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On August 15 2012 10:34 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:29 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why? Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY. If you don't stop I will vote you. Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Wow. Guess I'm scum then. ##Vote: Shady Sands Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up. LOL why are you voting me?
To get you to stop quoting me. It's NOT HELPING ANYONE. Go post about someone else.
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On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.
Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be?
Seconding your point on the profanities though.
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FYI
These are the players that haven't posted yet:
Darth
GK
Golbat
Jhuyt
Z-BosoN
Ochrow
YourHarry
As a reminder, please link your filters and roles from prior games. Thank you.
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On August 15 2012 10:35 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. What's even more interesting that Solarsail didn't even try to defend himself from this accusation: Show nested quote +Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Instead, he answered with sarcasm and an OMGUS vote.
Sorry for the bother, but could you describe what OMGUS means? It's one of the several expressions I see used in the mafia forums of which I have no idea what they mean.
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On August 15 2012 10:41 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:35 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. What's even more interesting that Solarsail didn't even try to defend himself from this accusation: Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Instead, he answered with sarcasm and an OMGUS vote. Sorry for the bother, but could you describe what OMGUS means? It's one of the several expressions I see used in the mafia forums of which I have no idea what they mean.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=OMGUS
OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.
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On August 15 2012 10:41 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:41 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 15 2012 10:35 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. What's even more interesting that Solarsail didn't even try to defend himself from this accusation: Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Instead, he answered with sarcasm and an OMGUS vote. Sorry for the bother, but could you describe what OMGUS means? It's one of the several expressions I see used in the mafia forums of which I have no idea what they mean. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=OMGUSShow nested quote +OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you.
wow thanks, amazing link
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On August 15 2012 10:36 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:34 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:29 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why? Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY. If you don't stop I will vote you. Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Wow. Guess I'm scum then. ##Vote: Shady Sands Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up. LOL why are you voting me? To get you to stop quoting me. It's NOT HELPING ANYONE. Go post about someone else.
How is quoting you not helping anyone? Why should I post about someone else? And how does your vote get me to stop quoting you?
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On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though.
I think that the loss of articulation is inherent with any emotionally charged post, because it is harder to be swayed by emotional appeals when arguments are in written format and there is sufficient time to think about them. I don't think this point by thrawn has anything to do with knowing Solarsails meta.
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On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though.
I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts.
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Hello everyone!
After catching up with the latest Mafia (XXIII), I feel like we can do a good job on catching the scums using similar policies.
Even with warnings, scums always tend to be passive and go for the safer routes. Let's pay close attention to this. Last game, GK wasn't the most lurky player, it wasn't the sole motive for Hopi's last-minute call. It was his unwillingness to take risks, and going for the most obvious cases, and overall passiveness that led to his demise (and a little bit of bad luck, I'll admit.)
I will be using similar rationale to try to locate the scummiest players, and hope you guys do the same. Lurkiness will be a factor, and a very strong one, but not the sole factor, let's keep this in mind.
@Shady Sands
Lynch all lurkers. That's how town caught scum in XXIII. But don't overly rely on this, scum can fake D1 activity pretty well.
Observe, observe, and observe. If someone acts strangely, lynch them. This includes checking everyone's metas from previous games.
All players here--please list all the games you have played previously, as well as which roles you played, along with filters for your posts. Here are my links:
My XXIII Filter, where I was scum
My XXII Filter, where I was Mason with Keirathi
Regarding meta. As mentioned in earlier mafias, metas are good to keep in mind, but they are weak to base your arguments on. What we want to look at people's earlier games are their reasoning, their ferocity in detecting and attacking suspicious behavior, and their general ability to detect flaws in arguments. Even with equal roles, one player will most likely not post in the same manner or the same tone as in past games.
If someone isn't forthcoming with information ("I have a read but I'm not going to share it because of blah") lynch them.
If someone isn't actively pushing new cases with their posts, press them on it.
Stop OMGUS wars. They're not productive. If two people are OMGUSing each other, tell them to stop, don't just sit there and let them keep yelling at each other. The only ones who win off mass OMGUSing are scum.
Agreed, with a small remark on the bolded part. While I wholeheartedly agree we shouldn't be passive, I don't think we should jump too fast to conclusions. In all the mafias I have read, there were many bad townies (and blues), that were unclear and illogical, and ended up dead because of it. In XXIII, Hapahauli identified this very well.
However, we should always strive for clarity and activeness. From my readings, these are the two master traits we must have if we want to win as townies. This being said, I will strike with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy these virtues!
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However, we should always strive for clarity and activeness. From my readings, these are the two master traits we must have if we want to win as townies. This being said, I will strike with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy these virtues!
Hey Shady this guy is VERY SUSPICIOUS for saying exactly the same as me and I think you should get right on questioning him into the ground.
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On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though. I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts.
O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF
Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere.
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On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though. I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts. O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere.
Alright, I feel like Shady was overreacting too, but there needs to be a starting point for discussion. Your reactions have been completely emotionally based and by virtue of not being pro-town, appear scummy by default. Might his posts have been a bit contrived? Yes. From what I can see, he's scumhunting no matter what. Whether he actually believes that your first few posts were scummy, your follow-up posts aren't helping town in any way. You say you'll vote for someone when someone else makes a case for them based on reasoning, so start trying to do that instead of screaming at Shady.
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On August 15 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though. I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts. O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere. Alright, I feel like Shady was overreacting too, but there needs to be a starting point for discussion. Your reactions have been completely emotionally based and by virtue of not being pro-town, appear scummy by default. Might his posts have been a bit contrived? Yes. From what I can see, he's scumhunting no matter what. Whether he actually believes that your first few posts were scummy, your follow-up posts aren't helping town in any way. You say you'll vote for someone when someone else makes a case for them based on reasoning, so start trying to do that instead of screaming at Shady.
> Drops in from ceiling
> Why, yes, I can see some of argument A but I can also see some of argument B, aren't I so fair and reasonable good sirs
> Let me give advice to you, for I am a kind and generous spirit
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On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +
However, we should always strive for clarity and activeness. From my readings, these are the two master traits we must have if we want to win as townies. This being said, I will strike with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy these virtues!
Hey Shady this guy is VERY SUSPICIOUS for saying exactly the same as me and I think you should get right on questioning him into the ground.
What did you two say that was "exactly the same?"
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On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though. I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts. O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere.
Solarsail, I do not like this "why is everyone against me" attitude of yours. Initially I thought you were genuinely feeling injustice being attacked so early, most likely due to inexperience, but now I feel your tone is a little too insistent and exaggerated. You are not contributing to finding scum, and are playing the "boohoo" card a little too heavily. I have a feeling this is intentional, as a normal and inexperienced person by now should have realized that this would not be the way to go as a townie.
On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +
However, we should always strive for clarity and activeness. From my readings, these are the two master traits we must have if we want to win as townies. This being said, I will strike with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy these virtues!
Hey Shady this guy is VERY SUSPICIOUS for saying exactly the same as me and I think you should get right on questioning him into the ground.
I feel very strongly about this, and will certainly defend it.
You, however, don't seem to do so. Why would you say this:
the most important thing I saw is that the town needs to stay active and stay on point.
And immediately afterwards fill this thread with:
Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.
On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:
If you don't stop I will vote you.
On August 15 2012 10:36 Solarsail wrote:
To get you to stop quoting me. It's NOT HELPING ANYONE. Go post about someone else.
And many other posts which I will not bother quoting. Please explain, granted you feel strongly about what I've reiterated, how your posts are "on point" and how they are contributing to finding scum.
Scum or townie, this play of yours is horrible, and will not help anyone but scum to achieve their goals.
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On August 15 2012 10:35 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. What's even more interesting that Solarsail didn't even try to defend himself from this accusation: Show nested quote +Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Instead, he answered with sarcasm and an OMGUS vote.
Most of the discussion right now is about solarsail. I don't think there's anything wrong with this because so far his posts haven't seemed very useful but we have still yet to hear from several players. He could easily be town and just reacting to everyone immediately jumping on his case as soon as the game starts. In that case it would be easy for the mafia players to roll in later and pile more suspicion on solar and therefore away from themselves.
As far as I could see most of the drama was based on your post asking why he is devoting his first post to appearing as town rather than use it to scumhunt. I think it's worthwhile pointing out that at the time of his original posting there were only a few D1 posts so far and not much to scumhunt on. I think right now we are still in a waiting game, people that haven't spoken up yet need to!
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On August 15 2012 11:08 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote:On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made. Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be? Seconding your point on the profanities though. I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts. O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere. Alright, I feel like Shady was overreacting too, but there needs to be a starting point for discussion. Your reactions have been completely emotionally based and by virtue of not being pro-town, appear scummy by default. Might his posts have been a bit contrived? Yes. From what I can see, he's scumhunting no matter what. Whether he actually believes that your first few posts were scummy, your follow-up posts aren't helping town in any way. You say you'll vote for someone when someone else makes a case for them based on reasoning, so start trying to do that instead of screaming at Shady. > Drops in from ceiling > Why, yes, I can see some of argument A but I can also see some of argument B, aren't I so fair and reasonable good sirs > Let me give advice to you, for I am a kind and generous spirit ................ ...... .. . . .
Dude, you're not helping your case. I didn't give anything that Shady had said any weight until you followed up his questions with overly emotional fluff and OMGUS. Your responses don't answer the questions he's raised, and provide nothing in the way of new content. While my read on you still says panicked townie, you have to cool off. Either respond to his questions seriously or make another case, or you're not helping town. Step it up.
Playing the sarcastic martyr wins you no points.
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Regarding lynch all lurkers:
Yeah. Got me last game as scum with that but tbh I would have been just about as active day one as town. I still don't really have day one figured out, so don't expect me to go into hyperactive mode for day one this game. In the context of last game, it was used as a last resort which imho is the only time it should be considered. Active discussion of suspects and the cases created day one are far more valuable than trying for a "lucky lynch."
And regarding the vote for Shady Sands:
If you're going to make a vote try to make at least a few "case points" behind it. Otherwise we're going to have a pretty ridiculous situation where everyone finger points each other over pretty much nothing. Look at Mordanis's (who was town) play in NMM XXII. He started the game with a WIFOM case, and lo and behold was actively accused all game. That suspicion could have been better spent elsewhere, so make your cases thorough before voting please.
Lastly:
Now would be a great time to discuss policy. The ever-popular "lurker-lynch" policy is a great point of discussion. Also, if there's an experience that comes to mind that you feel we could benefit from via a policy feel free to bring it up  .
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On August 15 2012 11:33 goodkarma wrote:Regarding lynch all lurkers: Yeah. Got me last game as scum with that but tbh I would have been just about as active day one as town. I still don't really have day one figured out, so don't expect me to go into hyperactive mode for day one this game. In the context of last game, it was used as a last resort which imho is the only time it should be considered. Active discussion of suspects and the cases created day one are far more valuable than trying for a "lucky lynch." And regarding the vote for Shady Sands: If you're going to make a vote try to make at least a few "case points" behind it. Otherwise we're going to have a pretty ridiculous situation where everyone finger points each other over pretty much nothing. Look at Mordanis's (who was town) play in NMM XXII. He started the game with a WIFOM case, and lo and behold was actively accused all game. That suspicion could have been better spent elsewhere, so make your cases thorough before voting please. Lastly: Now would be a great time to discuss policy. The ever-popular "lurker-lynch" policy is a great point of discussion. Also, if there's an experience that comes to mind that you feel we could benefit from via a policy feel free to bring it up .
GK, could you put up filters from XXIII and XXII?
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