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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'd also got a bunch of assumptions about the set-up now that we have seen not a single blue flip but the suicide bomber flipped. I guess not talking about that is best though. But all that makes me want to lynch Forumite even more and yeah I'd say he's the way to go for today considering that Ottox and Dr.H are dead. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Toades, what do you want most, an answer to the case on me posted during the night, or my top scumreads. It´s late and I´m too tired to do both right now. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 06 2012 22:07 austinmcc wrote: If you're still aroundGrush, if everyone in this game were a toaster, who would be the most energy-efficient? The quickest to make toast? The most likely to burn down a house? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:48 Forumite wrote: =( Toades, what do you want most, an answer to the case on me posted during the night, or my top scumreads. It´s late and I´m too tired to do both right now. I don't consider the case on you to be good and I don't agree with it. I want to lynch you because of method or elimination. So I'd rather see you talk about targets for today. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:56 Toadesstern wrote: I have two scumreads right now. I had Ottox down as scum, I was wrong but it shouldn´t affect the other reads. They are both based on the time around Matts claim. The first one is Maverick for his first post in the game, it was a reaction to Matts claim and the situation around it, and he was basically trying to divert attention to everyone else, without committing to anything. The second one is Hapa for his posts during the same time. The post below sums it up well. I don't consider the case on you to be good and I don't agree with it. I want to lynch you because of method or elimination. So I'd rather see you talk about targets for today. On September 04 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote: When I read this post at first, I see Hapa buddying up with Matt and throwing suspicion on those attacking him. It didn´t feel right, Matt claiming didn´t arouse any suspicion in him. He said hi to Matt and then chided those attacking him. Ah thanks for clearing it up. I'm just a bit wary of D1 claims in general after having seen SnB's "self-aware miller" claim in DeathNote Mini Mafia, justified or not. Howabout c) People who pick fights with people who are trying to start conversation (slOosh) for the sake of picking fights? That´s the ones that jumped out at me when reading the thread. Yes, I should reread all the spam from yesterday, I´ll see about that tomorrow. tl;dr: Hapahauli Maverick32x | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Well last night may have been a blessing in disguise considering GoodKarma flipped red. Now I'm going to be very careful going through GK's filter, since it's entirely possible his later posts are WIFOM bombs if he was planning to suicide-bomb people. However, from his earlier posts, I think we can make some educated opinions about player alignments. As a general note, I'm a bit surprised to see GK kill himself - losing 2 scum before D2 is a pretty big deal, which indicates to me that the current scum are comfortable playing from behind. (Might have to retract my Miltonkram vote based on this) Note: I'm especially wary of his fliter because he tried to buddy me all thread. I get the feeling this was an effort to get me lynched by association later in the game. GK's "suspicious lurker" lists First off, we need to decide when GoodKarma switched into "suicide mode." I find it unlikely that scum designated that GK would suicide bomb at the time he posted these lists. GK goes really silent after tunneling Ottox for a bit, and it's at that point that I believe GK locked into the suicide bombing. Thus I think we can infer a reasonable amount from these lists. Namely, that the people on them are very unlikely scum. On September 04 2012 18:38 goodkarma wrote: ... But we still should be trying to create a pro-town environment going into day two. Along those lines: The guiltiest lurkers are listed as follows, in no particular order: Gravan, austinmc, imallinson, Strongandbig, Miltonkram I look forward to hearing more from these people in particular. That being said, you can expect from me tomorrow afternoon (~12 hours from now) a case writeup highlighting my current scum reads. ... On September 05 2012 09:27 goodkarma wrote: ... Grush is at modkill-threshold. I don't expect he's going to be around all that much longer. Until he makes his first post, I consider any time spent pressuring him as a waste. On the other hand, Gravan, Lvdr, austinmc, maverick, ShadySands, and ShioPi all stand out to me as semi-lurkers. Some of them seem to have legitimate reasons (such as ShadySands), but that doesn't mean they aren't scum with legitimate reasons. ... As a side note, I really believe Gravan is town. GoodKarma mentions him casually too many times throughout his filter for him to be mafia IMO. Also he leads off with Gravan on both lists - this indicates to me that he wants to push him as a lynch. That's really all I'm willing to infer from this for now. I'll get more to this later. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=16#319 GoodKarma's first post FOS's Z-Boson on pretty inconsistent reasoning. He also interacts with Z-Boson a lot (who was attacking GK's logic) and I'm pretty comfortable with it being a genuine exchange. This is all generally consistent with my meta-read on Z-Boson as well, who's much more active in the thread than in his scum meta in Newbie XXIV. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
##Unvote Miltonkram http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=32#636 This post was made very early in GoodKarma's filter, and indicates to me that Milton is actually town. That's it for a while, more to come. As for Forumite's suspicion against me, believe what you want about "buddying up." I highly question your motives, and I'll have a lot to say about you later tonight. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I also wasn't going to be inclined to vote Ottoxlol, for the record. I felt he was a village idiot. Who knew? | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:55 austinmcc wrote: If you're still around Hmm, another fancy question. I'm assuming the first question is who provides the most information and least fluff. Second question fastest at making cases/scumhunting. Third the most chaotic/scummy. HMM | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:37 grush57 wrote: Yea but it's better than just about any other townie. Better than say the vigi going crazy and shooting Toad or something. On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote: This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game. Wouldn't mind lynching him either. first one: I agree, Ottox dead is good but I don't like the 2nd part. Why me? I'm your strongest townread? Or am I your most influential townread? The latter one would mean mafia agenda. second one: what did that post refer to? I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here and out of context saying "This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game." sounds pretty contradictory. Like you're obviously happy that town is active and good this game (right?). If that's the case what's hard? Out of context it really sounds like you don't like town being active and good, neither does it sound like you're part of "town". So what's the meaning of that post? Anyways, see you tomorrow. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On September 07 2012 09:12 Toadesstern wrote: Wouldn't mind lynching him either. first one: I agree, Ottox dead is good but I don't like the 2nd part. Why me? I'm your strongest townread? Or am I your most influential townread? The latter one would mean mafia agenda. second one: what did that post refer to? I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here and out of context saying "This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game." sounds pretty contradictory. Like you're obviously happy that town is active and good this game (right?). If that's the case what's hard? Out of context it really sounds like you don't like town being active and good, neither does it sound like you're part of "town". So what's the meaning of that post? Anyways, see you tomorrow. You're the only vet left. I just used you as an example of a townie. Second part I can't pick who is the best right now, town is just great this game compared to other games, EX: PTP Pikachu, was the point I was making. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Okay, I'm flipping through filters and I don't want to OMGUS , but come on Forumite..... your scumminess is showing... On September 05 2012 21:19 Forumite wrote: Basically that, if Matt flips town, then BC could be anything, but if Matt flips scum then BC is most likely town, and everyone who defended Matt until Palmars confirmation looks kind of bad. People who defend Matt after Palmars confirmation look bad for creating a disruption over something that is allready decided, that Matt lied and needs to die, but I think most scum jumped on the bandwagon long ago. If Matt is an Assassin then we get rid of both the 3rd Party in return for 2 townies dead. Not a good trade, but I think it´s unlikely that Matt is an assassin. There´s no point in not defending yourself to the end as a 3rd Party, while scum often shut up to avoid giving away any of their buddies. Isn´t that a different accusation? Before you accuse me of trying to get Matt to claim (meaning that you thought I was scum and Matt town), and now you say I´m scum together with Matt. To answer why I didn´t vote Matt early, at the time I was weighing on what Matt was and engaged him in conversation to get a better read, but until Palmar confirmed how Nosy Neighbors works, there wasn´t enough on Matt for me to throw down a vote. Matt was suspicious for claiming NN, but there were no proof that he was really lying at the time. Why should I vote someone who claims a town role unless I have a good reason to think he´s lying? ^ Circumstantial connections. And a lot of hypothetical connections in this defense. Not to mention he kind of alludes to the fact that by now the scum have jumped on the band wagon. Also he is REALLY trying to distance himself from Matt.. excessively so... I'll be posting more shortly- but this one just made me /facepalm and I wanted to post while still fresh in my mind. Another thing that I was thinking- Forumite accuses me and Hapahauli as his number 1 and 2 scum reads. I have 2 problems with this- 1) I'm not scum. 2) Hapahauli was one of the people who seemed adamant about asking if NN is self-aware.... that seems awfully townie to me. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Okay, ignore Hapa for a while, and leave the OMGUS out of it. Let´s talk about you. I say you made one of the most wishy-washy initial showings of this game. If this was Dwarf Fortress Mafia, I´d have voted you right away based on that post alone, and in this game I wouldn't have gotten lynched for it. You defended a confirmed scum during the crucial time during which Matts scumbuddies might have tried to save him. This is why you look bad. You wait on responding to this accusation until now, instead of yesterday when I first brought this up, and you do it by calling on the accusations others make on me. I know there are cases on me, but how does that make you look better in any way? And really, you quote the one from Bill Murray? He took back his accusations allready. Quote the ones from the end of the night instead, they are at least fresh. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Hopeless1der, Shady Sands, ShiaoPi, and honestly I'd like to put Austinmcc in there too just cause his posts are useless.. but meh Okay, Obviously my read above on Forumite still stands- but I'm going to focus on DoYouHas for this next post. He randomly decides that Bill Murray must die right away. No idea why this was important for him to post- and to be honest Bill Murray is suspicious in his own ways (not to de-rail, but a lot of one sentence responses, fluctuating 'lists' of scum etc) So my sense is that this is a way to just accuse a peer early on, knowing that it won't stick. And of course it doesn't, because he quickly /unvotes that so quickly that it doesn't even make sense why he would do it in the first place. The majority of DoYouHas's posts involve meta game. Starting right at the start its his 'friend' who wanted him to vote, and people are playing as their 'meta' which he frequently refers to. We're looking at a definite Matt lynch, and he knows it, and even states it... why wouldn't he get behind that vote? He then jumps to Hopeless1der as his next target. He just appears far too sure of himself that Hopeless is voting scum for a townie- considering his entire case is built around it. His defense involves his own meta!! This leads me to believe that he is very aware of the 'meta' in the game, and is actively trying to fit whatever he views as 'usual' for him when he is town. So there you have it!! My top 2 reads currently. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
And yes- I acknowledge I defended Matt because I had no reason NOT to. He had just made a post and a couple people started to jump on him about it. I honestly would not of voted him if Palmer didn't say that NN were not self-aware. I'm not too concerned with 'looking better' but rather trying to scum hunt and win. | ||
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