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Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:31 GMT
#681
On August 20 2012 08:27 YourHarry wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Jhyut


Justification?
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:32 GMT
#682
@YourHarry:

But still if you have any thoughts on Obvious I'd love to hear them.

@Z-Boson:

I've asked you before, but I'll ask you again.: Can you please share your current thoughts on the Obvious/Ochrow case.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:33 GMT
#683
On August 20 2012 08:29 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:

What do you think of Obvious/Ochrow? I feel the case against Ochrow has already been well presented, but Obvious's OMGUS response so far instead of constructive contributions on current lynch candidates gives me a scum read on him (even if for a second I were to ignore Ochrow ever existed...). What are your thoughts and impressions on this?

And who is your strongest scum read if it's not Thrawn? Golbat? I would be interested in knowing. And if you are a townie in danger of being mislynched it would benefit all of us to know your reads before you potentially die and any reads you haven't shared are lost forever.


My case against Golbat and Darth was based on my scum read on Thrawn. Not sure anymore.

Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:36 GMT
#684
GK, could you summarize your case against Obvious/Orchrow. I didn't think he was particularly scummy.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:36 GMT
#685
@GK Never mind. I will go read your case again.

@Solar, my brief explanation is in the post before my vote.
Never!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
August 19 2012 23:37 GMT
#686
Seems like Thrawn and Your Harry are trying to get a counter wagon going on someone. Harry's vote change is not consistent with his past view where he was 100% sure thrawn was scum. He even called me out for changing my vote from thrawn to him.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:37 GMT
#687
On August 20 2012 08:36 YourHarry wrote:
@GK Never mind. I will go read your case again.

@Solar, my brief explanation is in the post before my vote.


Ah didn't see, thanks.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
August 19 2012 23:38 GMT
#688
could we have a vote count please
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
August 19 2012 23:38 GMT
#689
On August 20 2012 08:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 07:21 Obvious.660 wrote:
Holy shit, I've been in the game for 7 hours and have 3 posts and am already getting called out for lurking. You guys are doing an incredible job at that policy shit.

I'm just gonna get real with you for a minute, sons. The rest of the you seem to think that killing off the closest thing you have to a confirmed town member (Thrawn) is a good idea and are still holding what I can tell you was simply piss-poor town play from Ochrow against me, the vanilla manilla town member with no super powers. One town lynch today, one town lynch tomorrow, and scum are laughing all the way to the bank.

+ Show Spoiler [in which gk holds a grudge] +
On August 20 2012 07:03 goodkarma wrote:
@SolarSail:

Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 06:44 Solarsail wrote:
My current vote, thrawn. He did a very poor job of defending himself initially with the WIFOM and the claim (which if real is both highly convenient and misplaced), but then he's improved by responding to more accusations. I know 'lack of reading' is a general accusation against him but D1 I thought he was responding quite well, in full and with evidence, to all questions asked. So I would say it's just a D2 behaviour to be missing things a little.

I agree with much of gk's posting minus the initial shared QT accusation because that is unlikely to have produced the coincidental posts with the same agenda. The lying to us, lurking, nonaggression and general avoidance of Ochrow/Obvious stands out a lot more (oh and the OMGUS vote) and YH has demonstrated some serious read errors and flip flops if he is indeed town. So my case against Thrawn is mostly by association with YH and Ochrow than directly. I will keep my vote on him because it is a combined one from gk's case and thrawn's individual behaviour. However /unlike/ GK I will not switch around as people's defences go up and down with each post. I will be around at the deadline but I don't plan to switch.

The lurkers simply have not posted enough to make any case as strong as vs Thrawn or vs Obvious so I can't justify voting for them instead of those two. This is possibly by design; if so they are lucky that D1 was intense and D2 was focused on a single case to avoid attention.



So, in other words, you're saying that Thrawn looks scummy by association with Obvious and YourHarry? I've already mentioned this before, but you should vote your strongest scum read. Voting because of association, when none of the suspects have actually flipped, can be dangerous. I've already described how this could cause bias, and it is one of the reasons for switching my vote. Ochrow just outright is a stronger scum read than Thrawn for me right now.

I don't follow your logic when you say you won't switch your vote, when it seems you already have a stronger scum read on Ochrow/Obvious than on Thrawn. If your read is solely based off "association," then I would urge you to reconsider your vote.

And regarding my vote switch, I'm not following a policy of "present your defense and I won't vote for you." But the fact that Ochrow, and now Obvious, have not presented a defense of any kind to the case points against him gives me a stronger scum read on him. His choice to afk from thread until after the vote tells me he's trying to buy enough time to survive today's lynch and make it to the next day, which is scum-motivated behavior.


GK, your points against Obvious are exactly what? The only valid thing you said against me was that I disappeared from the thread for a while. You're so engrossed in your delusion that Ochrow was scum that you're transferring it to me and on the basis of what, exactly? I'd love to try to respond to those allegations but I'm not Ochrow so you present to me an impossible challenge bordering on telepathy. How can I know what Ochrow's long game was when I'm not allowed to contact him? There's no QT to refer to, I'm all by my lonesome here and I can sort of see why maybe his ban could have been on purpose since this game is full of delusional people.

How about you all take a step back and reboot, have a reality check and maybe figure out why it is that the town is hell-bent on destroying itself and who the people behind it are.


HEHE this is the Obvious I remember <3. However like your predecessor you are defending thrawn and have barely mentioned Your Harry. This is incredibly suspicious as, if you had read the thread and peoples cases against them I don;t see how you could state that Thrawn is the closest thing to confirmed town. Or not mention YH at all.

I'm in a rush here, WWE PPV tonight and I'm getting picked up to hang with my cousins. Darth, if you follow the train of thought on your own you will know the truth about me (bolded part).

Yeah, you're right, I don't really know how strong the situation is against Thrawn, but it seems that if it's between YH and Thrawn I will pick Thrawn as a lynch target today. The main reason is: Vig shot target is kind of rediculous. Maybe it wasn't in context of the thread, but I have only spent maybe 1.5-2 active hours with the thread today and will read deeper into everything on the night cycle to give better reads. Sorry I replaced like 10 hours from deadline or whatever it was but I'm out the door.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: THRAWN
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 23:48:03
August 19 2012 23:47 GMT
#690
Vote Count, cowboys

YourHarry (3): DarthPunk, Jhuyt, Stutters695
thrawn2112 (3): Golbat, Z-Boson, Obvious.660
Jhuyt (2): thrawn2112, YourHarry
Obvious.660 (2): goodkarma, Solarsail

YourHarry set to be lynched. Just over 10 mins to lynch
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:47 GMT
#691
GK, so you think Ochrow is scum because of associative tells (for defending me and possible QT talk with Thrawn). Knowing my alignment and since I am not sure THrawn is scum, I don't know if this point has any merit.

Other than that he is lurking, which is true, and he has been wishy washy (also true).

His filter doesn't seem particularly scummy to me.
Never!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
August 19 2012 23:51 GMT
#692
yourharry what does you knowing your alignment have anything to do with your thoughts on the thrawn/ochrow qt theory?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:51 GMT
#693
I think I am set to be lynched right now. Can we decide someone other than Thrawn and me to vote against?
Never!
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#694
Vote reverting to Thrawn per my earlier post since an Obvious lynch is not really possible in 7 minutes.

##Vote: Thrawn2112
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#695
On August 20 2012 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
yourharry what does you knowing your alignment have anything to do with your thoughts on the thrawn/ochrow qt theory?


GK was accusing Ochrow for defending me. I guess it is possible for scum Ochrow to defend me too, but I thought GK was saying that scum Ochrow was defending his scum partner in me.
Never!
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
August 19 2012 23:54 GMT
#696
On August 20 2012 08:32 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:

But still if you have any thoughts on Obvious I'd love to hear them.

@Z-Boson:

I've asked you before, but I'll ask you again.: Can you please share your current thoughts on the Obvious/Ochrow case.


What? I read your filter, where did you ask me?
Why are you so pushy that we say this?
To be honest, my main scumteam is:

1) thrawn
2) Yourharry
3)???
I haven't thought too much into the ??? but I have the following suspicions:
??? = Obvious, due to Ochrows suspicious play earlier on and general lurkiness
??? = You, I have yet to figure out if your "I am sure thrawn is scum" to "let's not vote on thrawn" has sufficient backing by thrawns posts.
??? = Someone else

I've been spending most of my time so far figuring out if I am not exaggerating on the thrawn vote, which I've already concluded I'm not, and also trying to get a read on YH, which has been hard because his posts are amazingly confusing.
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 19 2012 23:54 GMT
#697
EBWOP in case unvoting is needed

##Unvote
##Vote: Thrawn2112
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 19 2012 23:54 GMT
#698
On August 20 2012 08:53 Solarsail wrote:
Vote reverting to Thrawn per my earlier post since an Obvious lynch is not really possible in 7 minutes.

##Vote: Thrawn2112


If I had to choose, I would pick Obvious over Thrawn.

I am willing to vote for Obvious at this point. Guys, can we move ??
Never!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
August 19 2012 23:55 GMT
#699
also @obvious

the vig shot I claimed was completely in line with everything I had said during the last half of D1 and all of N1
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:57 GMT
#700
Of my three scum suspects, I feel Thrawn is the worst lynch choice as his claim is semi-confirmable. Apparently many of you don't think that. Since one of the three is almost guaranteed to be lynched right now, I will stand by my current vote for the time being.

@YourHarry:

Okay. I at least understand where you're coming from now (though I don't agree with you), so thank your for presenting your thoughts on Ochrow.
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