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I've just gone through Stutters' filter and, although he hasn't done much, what he did do was get at YourHarry in such a deep way that I don't think busing is the explanation.
I thought Golbat was an auto-modkill up until this page, didn't see he came back briefly.
Golbat on YH:
YourHarry, I don't know what to think about you. You always post like you have dain bramage, so the only "meta" I can pick up from you is that you're playing in this game. That being said, your "mason theory" is understandable, and i'm willing to give you a pass for sounding kind of scummy, provided you don't pull anything like that again.
Not liking the implications of "giving you a pass..."
followed up by
##FoS YourHarry
His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says.
I thought he gave him a pass? There's no accusation of some specific new behaviour to justify reversing the earlier statement.
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The latter quote came at a time when YH was the main candidate.
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Z-boson your post is incredibly emotional with use of allcaps, bold, ad hominem and very WIFOM (you think that if I was scum then I'd XYZ). Why do you expect our response to be "logical and precise" when you are not doing this?
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On August 24 2012 07:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
Like I said, if you dismiss my post as WIFOM, then you must dismiss the argument that "A scum boson would definitely do this and want us to think this" as WIFOM as well. Otherwise it becomes just bias, you are seeing just what you want to see.
You're correct, that would be biased deduction. But that's not what happened. The arguments of the two posts against you have been:
Goodkarma: "Z-Boson's scummy behavior is related to the last minute vote switch request"
Obvious: "The guy who has been laying into YH the entire game has a change of heart just before the deadline."
Those aren't "A scum Boson would be doing X". Those are, "Boson's behaviour here and here is scummy". Please give town motivations for the listed behaviour.
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EBWOP: Amend last line to "Please give YOUR motivations for the listed behaviour"
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Boson, you do not have a case on me beyond what DarthPunk posted (which is accurate in content). You just rephrased his arguments with the help of my own defence post. The purpose of the defence post was to give motivations for my suboptimal behaviour. You brought nothing new to the thread.
There is a very big difference between the two statements in your last paragraph. I think this is a logical error on your part and you need to reread them a few times. The first is stating a fact supported by some evidence in the thread, and the second is a hypothetical argument making a number of unverifiable assumptions.
We are still in the gathering phase, whereby people are actively finding new evidence and writing them up. Instead of answering every little post against you, you would be better served finding more evidence on me, or finding other targets for your list.
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On August 24 2012 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:
One question would ask SOLAR?
You tried to alter the vote at the last minute whilst you were the other leading candidate. Who would you have voted for and why? if we had decided to not vote for YH.
solarsail wrote: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 08:10 goodkarma wrote:
TL;DR:
One last time: we don't have the time to vote switch. You do if you all verbally agree that you'd do it at 10 minutes to, and anyone that didn't would be immediately voted at 5 minutes to. IRC mafia decisions can be done in much less time with everyone there.
I was stating it would be possible to change the vote at that time. I intended to vote for whoever goodkarma was voting for. This is also why I changed to YH with no reason given, I actually had no good read on him and was leaving it to players with a better handle on his posts to decide whether he was scum.
If I hadn't committed to following gk I would have voted Obvious because of the existing arguments about Ochrow plus his overreaction to being asked to explain Ochrow's motivation.
Due to his more recent posting, Obvious is no longer a strong candidate to me and I will revisit his filter within the next hour.
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Obvious:
After his initial reaction to being pressured on Ochrow's posts immediately after joining, his actions have been consistent and, importantly, proactive.
- He first delivers a case on me, before DP does, that makes sense (points out an inconsistency of mine) and is different to what DP talks about
- He switches to YH because he agrees with the case on him and has it about the same strength as on me, but YH has more support to be lynched and YH's posting would be a continued threat to the town if left alive. He's still up for lynching me so this is a justified change.
- He picks up GK's Z-boson and Golbat because they were on his earlier scum list, although that earlier list was unjustified and was just a list of names. He hasn't flopped on anyone since the start.
I'm satisfied that Obvious is behaving much less scummy than previously.
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On August 24 2012 09:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Z - Boson what is your position on Golbat? as I have stated eariler I feel he is most likely just an inactive townie. I would Like ever yones position on him.
Other than mine and Goodkarma's reads on him by association with YH and Z-boson, his filter is so short that I don't think it's possible to make other scum reads. If town is back a good position now we should consider lynching lurkers again because we neglected to do this earlier.
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I was not informed of any roleblock last night.
Thus Z-Boson is lying and I am forced to
##Vote Z-BosoN
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Considering what Keirathi said (if I am reading correctly, that roleblocks still go through even if the roleblocker himself is blocked), can anyone think of a scenario in which Z-boson could have roleblocked me that would mean I was NOT informed?
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I'm sticking with Z-Boson for now because I am certain he is lying on roleblocking me last night.
However based on my earlier post:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 24 2012 05:51 Solarsail wrote:Golbat on YH: Show nested quote +YourHarry, I don't know what to think about you. You always post like you have dain bramage, so the only "meta" I can pick up from you is that you're playing in this game. That being said, your "mason theory" is understandable, and i'm willing to give you a pass for sounding kind of scummy, provided you don't pull anything like that again. Not liking the implications of "giving you a pass..." followed up by Show nested quote +##FoS YourHarry
His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says. I thought he gave him a pass? There's no accusation of some specific new behaviour to justify reversing the earlier statement.
and others' arguments (his filter is so short that not much else is possible), I agree Golbat is a good lynch candidate and if I can't get more support for Z-Boson I am prepared to vote for him if needed (in a close situation).
Presumably Z-Boson will vote DP and hence Golbat is set lynched as it stands.
Requesting vote count
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1. If there is absolutely no way that Z-Boson could have roleblocked me as a night action without me recieving notification about it, he is definitely lying and hence definitely scum.
2. Thus either I or him are scum
3. I am prepared to be lynched in order to implicate Z-Boson and will self-vote to do so if necessary.
If anyone knows of a way (I would be not have been informed) AND (Z-boson is not lying) please inform me as that is essential to my plan.
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What if there's more than 3 mafia?
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nvm town would have lost today if so.
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When would an XXVI likely be starting up?
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I just played anti-town for the first two days and then obviously the remainder of the time. I pretty much deserved to be up for that lynch.
I'll be playing better next game.
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