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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:03 GMT
#661
@Stutters:

Thank you for your case!


But a couple things:

First, Shady is dead...

Second, I urge you to look into if his play has a scum agenda than if his play has some inconsistencies. Otherwise, for all we know YourHarry is playing a really, really bad town game. Upon re-reading your post, you actually seem to have done a decent job of this.


My current read on YourHarry: I also believe that YourHarry is scum. Some things that have stuck out specifically to me (outside of "associative reads"):

I do find it a little suspicious he tunneled me so hard with such a weak case early game. Especially considering his early pre-game comments. I could see him, as scum, believing I'd be an easy target based off my admittedly weak performance in NMM XXIII.

However, the biggest move that could be from a scum agenda I've seen from YourHarry so far is his last minute vote switch to Shady day one. Offing the most vocal town presence day one was very beneficial to the scum team.


His views on Thrawn and Ochrow seem very suspect by association, but keep in mind none of these players have flipped yet. I don't think this was really a large motivating factor in your read, but still I felt it was worth mentioning.

With all that being said, I'm going to take a quick reassessment of YourHarry's filter before the voting deadline (in other words, in the upcoming hour).
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:06 GMT
#662
gk, I want to make clear: my read on thrawn stands on its own. I am prepared to lynch Ochrow for being my strongest read but only if it goes through, because thrawn/YH/ochrow are so close in verbal support that if we have in fact made a mistake like one of the three isn't mafia then the mafia members we could easily see a switch close to deadline.

So here's what I'm going to do. I will vote Obvious, and then right before deadline I will vote Thrawn UNLESS I can ensure an Obvious lynch by sticking. Anyone who changes vote right before deadline without a pre-existing read of that person being scum I am going to take as mafia manipulation.

##Vote Obvious.660
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:07 GMT
#663
On August 19 2012 15:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 15:05 YourHarry wrote:
EDBWOP:


@Thrawn You said this was not your breadcrumb post. What was your intention with the bolded part:

On August 17 2012 14:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
I could not understand why shady was pushing so hard to have me lynched. I had given him sufficient arguments to back down on his claims, and I didn't feel like he was paying attention to any of my responses. My being lynched would benefit the scum team, and so the longer he continued to press his case against me the more and more I thought he was scum. Archrun was another player who moved to lynch me for reasons I didn't think were genuine so I also thought he could be scum. My vote for shady was based on shady being the most vocal, and in my eyes, stubborn about me being scum. The current debate is over whether I or Archrun are scum. Before the vote Archrun said that if shady is town, then I should be lynched. Yourharry is saying that if Archrun is scum, then I am town. My efforts are going to be focused on going through Archrun's filter, and I will post about it if I find something worth bringing up.

I don't think that town should focus 100% on Archrun and I. After I go through Archrun's filter I will also read through the filters of the people most outspoken in the debate over shady/thrawn and I think everyone else should do the same. I realize I haven't posted much of substance, but I thought it was worth saying that Archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated.


First it seems redundant as town to say "me being lynched is not good for town" but to say in a more active form "me being lynched is good for scum" makes it feel like you are claiming a power role.

Second, are you not discouraging the detective to check someone other than you or Archrun?


The first part was to explain why I voted for shady. Look at that bolded part in context with the rest of the sentence and it makes sense. The second part was based on the true statement that archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated. It isn't good for town to limit investigations to only two people, and because I accidentally mislynched a green player (shady) I realized that I was being too focused on my reads and not bothering to give a hard enough look at other players.


I am having second thoughts about Thrawn. First thing that doesn't make sense if Thrawn is scum: If Thrawn is indeed scum then he left that "bread crumb" post so that he can use that as evidence to mislead the town that he is vigilante. But Thrawn denied this post as the "bread crumb" post, and in his initial claim, he never even referenced this post in the first place...

Second thing that I am not sure about is that, claiming vigilante is so dangerous for scum. One weak point in this line of thinking is that Thrawn did ask the mod to confirm that there could be more than one vigilante. I think it is possible that scum Thrawn DID ask the moderator in private prior to asking publicly that there could be more than one vigilante.

STILL, whether or not there could be two vigilante... a counter vigilante claim would definitely have made Thrawn look suspicious. Would it not? I am not sure scum would have taken this risk.
Never!
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#664
gk, Stutters was quoting someone else in the part about Shady. It wasn't well formatted because it was an ebwop.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
August 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#665
OK so i am pretty sure (assuming 3 mafia) that barring a successful medic save, mislynch tonight and we are in MYLO. 7-3 minus 2 town 5-3 = Mylo.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#666


I am having second thoughts about Thrawn.


What a surprise. Scum YH has a good motivation for this: be accused as one of the three, bus Thrawn to save yourself when the case against you looks strong, and backtrack on that close to deadline when he's about to be lynched and people are talking about switching.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
August 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#667
On August 20 2012 07:32 goodkarma wrote:
@Obvious,

I'm glad to see you're back.

You're right in that you can't see Ochrow's game plan via telepathy. But you should still be able to help us see Ochrow's motivations from a town perspective (if you indeed are town). What's more, you haven't weighed in on either Thrawn or YourHarry, who are both under heavy suspicion and one of whom (Thrawn) is currently set to be lynched.


It may seem unfair to be expected, as a replacement, to pick up exactly where your predecessor left off, but this is what I'm expecting of you nonetheless. Even after reading a few pages of case posts against the two top lynch candidates you should have some kind of read on them. So please share your impressions with us.

And please share what you think Ochrow's motivations were for his play.

Why would you need me to tell you what Ochrow's perspective is, as town? Are you not town enough to figure it out yourself? He has a one page filter and all of his experience with Mafia was in-person games. That should get you started.

Hey guys, meet scum #2:
On August 20 2012 07:49 Solarsail wrote:
@Z-boson, Obvious

I see we've ditched logic in favour of the impassioned rant.

Obvious, that is the worst deliberate post in this thread. You still didn't respond to the thrawn case, or any ongoing case except yourself. No one is expecting you to defend Ochrow's every word, you're responding to a threat that doesn't exist and you're not even up for lynch so I can't call it desperation.

You claimed town. Why would you even do that.
You're actually blaming Ochrow ('maybe he banned himself'). However those bad posts form part of your record, so with the information you have you can do a LOT more than simply throw your hands up.
You mentioned a QT to deny it. Everyone had given up on QT based speculation, why would you bring it back in?
You continued to OMGUS attack goodkarma, when he has been asking only for the kind of info everyone needs from you as a replacement player.


That's a lot of fluffy information there there, matey.

I am not expected to defend all the arguments against Ochrow but I'm expected to defend myself on behalf of Ochrow. Okay then. The only thing worth mentioning that he did was vote for Archrun. No real scum reads so he went with a vote on a lurker. Yeah, Ochrow played a very scummy town. You have him nailed down. Too bad I'm not Ochrow. If you really, truly need to find out that I am telling the truth how about you NK me tonight and high five your scum buddies tomorrow.

See, that's the thing about this game. It's not all just educated guessing. Some of it is intuition, and I seem to be more in tune with mine and willing to go with it than you are with yours. The town is being led by the nose.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#668
But I am scared to unvote, because I will be the next person to be lynched after Thrawn
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:14 GMT
#669
Also, I have hard time understanding scum Thrawn attempting to pull off vigilante stunt when he could have simply targeted someone other than Archrun. Archrun then would have been the next lynch target
Never!
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:14 GMT
#670
EBWOP: I quoted YourHarry in my 8:09 post in case that wasn't clear.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:16 GMT
#671
@Obvious:

Really? Instead of giving us your impressions your only reaction is to OMGUS the two people voting you?

@YourHarry:

As always, you should be voting your best read. Being scared of getting lynched isn't helping your case. That's a scum reaction. If you're really town, you still have 45 mins. to convince people to vote for your top scum read, and that's what you should be doing.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:17 GMT
#672
On August 20 2012 08:09 Solarsail wrote:
Show nested quote +


I am having second thoughts about Thrawn.


What a surprise. Scum YH has a good motivation for this: be accused as one of the three, bus Thrawn to save yourself when the case against you looks strong, and backtrack on that close to deadline when he's about to be lynched and people are talking about switching.


That is not the reason for my switch, but I understand your suspicion. I can't move my vote for now because if I do, I will be lynched.
Never!
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:19 GMT
#673
On August 20 2012 08:17 YourHarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 08:09 Solarsail wrote:


I am having second thoughts about Thrawn.


What a surprise. Scum YH has a good motivation for this: be accused as one of the three, bus Thrawn to save yourself when the case against you looks strong, and backtrack on that close to deadline when he's about to be lynched and people are talking about switching.


That is not the reason for my switch, but I understand your suspicion. I can't move my vote for now because if I do, I will be lynched.


You can move your vote with an even stronger case on someone else. I encourage you to do so because your initial vote against Thrawn wasn't with much evidence.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:22 GMT
#674
Fuck... we don't have a lot of time. GK, how the heck is it pro-town to risk getting yourself mislynched in attempt to save someone who you *think* may be town, now. Even if what Thrawn is saying is true, he is not a power role any more and while I think I may be wrong about him I am not 100% sure. There is a chance that he could be scum.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:25 GMT
#675
I am not super confident in my scum read. Upon my reading just now, I found Jhyut case's scummy. Sheeping Thrawn's case here, but Jhyut did not care whether I am town or scum - he wanted to lynch me. I thought he was something else, but I guess I was wrong again. HE is also lurking pretty hard, so he may turn out to be scum
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:27 GMT
#676
##Unvote
##Vote Jhyut
Never!
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
August 19 2012 23:27 GMT
#677
Woooow
I simply can't process what YH is saying. His posting is utter garbage, his explanations make little sense...
This behavior is quite scummy and has been like this since day one.
Right now I tend to agree with DarthPunk, YH's posts about thrawn have been especially messed up.
I'm sticking with thrawn, because I'm pretty damn sure he's scum, I find it extremely hard to think he is vigi, and I agree with the YH + thrawn scumteam.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:29 GMT
#678
@YourHarry:

What do you think of Obvious/Ochrow? I feel the case against Ochrow has already been well presented, but Obvious's OMGUS response so far instead of constructive contributions on current lynch candidates gives me a scum read on him (even if for a second I were to ignore Ochrow ever existed...). What are your thoughts and impressions on this?

And who is your strongest scum read if it's not Thrawn? Golbat? I would be interested in knowing. And if you are a townie in danger of being mislynched it would benefit all of us to know your reads before you potentially die and any reads you haven't shared are lost forever.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:29 GMT
#679
Nvm. YourHarry just sniped me.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:31 GMT
#680
On August 20 2012 08:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
Woooow
I simply can't process what YH is saying. His posting is utter garbage, his explanations make little sense...
This behavior is quite scummy and has been like this since day one.
Right now I tend to agree with DarthPunk, YH's posts about thrawn have been especially messed up.
I'm sticking with thrawn, because I'm pretty damn sure he's scum, I find it extremely hard to think he is vigi, and I agree with the YH + thrawn scumteam.


Did you read my defense of Thrawn. What part of it does NOT make sense to you? Would scum really plan to fake vig? You dont think it's risky? WHen scum Thrawn could have easily taken the safer way of not lynching Archrun, and hten going after Archrun during the day?
Never!
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