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DarthPunk
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YourHarry
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:09 YourHarry wrote: Did we just catch 2 scums?? Given that half the town hasn't posted yet, I think we should still be careful to jump into voting for Thrawn or Solar. Once the whole town has gotten a chance to talk and we have a full day's worth of posts to go off of, then I think we can say for sure who is scum and who isn't. But right now, Thrawn and Solar are looking like the leading lynch candidates. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 15 2012 11:59 YourHarry wrote: @Z-boson, posting filters is pretty easy. Why not. @Shady Sands. You are accusing Solarsail of being hostile? You think scums are more likely to respond with hostility? Thrawn on the other hand is busy posting fluffs and WIFOM statement like "It could be that you, as mafia, know he is town and are taking advantage of solar's emotional reactions by drawing them out even further and immediately sidetracking everyone onto solar's case." ##Vote Thrawn My last post might have seemed to be quite a stretch, but I am still of the opinion that solar's posts are somewhat likely to be emotional overreactions rather than scummy. Based on that opinion it's not a stretch to be suspicious of shady's motives and thus I made that post. All that being said, the more solar posts the more wary I am of him. All of his posts are sarcastic, attempts at humor, or name calling. Solar, you really need to make your posts more about content than your emotions so that if you are truly town we will be able to get a better read on you. Shady, the main focus of your attention on solar is based on this: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. I'm not sure I'm getting why you think this is scummy, could you explain? His posts since that point are what caused me to be suspicious of him, but I never quite understood the reasoning behind your initial interrogation. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Sigh... I really hope this entire day doesn't revolve around you because you got off to a bad start. I feel it's more likely you're an overaggressive townie right now. Seeing as how this is your first game I would recommend you take a look at prior games and how people present "cases" on other people. Try to show us why you feel someone is scummy rather than blindly accusing people. The last thing I want is for us to waste an entire day getting a bad townie lynched. And obligatory game filters: Vanilla townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315&user=81106 Godfather: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=81106 | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Vanilla Townie is NMM XXII Godfather is NMM XXIII | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:16 thrawn2112 wrote: My last post might have seemed to be quite a stretch, but I am still of the opinion that solar's posts are somewhat likely to be emotional overreactions rather than scummy. Based on that opinion it's not a stretch to be suspicious of shady's motives and thus I made that post. All that being said, the more solar posts the more wary I am of him. All of his posts are sarcastic, attempts at humor, or name calling. Solar, you really need to make your posts more about content than your emotions so that if you are truly town we will be able to get a better read on you. Shady, the main focus of your attention on solar is based on this: I'm not sure I'm getting why you think this is scummy, could you explain? His posts since that point are what caused me to be suspicious of him, but I never quite understood the reasoning behind your initial interrogation. Not to repeat myself, but here's the reasoning: And it didn't make sense to me. Why would Solar make this post if he's town? It's not pro-town to post on which style a scum might or might be playing. Then I read his post in context of the first post that stutters made, and it seemed like Solar is trying to soft accuse stutters--because stutters post was short, and didn't hold any information that disagrees with the general direction (as telling people to read a guide is about as plain as someone can get.) The second possibility here, aside from soft-accusing stutters, is that Solar is trying to look participatory. He states this himself, later. Why would a townie try to look participatory from his first post onwards? No one has accused Solar of anything yet, so why the desire to look like he's contributing (as opposed to actually saying something of substance instead of guessing at what the scum must be feeling?) Both these possibilities lead to a scum Solarsail. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:18 goodkarma wrote: EBWOP: Vanilla Townie is NMM XXII Godfather is NMM XXIII Thanks GK. | ||
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YourHarry
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YourHarry
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Shady Sands
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On August 15 2012 12:27 YourHarry wrote: Shady, do you agree? Can you explain your reasoning? | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On August 15 2012 11:43 thrawn2112 wrote: Shady, can you explain your reasoning for initially jumping all over solar? It could be that you, as mafia, know he is town and are taking advantage of solar's emotional reactions by drawing them out even further and immediately sidetracking everyone onto solar's case. The problem with the second part of this post is that it's not Shady who is sidetracking the conversation. He asked a question and Solarsail is perpetuating the suspicion by not addressing it. Shady started it, Solar is keeping it going. Multiple people have told him to post better and he's ignored us/thrown our advice back in our faces with a snarky comment. No matter what, this isn't pro-town behaviour. My view on Shady's first accusation (that Solar was obliquely accusing Stutters) is that Shady was overthinking it. I didn't even get a hint of supposition that Solar was accusing Stutters. What makes Solar seem at all suspicious to me has been his reactions the whole time. Nothing scummy yet, but a stubborn refusal to actually participate in pro-town behaviour. | ||
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YourHarry
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thrawn2112
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On August 15 2012 12:19 Shady Sands wrote: Not to repeat myself, but here's the reasoning: And it didn't make sense to me. Why would Solar make this post if he's town? It's not pro-town to post on which style a scum might or might be playing. Then I read his post in context of the first post that stutters made, and it seemed like Solar is trying to soft accuse stutters--because stutters post was short, and didn't hold any information that disagrees with the general direction (as telling people to read a guide is about as plain as someone can get.) The second possibility here, aside from soft-accusing stutters, is that Solar is trying to look participatory. He states this himself, later. Why would a townie try to look participatory from his first post onwards? No one has accused Solar of anything yet, so why the desire to look like he's contributing (as opposed to actually saying something of substance instead of guessing at what the scum must be feeling?) Both these possibilities lead to a scum Solarsail. OK, I understand your case now. Stutters made his very first post of the game, which was somewhat short and linked to a post giving advice on d1 scumhunting, advice that is generally held to be useful. Solar then made a post saying that yeah, policy is cool, but we should be more more careful, and then he said to watch out for short posts that go along with the current majority opinion. Therefore your case is that solar was trying to soft accuse stutters based off the post that stutters had just made. I definitely see the argument now, and seeing as I was previously suspicious of solar because of his follow up posts, it leads me to think I should be even more suspicious of him now. However I didnt see solar's soft accusation as a possiblity until you pointed it out after the fact, and suspicion of a soft accusation is hardly good evidence that he should be lynched especially when there has been so little discussion so far so I am not sold on your case against him. On August 15 2012 12:24 YourHarry wrote: Never mind. I am confident Solarsail is town. Move on. ##Unvote That came out of nowhere.... please explain? | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
FOS Following people still have not posted: Golbat Jhuyt Z-BosoN Ochrow | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Game only started about four hours ago... Let's give people a little time before FOSing them for not posting. And I still believe an explanation of some kind is called for for your sudden change of opinion on Solarsail. "It will sort itself out" isn't very transparent... | ||
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YourHarry
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:34 YourHarry wrote: Right now is not the good time to explain. Really, you don't see it? This is going to get you FoS'd YourHarry. Remember this? If someone isn't forthcoming with information ("I have a read but I'm not going to share it because of blah") lynch them. | ||
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YourHarry
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote: The problem with the second part of this post is that it's not Shady who is sidetracking the conversation. He asked a question and Solarsail is perpetuating the suspicion by not addressing it. Shady started it, Solar is keeping it going. Multiple people have told him to post better and he's ignored us/thrown our advice back in our faces with a snarky comment. No matter what, this isn't pro-town behaviour. My view on Shady's first accusation (that Solar was obliquely accusing Stutters) is that Shady was overthinking it. I didn't even get a hint of supposition that Solar was accusing Stutters. What makes Solar seem at all suspicious to me has been his reactions the whole time. Nothing scummy yet, but a stubborn refusal to actually participate in pro-town behaviour. | ||
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