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On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Show nested quote +Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.
Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.
I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.
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On August 15 2012 09:42 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts on XXIII] +I'm still really mad at Hapa for essentially winning on luck in XXIII. Had GK actually spoken up in the game, Hapa wouldn't have had the GK lynch to work off of and we scum could have safely NK'd him without worrying about a medic save. Howdy town. Let's kick some scum ass. A few policy notes: - Lynch all lurkers. That's how town caught scum in XXIII. But don't overly rely on this, scum can fake D1 activity pretty well.
- Observe, observe, and observe. If someone acts strangely, lynch them. This includes checking everyone's metas from previous games.
- All players here--please list all the games you have played previously, as well as which roles you played, along with filters for your posts. Here are my links:
My XXIII Filter, where I was scum
My XXII Filter, where I was Mason with Keirathi
- If someone isn't forthcoming with information ("I have a read but I'm not going to share it because of blah") lynch them.
- If someone isn't actively pushing new cases with their posts, press them on it.
- Stop OMGUS wars. They're not productive. If two people are OMGUSing each other, tell them to stop, don't just sit there and let them keep yelling at each other. The only ones who win off mass OMGUSing are scum.
That's all for now, good luck everyone.
This is my first time playing, but I did read XXIII in preparation for this game and the policy seemed effective, because even if the scum is being active everyone has a a good sample of posts to analyze and hopefully make more accurate reads. As a Townee, I promote any policy that helps us catch scum, but we must back accusation up with evidence(which this policy should provided) and reason.
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On August 15 2012 09:59 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Does anyone have experience playing in a game where a serial killer was a possible role? If there did end up being a serial killer, how big a role did they play and how high would you rate the importance and achieveability of sniffing them out early? In other words, would it be a worthwhile use of the town's time and investigation to try to figure out who, if anyone, is the serial killer? I can see how it would be very important to find out who is SK early on, but I also can see how it might be way more difficult than figuring out who is mafia, and thus not a good use of time. One distinction between the serial killer and the mafia is that the mafia are in communication and will be working together while the serial killer is separated from both town and mafia. Any player who is suspected to be not of town affiliation could either be mafia or SK, so while in either case they are a good target for lynching, having knowledge of their actual role would be way more valuable than just an uninformed hit on a supposed non-town player.
If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.
Concerning shady sand's post, this is my first game so I have no previous history to reference. Why are you so worried about the SK? SK is a bigger threat to scum than to town.
I am not really worried, but am trying to learn from other people's experiences if there is any reason to worry. I thought I was pretty clear that I was undecided on the importance of SK, and that if SK is unimportant in D1 it's a complete waste of time to worry about it. My current opinion is that it is something to worry about, but not on D1. Therefore I'm not going to continue posting about it until something happens along the lines of way too many unexplained town deaths.
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On August 15 2012 10:04 Shady Sands wrote:
Mkfuba, please post your posting history from the prior games. Thanks
Is this normal? Just wonderin' 
XXIII - goon for 0.5 then vanilla townie from then on.
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On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.
No no, please stop with your "advice" because any text at all might be contrived as suspicious and followed up on instantaneously by sniper fire.
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On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.
Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play.
On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible.
Then you say:
Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.
You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why?
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On August 15 2012 10:12 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:04 Shady Sands wrote:
Mkfuba, please post your posting history from the prior games. Thanks Is this normal? Just wonderin' XXIII - goon for 0.5 then vanilla townie from then on.
It isn't normal, but it should speed up our scumhunting tremendously.
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On August 15 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 09:59 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Does anyone have experience playing in a game where a serial killer was a possible role? If there did end up being a serial killer, how big a role did they play and how high would you rate the importance and achieveability of sniffing them out early? In other words, would it be a worthwhile use of the town's time and investigation to try to figure out who, if anyone, is the serial killer? I can see how it would be very important to find out who is SK early on, but I also can see how it might be way more difficult than figuring out who is mafia, and thus not a good use of time. One distinction between the serial killer and the mafia is that the mafia are in communication and will be working together while the serial killer is separated from both town and mafia. Any player who is suspected to be not of town affiliation could either be mafia or SK, so while in either case they are a good target for lynching, having knowledge of their actual role would be way more valuable than just an uninformed hit on a supposed non-town player.
If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.
Concerning shady sand's post, this is my first game so I have no previous history to reference. Why are you so worried about the SK? SK is a bigger threat to scum than to town. I am not really worried, but am trying to learn from other people's experiences if there is any reason to worry. I thought I was pretty clear that I was undecided on the importance of SK, and that if SK is unimportant in D1 it's a complete waste of time to worry about it. My current opinion is that it is something to worry about, but not on D1. Therefore I'm not going to continue posting about it until something happens along the lines of way too many unexplained town deaths.
Cold evidence of an SK will happen with the second night with more than 2 townie deaths. Up until then, the best way for town to win is to focus on scumhunting.
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On August 15 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 09:59 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Does anyone have experience playing in a game where a serial killer was a possible role? If there did end up being a serial killer, how big a role did they play and how high would you rate the importance and achieveability of sniffing them out early? In other words, would it be a worthwhile use of the town's time and investigation to try to figure out who, if anyone, is the serial killer? I can see how it would be very important to find out who is SK early on, but I also can see how it might be way more difficult than figuring out who is mafia, and thus not a good use of time. One distinction between the serial killer and the mafia is that the mafia are in communication and will be working together while the serial killer is separated from both town and mafia. Any player who is suspected to be not of town affiliation could either be mafia or SK, so while in either case they are a good target for lynching, having knowledge of their actual role would be way more valuable than just an uninformed hit on a supposed non-town player.
If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.
Concerning shady sand's post, this is my first game so I have no previous history to reference. Why are you so worried about the SK? SK is a bigger threat to scum than to town. I am not really worried, but am trying to learn from other people's experiences if there is any reason to worry. I thought I was pretty clear that I was undecided on the importance of SK, and that if SK is unimportant in D1 it's a complete waste of time to worry about it. My current opinion is that it is something to worry about, but not on D1. Therefore I'm not going to continue posting about it until something happens along the lines of way too many unexplained town deaths.
To follow that point up, I feel like the scum threat is a lot stronger than SK because they are organized and know who to attack. A SK in my eyes is like a scum with only one person in it that can attack other scums independently. So if any exist in this game they shouldn't become an issue until later in the game.
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On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Show nested quote +Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why?
Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.
Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY.
If you don't stop I will vote you.
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On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why? Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY. If you don't stop I will vote you.
Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation?
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EBWOP: I didn't see this in the OP. Is this plurality or majority voting?
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On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why? Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on. Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY. If you don't stop I will vote you.
Also, could you please link your play from the other game from the other forum? So we can see your meta?
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On August 15 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why? Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY. If you don't stop I will vote you. Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation?
Wow. Guess I'm scum then.
##Vote: Shady Sands
Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up.
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EBWOP2: Sorry I don't know how I got to the edit page in the first place. Here is a repost of what I said before it got edited:
[color=green]I didn't see this in the OP. Is this plurality or majority voting?[/color]
My first forum game so no previous threads to link, sorry.
In regards to an SK:
I agree with discussing the SK being a waste of time. It will become obvious very quickly if there is an SK when multiple people are dying nightly.
On August 15 2012 09:53 Shady Sands wrote:
I don't like that post by Solarsail, it smells funny.
Everyone please try to avoid posting like this. If you don't explain why it's "funny" there can't be discussion and it clutters up the thread.
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On August 15 2012 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't see this in the OP. Is this plurality or majority voting?
It's plurality. More importantly.
On August 15 2012 08:35 marvellosity wrote:Which reminds me, don't ever edit your posts like I'm doing now 
And in the OP too. Please do NOT edit your posts under any circumstances. This is a final warning for everybody.
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The above should be bolded..
##Vote: Shady Sands
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Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.
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On August 15 2012 10:29 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:Solarsail, why post this? Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play. On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible. Then you say: Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why? Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY. If you don't stop I will vote you. Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation? Wow. Guess I'm scum then. ##Vote: Shady Sands Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up.
LOL why are you voting me?
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On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.
What's even more interesting that Solarsail didn't even try to defend himself from this accusation:
Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation?
Instead, he answered with sarcasm and an OMGUS vote.
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