Newbie Mini Mafia XXV - Page 4

On August 26 2012 06:11 Lvdr wrote:
I like a Dandel/Shady Scumteam right now.

On August 26 2012 05:44 Lvdr wrote:


There are only 2 mafia and I find it incredibly hard to believe they would put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person (that they know is going to flip green and spell their doom down the line).

Therefore at least 1, and probably both of them are town. Their overall content, timing/context of their support, and gut feeling pegs them as town for me.

On August 26 2012 06:25 Lvdr wrote:
And shady, you relentlessly accused me of protecting WeeTee because he was my scum partner... WeeTee flipped Green!!!!

First off, he says that we should go after Weetee for scummy posting and OMGUSing left and right. Then he says we shouldn't go for me, who was previously his #1 lynch target and the player he was tunneling for thirty straight hours and even faked a town read on. Then he says we should go for Dandel Ion, a player who he has barely mentioned in any of his prior posts.

On August 26 2012 06:41 Lvdr wrote:
My fault the explicit quote was from Dandel



In terms of accusations from you that look ridiculous now, how about this?






You're either playing a superb anti-town game, or you're scum.


I'm going to step away because I am clearly getting heated.

On August 26 2012 14:48 thrawn2112 wrote:


Dandel this post doesn't make very much sense. After reading that post I have absolutely no idea what read you were giving on kush. You use as you said, arguments that are "all pretty WIFOM" and assign a null tell to mkfuba's point about kush seeming to be alone. Then you say you "think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part." And then you say that his JK claim is "not very believable." So which is it? You say you will reserve judgement on him till he explains his JK claim but I think it's perfectly obvious why both a scum or town kush would roleclaim. Newb-town kush would do it out of desperation, and scum kush would do it as a scare tactic to avoid getting lynched. I don't see why you would need to see his explanation for why he claimed blue before you can give a read on him.

On August 25 2012 02:21 Shady Sands wrote:


First off, reserving judgment on Kush is bad. Lengthening the amount of time we talk about Kush is going to shorten the amount of time we have to talk about more substantial cases like Lvdr.

Furthermore, I don't get why on one hand you understand how mkfuba can see the claim as a town-tell but on the other hand act completely confused about kush.

On August 26 2012 07:02 kushm4sta wrote:

Hi I'm here. I didn't vote for WeeTee beacuse I'm smart and I know hes not mafia. Its dandel and shady who are my two top picks.

On August 26 2012 10:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Sorry guys... I did set an alarm but apparently forgot to turn it on... either that or I turned it off in my sleep... Craaaaaap.

I am not at all happy with how this went down, if I had have been here I probably could have got the bandwagon onto Dandel Ion, which was IMO a much, much better lynch. This is particularly infuriating considering I was going to make a case vs Dandel but my protection of Kush and WeeTee, and my case against Shady, took far too long, and by this time I was pretty much in a zombie state.

Okay it is night time so we need to adjust our scopes and think about night play.

- The JK is almost certainly going to use his action to prove his innocence, that is, the Kush debacle. The town may want to consider trusting Kush to try and actually make use of his ability, I personally believe Kush to be the least questionable town due to his willingness to prove it. If WeeTee was town, then Kush is almost certainly town. We should, if possible, try to utilise him while we have him, rather than wasting valuable JK actions on proving an already certain town to be town.

- I want people to focus in on Shady and Dandel, I will eat my hat without sauce or water if both of these players flip green.

On August 26 2012 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
Meh.
Work just cut into my freetime like knife into butter.
I didn't know it would, or I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. But now I'm here.

I'll have about ~2 hours of time today in the evening. And probably the same amount for the rest of the week.
Not that I expect this time will help any, with how it looks. So I'm just gonna play GW2 for most of that. I'd much rather do that anyways. If my best fucking efforts to still be active despite everything are still not enough, no need to bother.

Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm?

A dick move?
Yeah. But I don't care anymore.

On August 26 2012 20:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
eeh, guess I'm gonna ask for a replacement.
Don't think it'll do shit, but w/e you guys want.

On August 26 2012 20:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
My reads before the flip:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=16#314

Pretty much the same now, except that Lvdr has lied on multiple occasions now.
It's puzzeling that nobody seems to have a problem with that, but w/e.

I don't believe kush's claim, and somebody asked me why I didn't vote for him then. It should be a no-brainer, but:
If he isn't JK, it's gonna come out after night 1.
If he is, we have a JK.
No matter how small I find the possibility, lynching kush day 1 would have been the worst play in fucking history, and I may be a lot of things, but I'm not THAT much of a moron.

On August 26 2012 20:31 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn you are right about that last minute change to weetee to protect dandel ion being very suspecious. Let us see who precipitated this change...
the first person so start changing peoples minds was shady.

His case was basically Lvdr had accused 3 different people, which discredits him because is too many, even though shady himself has accused I think 4 people.

Then later there is this gem.

Who can have a 100% read day 1? It's impossible.

Furthermore, he has not explained why he is the only person who still suspects me. I mean many people have said it, my innocence can be CONFIRMED. Yet he still wants to lynch me and suspects me? I guess he is just ignoring this glaring inconsistency under the guise of not wanting to discuss me because I'm a waste of time. Yet he will waste time calling me out when im absent from the thread for a few hours.

And now for his latest remark.

It's not either you believe me or you don't. Have you ever heard of uncertainty, shady? Or are you just pressuring people into lynching townies again?

On August 26 2012 20:19 Shady Sands wrote:


You haven't offered a single shred of analysis or evidence back this up. And apart from repeating my name over and over again, you haven't contributed to the scumhunt at all. You even actively sheeped your D1 vote. And you roleclaiming JK is just anti-town, period. It's at best a null tell or gives scum an easy bluesnipe, and at worst (and probably) is an attempt to fakeclaim and bait the real JK to counterclaim. And the really bad part is that you did it purely because instead of defending yourself by making cases you defended yourself by OMGUSing with one liner posts and never contributing any independent analysis at all.

On August 26 2012 20:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Damn this latest development with dandel ion not giving a shit makes both him and shady seem quite innocent.

On August 26 2012 21:33 Spaghetticus wrote:
My thoughts on it are that I would much prefer a lynch on Shady, as although I am suspicious of Dandel, this recent lack of interest is either a very good self bus play, or genuine disinterest, which I would not expect from a scum player.

On August 26 2012 22:53 kushm4sta wrote:


Oh no. I reread the rules. The scum RB is just going to RB me, so my RB isn't going to go through. I did not realize this.

On August 26 2012 22:05 kushm4sta wrote:
@Shady Sands
There is one thing in your post I agree with, the last part.


That is why people should decide who I RB. They can pick the least scummy person to minimize the chance that it will be my "scumbuddy."

As for lvdr, I find your case against him an exaggeration.

He claims he FOSed a bunch of people rapidly because he was trying to prevent lurkers. He uses the FOS differently than he should perhaps but to me it makes sense.
Yes he voted for weetee at first then change his vote to dandelion, but why would mafia do that if weetee was town anyway? Also many people changed their vote from dandelion to weetee. Changing your vote does not make you mafia.

@thrawn You have actually been riding shady's dick quite hard this game. I'm not saying it makes you suspicious but maybe you are putting too much stock in his meta.

On August 27 2012 03:31 Alsn wrote:
Wait, what? I most certainly did show up for the lynch. I changed my vote before the deadline too. Gonna write up my thoughts on the pre-lynch debacle sometime before end of the night, I've just been really busy today so far.

On August 27 2012 10:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
Kush is now confirmed town unless someone comes forward and claims they were also nightblocked. If this does not happen, then I am going to start FoSing anyone who questions him for deliberate attempts to spread confusion.