Newbie Mini Mafia XXIV - Page 10

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 15 2012 04:32 GMT

#181

On August 15 2012 13:20 YourHarry wrote:
Shady. I guess there is a small chance that I could be wrong. But if I am right, it is not a good idea to reveal this information. Let's move on for now.

What is the information? Why are you so sure he's town?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 15 2012 04:41 GMT

#182

Shady, unless GK or someone starts accusing me I standby my decision.

What do you think about mkfuba. He in one hand defends Solar against your case, but non-committingly adds that Solar is not acting against pro-town behavior. Scum mkfuba motivated to push Solar mislynch, expecting subsequent emotional and "snarky" behavior from Solar.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 15 2012 04:46 GMT

#183

On August 15 2012 13:28 YourHarry wrote:
Actually I find mkfuba suspicious. Although I think Solar did act somewhat scummy (and I voted him at one point), I think Solar is town. There were four people who thought Solar was scum: Shady, YourHarry, thrawn, and mkfuba. After three people expressed suspicion on Solar, Mkfuba opportunistically but non-committingly fuels Solar bandwagon:

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You're making stuff up, now. I've never once said that Solar was scum. I've been trying to get him to respond to Shady's questions in a way that actually helps town instead of snarky one-liners that provide nothing but suspicion. How does that quote in any way fuel a bandwagon against Solar? I've made it quite clear that I see his actions as those of a panicked townie.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 15 2012 04:49 GMT

#184

On August 15 2012 13:41 YourHarry wrote:
Shady, unless GK or someone starts accusing me I standby my decision.

What do you think about mkfuba. He in one hand defends Solar against your case, but non-committingly adds that Solar is not acting against pro-town behavior. Scum mkfuba motivated to push Solar mislynch, expecting subsequent emotional and "snarky" behavior from Solar.

I'm not in any way pushing for a lynch of Solar right now. Again, you're making things up. I never said he was "not acting against pro-town behaviour." In fact, I've said that he is acting against pro-town behaviour. That was the whole point of everything I've said. He is not at all acting pro-town, but has yet to do anything I see as downright scummy. How you've misinterpreted that without some alternative intent behind it is beyond me.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 15 2012 04:49 GMT

#185

You are defending Solar on writing and even pointing out that Shady's case seems insubstantial, but expecting Solar to continue his trolling behavior, you can use that to accuse him.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 15 2012 04:51 GMT

#186

Fine. Maybe I was paranoid. I expected Solar to continue to act against pro-town behavior and I thought you were trying to use that to further support his wagon.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

August 15 2012 04:52 GMT

#187

YourHarry, who do you find most scummy at this exact point in time?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 15 2012 04:54 GMT

#188

I found mkfuba scummy, but I may have been too focused on people trying to target Solar.

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 15 2012 05:12 GMT

#189

Why would you wait for GK to accuse you before changing your decision?

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 15 2012 05:14 GMT

#190

@YourHarry:
When did you check your role PM this time?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 15 2012 05:17 GMT

#191

Mkfuba, good question! But not quite correct, I checked my PM before I posted. But you are in the right ball park.

But let's forget everything I said about Solar. I will re-evaluate when more people post.

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 15 2012 05:19 GMT

#192

Again, why are you so sure Solar is town?

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 15 2012 05:19 GMT

#193

Agreed. I'm going to try to get some sleep. Hopefully the others will post by morning.

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 15 2012 05:20 GMT

#194

EBWOP: I'm not sure what YH is doing when he keeps enigmatically referring to some magical way he knows Solarsail is town.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 15 2012 05:26 GMT

#195

Shady, maybe I am wrong. I take back what I said about Solar. But for now, he seems be a newbie town that is overly confident based to his town alignment. Sorry, if I am not making any sense right now...

Shady Sands

United States4021 Posts

August 15 2012 05:28 GMT

#196

3 people have still yet to post:

Golbat
Och
Jhuyt

YH, don't just take back your assertions when people ask for reasons--that's not pro-town casework. I want to know what made you think Solar was town.

Golbat

United States499 Posts

August 15 2012 06:18 GMT

#197

Hey guys! This is my second game (Not counting XXIII where I /obs'd after the reset). Hopefully I play better than I did in my last game t.t

So far, I think that the scummiest person i've seen is thrawn. He's not really said much of substance, which is of course understandable being so early in the game, but his fixation on making sure people know there could be an SK in the game is a little bit strange. The other person I find a little bit unnerving is Shady Sands. I feel like after the fiasco that was day 1 of XXII, Shady might have learned that new players who make emotionally-charged defenses of themselves and generally overreact to being targeted by someone is a trait of someone who is town. Perhaps Shady preparing a wagon that is simple to wash your hands of after the flip ("Well he WAS acting pretty scummy")

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

August 15 2012 06:25 GMT

#198

On August 15 2012 15:18 Golbat wrote:

So far, I think that the scummiest person i've seen is thrawn. He's not really said much of substance, which is of course understandable being so early in the game, but his fixation on making sure people know there could be an SK in the game is a little bit strange.

Is this something I need to defend myself on? I am not sober right now so I don't think I could type a clear response till I wake up. Going to sleep now, I hope to wake up and see some more posts.

Ochrow

United States110 Posts

August 15 2012 06:42 GMT

#199

Howdy. Like most of you here, still getting the hang of this especially since this is my first game of forum mafia (sorry Shady no filters or meta for me yet). What little experience I do have is from playing live with some TL friends of mine, and one trend that I remember a lot from that was that scum had a stronger tendency towards the deflection/OMGUS style of play. And so along the same line of though Solar does seem a bit scummy to me. I see what a few people, particularly Shady, have been saying about his first post and that seems logical to me, but more than that is his persistence with just the general "why are you attacking me attack him/her" stuff that makes me suspicious. So while I don't feel strongly enough to vote I do want to just throw it out there that Solar you should really try to focus on changing your attitude and respond to questions rather than just be sarcastic and/or deflecting.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 15 2012 07:03 GMT

#200

Good work guys. I go to play league for a couple hours and come back to this.

Regarding Solarsail:
I didn't see that post as a soft accusation of me. My reasoning for thinking this is that it was the second post of the game. Likewise to a few other people, the thought hadn't occurred to me until Shady brought it up. From a scum perspective he has absolutely nothing to gain by accusing me of being scum that early. Taking this as anything more than a null read currently is a mistake IMO.

What's more telling currently is his responses to what should have been a joke of pressure that early in Day 1. His sarcastic arguing and OMGUS vote leave me a lot more suspicious.

@Solarsail You need to stop trolling and try and get some info or you're just asking to be lynched, regardless of wether or not you're town.

@Shady Sands In your first post you say that of policy that we should "stop OGMUS wars" (emphasis mine, kept the whole quote for context). Yet other than pre-game banter your only posts until halfway through the 2nd page of your filter are all about confrontations to Solarsail/defending your accusation of a very, very weak case.

On August 15 2012 09:42 Shady Sands wrote:
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I'm still really mad at Hapa for essentially winning on luck in XXIII. Had GK actually spoken up in the game, Hapa wouldn't have had the GK lynch to work off of and we scum could have safely NK'd him without worrying about a medic save.

Howdy town. Let's kick some scum ass. A few policy notes:

Lynch all lurkers. That's how town caught scum in XXIII. But don't overly rely on this, scum can fake D1 activity pretty well.
Observe, observe, and observe. If someone acts strangely, lynch them. This includes checking everyone's metas from previous games.
- All players here--please list all the games you have played previously, as well as which roles you played, along with filters for your posts. Here are my links:
  My XXIII Filter, where I was scum
  My XXII Filter, where I was Mason with Keirathi
If someone isn't forthcoming with information ("I have a read but I'm not going to share it because of blah") lynch them.
If someone isn't actively pushing new cases with their posts, press them on it.
Stop OMGUS wars. They're not productive. If two people are OMGUSing each other, tell them to stop, don't just sit there and let them keep yelling at each other. The only ones who win off mass OMGUSing are scum.

That's all for now, good luck everyone.

So far you've accused Solarsail for soft-accusing me and focused on administrative stuff (getting filters, posting who hasn't posted yet) for a combined 14 posts. I understand that you're trying to get conversation started which is great, but I noticed you missed or ignored Z-BosoN's post directed towards you about Meta-Analysis. He's asked this twice and you've ignored him both times.

@Shady Sands

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Regarding meta. As mentioned in earlier mafias, metas are good to keep in mind, but they are weak to base your arguments on. What we want to look at people's earlier games are their reasoning, their ferocity in detecting and attacking suspicious behavior, and their general ability to detect flaws in arguments. Even with equal roles, one player will most likely not post in the same manner or the same tone as in past games.

My question to you is:
Why do you feel that getting filters is so necssary?

The best way to catch scum is still to hunt in tthe thread with meta-analysis only serving as the final nail in the coffin. The repeated posts on this makes me feel like there is the possibility that you're using this to be active without really hunting (1 weak accusation and 1 glaringly obvious accusation so far). Your overall level of activity makes me believe this isn't the case but I want to hear your explination.

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