ... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 08 2012 01:31 slOosh wrote: Psh, what's most damning about Maverick is the fact that he has scum reads Forumite and DYH, and agrees with the case on BKEXE and yet for some reason waffles and ends up wanting to lynch a lurker. Good followup lynch. exactly this. If I were a multi-shot dayvig there would have been a crazy amount of dead people by now because we've got a shitton of people posting stuff like what you just mentioned. We've got a complete luxury problem today as we have way too many good lynches we could go for and too many people posting cases about everyone and their dog. The issue we have today is not wether or not we got a good lynch today, the issue we've got is which one's the best out of all those weird guys posting like "well maybe we should just lynch a random lurker today instead" because clearly not everyone can end up being mafia. | ||
Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Also yes- I'm considering more than one person as scummy or pointing out odd behaviors... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 08 2012 02:13 Maverick32x wrote: I honestly have no problem voting BKE. I thought I was clear with reason I voted for Shiao... I wanted him to post... And look!! He's had more posts after be called out than all game! Also yes- I'm considering more than one person as scummy or pointing out odd behaviors... that's really not the issue here. If someone who I know to be decent would have posted On September 07 2012 13:12 Maverick32x wrote: @DoYouHas- Solid defense, and you're right- I was probably tunneling too hard on filters. I still think the reliance on 'Meta' is not a reliable way to contribute to THIS game... @Forumite- I guess we have different perspectives when it comes to scum hunting? The majority of players are town.. so wouldn't it be smarter to do some 'innocent until proven guilty'? As opposed to just blasting everyone because everyone else is doing it? All this being said- I'm wondering if we should just lynch a lurker? I feel like allowing scum to lurk is a bad plan? after saying that we've got a bunch of decent targets that'd be an insta-lynch for me. For some reason we've got crazy amounts of people posting like this in this game though, which makes it hard to figure out who's posting weird because he's mafia and who's posting weird because he's new. | ||
Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I'll switch to BKE... But I agree there are a lot of good cases existing... | ||
DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On September 04 2012 18:38 goodkarma wrote: But we still should be trying to create a pro-town environment going into day two. Along those lines: The guiltiest lurkers are listed as follows, in no particular order: Gravan, austinmc, imallinson, Strongandbig, Miltonkram On September 05 2012 09:27 goodkarma wrote: Grush is at modkill-threshold. I don't expect he's going to be around all that much longer. Until he makes his first post, I consider any time spent pressuring him as a waste. On the other hand, Gravan, Lvdr, austinmc, maverick, ShadySands, and ShioPi all stand out to me as semi-lurkers. Some of them seem to have legitimate reasons (such as ShadySands), but that doesn't mean they aren't scum with legitimate reasons. In my experience, scum always include at least (and usually just) 1 other scum when making lists like this. This is mainly worth mentioning because only 2 names in these lists cross over, Gravan and austinmc. Take note. I'll move on to Brood's filter now. | ||
BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On September 07 2012 11:37 Hapahauli wrote: Before I go to bed for the night: BroodKingEXE He has two very suspicious posts regarding two confirmed players: Mattchew and Ottoxlol. A bit before Mattchew is scum-confirmed (right around when a few players start voting for Mattchew), Broodking posts this unbelievably wishy-washy opinion on Mattchew. Look at the logic - he first thinks its a great idea, then there are "too many holes." He doesn't want to lynch him because his "roleclaim isn't verifiable until he is lynched" - the hell? He said he's town originally, then says "its a coinflip" Then he says "Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch" and wants to wait until "mattchew sounds scummy". Again, the fakeclaim is the entire reason everyone voted for him. But wait! Two pages after the fakeclaim (and before Mattchew posted anything in the interim): After stating earlier that the fakeclaim wasn't enough to lynch Mattchew, he votes Mattchew for that very reasoning. His viewpoints on Ottoxlol are the nail in the coffin: Goes from top scumread: Then proceeds to push cases against Miltonkram, Shadysands, and Gravan while Ottox is his top scumread: Then says strange things about potentially townie Ottox while keeping a scumread on him. Then SOFT DEFENDS OTTOX when talking to DrH BroodKingEXE is scum! ##Vote BroodKingEXE I've got a break to post. The reason I didn't like the idea of voting for a fake-claim is because short of Mod-confirmation, we wouldn't have any way to confirm BC's theory. I switched my vote because the fake-claim was confirmed and Mattchew had made no attempt to explain the fake-claim from a town perspective. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 08 2012 03:12 BroodKingEXE wrote: I've got a break to post. The reason I didn't like the idea of voting for a fake-claim is because short of Mod-confirmation, we wouldn't have any way to confirm BC's theory 1. I switched my vote because the fake-claim was confirmed and Mattchew had made no attempt to explain the fake-claim from a town perspective 2. 1: That's pretty clearly a misrepresentation of your post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=21#412 Firstly, you weren't even thinking about the mod confirmation. Your quote below proves this: ...Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched... You explicitly state that his roleclaim isn't viable unless he dies. You very clearly weren't thinking of mod-confirmation. 2: Misrepresentation again. Palmar confirmed the lie 5.5 hours before your ##Vote post. You're telling me that you only gave Mattchew 5.5 hours to address his fakeclaim before you were convinced he was scum? You played off the entire thing as a mega-scumslip. Also, you explicitly mentioned that you weren't going to vote him based on the fakeclaim, and only if his posting was scummy. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. In what way does 5.5 hours of Mattchew's silence describe this complete 180? It doesn't. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Rewok
40 Posts
@ Rewok - Kinda surprised you don't have any solid reads after your long post earlier in the game declaring everyone "null" Any updates? Town/Mafia reads or otherwise? Yeah man. I've been staying read up - you guys talk a LOT. Hap is one of my town reads right now, because of how Otto flipped. Mav is my main mafia read - I'm still at work, so it's gonna be a bit before I can get proof. (Although it looks like a couple of you guys see it, too.) I'm truly surprised Otto flipped green. That was kind of a bummer. And let's not forget Cobbler got grabbed N1, too. I'm scanning filters now but I remember there was a whole thread of guys trying to lynch BC at one point. I'm going to look into that group for my next solid scum read. As far as who's town? Not 100% sure. You guys seem to play with a lot of meta, so I'm working my way through multple threads at this point :/ All I can say is BKE is my 2nd choice, Mav is my first and I'm pretty solid on Hap right now. | ||
Rewok
40 Posts
We had groups of posters trying to lynch both BC and BM early on. There's gonna be at least one or two reds in there. Anyone who defended BM, BC and then voted Otto would look pretty suspicious to me. Enough to get a vote, at least. | ||
Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Looks like I have a shitton to go through with. Before I do that, though, one thing Hapa, I disagree completely with your first point on him. He confirmed his vote AFTER the mod confirmation, and the comments he made regarding him voting on mattchew: On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote: About Mattchew (who I think is town): Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. Was done BEFORE. You can't just dismiss this as if "he wasn't expecting a mod confirmation", because to be honest, neither was I. I'll read his filter considering the second part of your post and see what I think. Also, note how three-four people jumped in the bandwagon without mentioning this. I would think that this flip-flop being based on Palmar's confirmation would be fairly obvious... | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Full Case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=54#1062 Summary/Emphasis on Scumslip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=54#1080 | ||
ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On September 08 2012 02:13 Maverick32x wrote: I honestly have no problem voting BKE. I thought I was clear with reason I voted for Shiao... I wanted him to post... And look!! He's had more posts after be called out than all game! Also yes- I'm considering more than one person as scummy or pointing out odd behaviors... Am I now scum or not? Why the lack of stance e.g. "Shiao is scum!" Also you haven't switched yet and which people do you want to point out? | ||
Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I'm really struggling with a BKE lynch the more its discussed... Anyone else have thoughts? I really think Hap is town- but I'm just not sure on his read... I'm in a training so just trying to post on breaks... | ||
ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
1) BC basically claims something to be the truth, and is heavily insistent on it. This something is enough to insta-lynch Mattchew without a second thought. BK agrees with this, because he voted on Mattchew after the confirmation. 2) On this same post: On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote: About Mattchew (who I think is town): Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. What holes? If he thinks the roleclaim has many holes, why can't I find them, and why does he completely disregard this later on saying that it is a coinflip? So, from 1), it is absolutely certain that he agrees with the implication that if BC is right, then Mattchew should be auto-lynched. So, based on this post, he obviously thinks that BC is wrong. If so, why doesn't he bother convincing BC why he is wrong instead of completely ignoring him and making a bad attempt at defending Mattchew? I can't think Mattchew is innocent without thinking BC is wrong. If I want to defend Mattchew, then I sure as fuck want to confirm that BC is lying. Will get back with more. | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Deadline should be tomorrow. | ||
Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
You're also not reading.... I wanted you to post. Stop derailing this thread by making it personal . I think lurking is scummy. You were lurking. Therefore your behavior is scummy. | ||
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