EPT@Dandel Ion :
I'm still suspicious from both yoursefl and lvdr.
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I was cutting grass this morning and while doing so, I thought about the game ! (You have a lot to think about when you're cutting grass  )With my the time I had, I realized I had enough material to build a case ! (Trying to make it more organized this time with points as ShadySands told me in one of his last posts !) Case on Dandel Ion : 1- Mkfuba made a great case against Lvdr (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=24#462) After that, a bunch of people commented on the case he had made. Since there are 3 scums, we are 9 citizens which would make a huge majority (IF ONLY TOWNIES COMMENTED) of people who talked about the case of Mkfuba. On August 09 2012 15:08 YourHarry wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't buy your case against Lvdr. While, whether one-liner posts without any logical explanations is beneficial to town in the early stages of the game is up for an argument, I do not think scums have tendency to post such one liners. I (though may be an exception) tend to post bunch of trolling one-liners as town (see my previous 2 games). Second, his read that both "me and Hapha are both scums or both towns" seems to be based on some logic. I agree that maybe he could have posted a quick explanations behind his read, but allowing some time for people to think about how Lvdr arrived at such conclusion could be good for town. In this case, he could have may be said "Discuss" or something. But as you mentioned, NEITHER town or scum has a motivation to post random suspicions. Add the fact that he was drunk... I fail to see scummy reads from Lvdr. Now, take Lvdr's last quote: "More plausible than yh then?" In context, Lvdr was simply asking Hapha for his opinions on who he thinks is scummier, me or Lvdr. If Lvdr indeed thought that Hapha and I were scums together, I can imagine Lvdr's intention to confirm this read based on Hapha's response. And, mkfuba, by your putative "scum motivation" do you mean Lvdr is actively trying to confuse town by posting incoherent one liners? If so, I find it hard to imagine scums methodically engineering incoherent one liners to confuse town. In summary, I accuse you of possibly attempting to endorse/set-up Lvdr bandwagon by fabricating evidence from bunch one-liners posted when he was drunk. On August 10 2012 01:21 Hapahauli wrote: + Show Spoiler + @ Mkfuba: Good case, and much much better than the one on Prom from yetserday. I had the same thoughts on the "both mafia or both town" quote - it isn't how townies normally think. He doesn't consider the possibility of one of us being scum or one being town, etc. On August 10 2012 03:29 Promethelax wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey all, sorry for my late start. I was at work when we began and passed out when I came home. my gut feeling is that lvdr is playing too dumb to be scum but after Harry's stellar scum play in XXIII.O (hah, see what I did there) I have to leave him as a null to slightly scummy read. On August 10 2012 03:07 iamperfection wrote: + Show Spoiler + @Lvdr Please do not lurk even though their is a lot of suspicon on you right now. I think mkfuba makes a lot of good points most specifically the fact that you stated they are either both town or both scum.I think that you need to address and i will be intrested to see what you have to say. On August 10 2012 06:10 Sideni wrote: + Show Spoiler + Regarding the case of mkfuba : Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" However, Dandel Ion never said a word about this case even if there was a lot to talk about ! (Can even just say that you agree or you don't) He once mentioned that he knew he looked like a lurker, but he didn't know what to say. On August 10 2012 04:54 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + I know I look like a lurker, and that it doesn't fit my "meta" I just don't know what to say... However, when the case of Mkfuba came, he didn't say a word ! There's plenty of things he could have said. If he doesn't know what to say about Mkfuba's case, it's probably because it was a strong case and that it would be bad for a plausible scum team ! After Mkfuba posted his case, Dandel Ion still maintained that he had nothing to say. (look bolded text in next quote) I want to note that I didn't have much to say about Mkfuba's case, but I said that he convinced me and such things (which got me Dandel Ion's attention). On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote: I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason. Here's more ! On August 10 2012 05:54 Dandel Ion wrote: I was only 50% serious about that. So no, but if no better targets come up on day 1, I'll contemplate it again. Here, even if some good cases are out, he just assumes that we won't find any target(recalling that he doesn't have anything to say) and tells us that he wouldn't mind to lynch YourHarry. Why would he don't mind lynching YourHarry even if YourHarry is way more coherent this time ? I think he knows something ! 2- First thing he said after Mkfuba's case On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote: I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that. Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was. That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. Lvdr mentioned that it was impossible to draw any conclusions about YH. However, Dandel Ion still answers to him that it's just if we assume YH said the truth. It's kinda fluffy, he just says the same thing Lvdr points out. His answer seems to me to be some sort of tip that you would give to a friend. I'm implying here that they could be both scums. 3- Dandel Ion tries to pull the attention off of him and Lvdr On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote: I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason. Here (look at the bolded text in the quote), we see that Dandel Ion gives as many names as possible to give people as many options as possible. In the manner he writes, we see that he's not happy that some suspicions are upon him. (Note that at that point, I wasn't lurking, I was just following the schedule I said I was going to follow when we were in XXIII.O) On August 10 2012 06:23 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 06:10 Sideni wrote: Arg ... Ok, looks like my cote didn't work REPOST Alright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D @Dandel Ion : I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader  I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/ I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa )Regarding the case of mkfuba : Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early. An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you ! At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post Basically "edit:", just in another post, since you're not allowed to edit in mafia. Shit I just explained something, sorry Promethelax, I'll never do it again Here, he's not even placing in spoilers my huge ass explanation ! Could cause confusion and regarding what he recently told me, he knows what will cause confusion ! So, as I said, he's quoting me (without spoilers) instead of just saying : "@Sideni : EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post". Confusion can be used to take the attention off something (Lvdr in that case). Indeed, if we don't know where to look, we don't know where to pay attention if we aren't experienced to something. Also, he ends with a joke that seems to be irrelevant. However, adding that joke can draw attention from people instead of letting them pay attention to the case we're talking about ! On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 07:32 Sideni wrote: Concerning my bad English : When I say that you have to forgive me if I don't master English that well, I'm just saying that I may sometimes make a mistake with grammar or a vocabular one. I may also not use the appropriate words. However, I am able to translate from English to French and the quote I'm referring to can be read that way : "Hapa et YH sont mafias ou civils ?" You have to understand that translating from word to word, I can easily say that I would have said something a specific way... Concerning the fact that I didn't make my own case : Why would I make a second case about yourself if mkfuba already made one ? Mostly when I have nothing to add to it... If something convinces me, I'll tell you what about it convinces me ... Finally, you say that I'm fluffy (you don't give a specific example and I don't mind). However, just imagine if I would have made my own case about yourself. The exact same thing that our buddy mkfuba said ! It would be even more fluffy ! Sometimes, even if you're town, it's just better to keep yourself quiet if you have nothing to add (it just creates confusion) Your suspicions about myself make me even more suspicious... Making this post, ou just act like I'm an easy target and because I think you're suspicious, you turn against me (which is, in my opinion, somewhat of a way a scum would act) I have to call it : FOS lvdr Okay here's the thing I don't get (afair lvdr really stood out with that reasoning in game 0.5 - he was town that game though): If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? You should not be scared of getting lynched, like, ever. People might accuse you of bandwagoning - so what? Once you flip green, it's just more evidence against them. I understand that tunneling a single person too hard would be bad, but two people is not too much by any stretch of the imagination. Is my mentality just wrong here? In that post, he still doesn't use the spoiler and leaves my huge post ! In the bolded part of the text, we can see that he's asking me questions, but we can also see that he has intentions behind those. Yes indeed, we can see that he thinks I'm concerned that I'm on a case, trying to draw attention from people on me ! (I'm not concerned, I'm just explaining myself) After that, he goes on and propose me that I shouldn't be scared of being lynched and to get accused of bandwagoning. He ends this sentence asking me what it would change. It would just change that I'm alive and I'm there to help town !! He even says that if I die, it would only help town to get more info about the people who would bandwagon on me... Why would a town player be happy to get information from a sacrifice of his mate !? On the first hand, why would he ever think about that if he was town ?! On August 10 2012 08:47 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote: Oh, I thought it was obvious, so I guess I skipped on that point ... =/ Well, first, if you only say "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" you look like a real town player (you care for the right thing). To illustrate myself, I'll have to use an example. Let's say you have oranges and grapefruits in a bag and you can't see them. Now, let's say you want an orange. You'll put your hand on one, you'll take it out (closing your eyes) and you'll ask the guy holding the bag : "Is this an orange ?" because that's the orange you want However, you asked : "Is this an orange or a grapefruit ?" Someone wouldn't talk about the grapefruit at all... Now, let's reverse the words : "Is this a grapefruit or an orange ?" First, you would never ask about the grapefruit at all ! Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD Well, at least, the fact that you wouldn't usually ask for town is still right ! Bolded part and your analogy that doesn't go anywhere looks pretty scummy to me. There's basically no goal, direction or reason behind this, but you still feel the need to share it with us. You apologize for the confusion, but good town play, in my book, is trying to AVIOD confusion. Confusion, gray shades and everything inbetween just give scum openings for misinterpretations. Please, in the bolded part you clearly showed that you have the theoretical ability to think your posts through, the only thing left is to actually do it. In the bold part here, we can see that he's trying to make me look scummy when in fact I was just claiming the fact that I made a mistake instead of letting it go on ! Doing so, he's again trying to get the attention off of him and Lvdr (Saying Lvdr because it all started because I was talking about Mkfuba's case). He's also trying to make people think that my explanation and the acknowledgement of my mistake are just ways to create confusion ! Note that town players want to AVOID (as he said so well) confusion and that's why I would say I made a mistake. On August 11 2012 00:57 Dandel Ion wrote: I am currently most suspicious of Sideni (just in case I didn't make that clear enough yet) I could see the merits of lynching lvdr or Axero too, but I'd be a bit more hesitant on them In this post, we can clearly see that he's calling me suspicious (no shit ! )Again, it would be to draw attention off of him or Lvdr ! Note that he didn't explain specificaly why I would be suspicious (I'm just trying to explain myself as fast as possible to be the most active as I can, looks like it's not the way to do it !) Then, he follows saying that he would be suspicious about Lvdr (First time in the game and he already talks about lynching) and about Axero. However, we see that he tells us that he's hesitant which would mean that he doesn't want to have Lvdr lynched for real (just a way to get a distance from each other since he haven't talked about him yet !) 4- Never really scumhunted before today (almost time to lynch someone) I don't want to post all the quotes of Dandel Ion (I posted almost all of them in my case). But, here's one more that can cause confusion which is a one liner ! On August 10 2012 08:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Argh typos in a post chiding players for not checking what they post, gg me. So, looking at all the quotes I showed, the only thing he did is the following : - Talking about policy; - Said he wasn't as lurky than other lurkers - Said he had nothing to say - Posted some a one liner useless to everybody (I once corrected a typo I made, but it was within an other post !) - He pointed out that I was bad at giving arguments and that my logic could be confusing - He never talked about the cases that we saw ! He just recently started to talk about some things, but it's almost all about me and he didn't bring a strong case yet... From all the reasons I gave above, I do believe Dandel Ion is part of mafia and I wouldn't be surprise to see Lvdr in his team ! ##FOS Lvdr ##vote Dandel Ion | ||
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First of all, I want to add something to my suspicions on a probable scum team (Dandel Ion and Lvdr). I know, I haven't spotted someone else yet... So, in the next quote, Dandel Ion is explaining to Hapa why he thinks I'm a good target and that Axero is just a lurker that we can't say much about. On August 11 2012 01:22 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2012 01:02 Hapahauli wrote: Also, why the hesitancy against Lvdr and Axero? What part of the suspicions against them do you feel aren't valid (or are less valid than yours against Sideni)? Axero is just a lurker to me - in fact I see much of your suspicion towards him as OMGUS since he FoS'd you early in his posts, also your assumption that he was told to not lurk by the mafia coach. I don't share your assumption about the coach, and I can't OMGUS him, so to me, he's just a lurker with slightly scummy posts. I wouldn't call it hesitancy - I'd be kinda okay with lynching him after all. I just think Sideni is a better target. That my be biased, but it's how I feel about it atm. Getting to lvdr in a sec However, his last words, made me even more suspicious ! You can all see by yourself, he's going to explain his thoughts about Lvdr later ! To me, it just looks like he has to analyze everything before giving a reason why he's hesitant to see if it matches ! Now, do you remember when I clearly showed that Dandel Ion had nothing to say a lot of the times ? Well, he just recently talked about people doing so and said that it was a scum tell ! (look at the next quote) On August 11 2012 01:34 Dandel Ion wrote: Alright, lvdr has lower priority because I think most of the case against him comes from the clusterfuck between him, YH and mkfuba (from this page on pretty much), which I assume will make sense once we know some flips, but right now, I'm not sure how to read it. But as I write this he posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2012 01:19 Lvdr wrote: Regarding my apparent lack of scumhunting: I was the first to make a case against Sideni, however, Dandel started grilling Sideni so I decided to back off. In my opinion, Sideni has not done a particularly good job of defending himself. The strange analogies don't mean anything and contribute to a filter that is incredibly fluffy. Just because I decided to question him a bit, doesn't mean you shouldn't. You had the same reasoning in game 0.5, going so far as to not post cases on scummy players because the "good ones were already taken". That is a reasoning I can't share, and it looks scummy to me. But in game 0.5 you were town, so I don't think I can use that as a scum tell comfortably. So, during the whole game he acted like there was nothing to say even if good cases were out ! And now, he's saying that he can't share the reasoning of Lvdr which is to not post cases because "the good ones were already taken". However, he did follow this logic (even if he was claiming that it's just because he had nothing to say !) | ||
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On August 11 2012 03:02 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sideni - what would happen to your case if... say Lvdr flipped green at one point in the game? Your case basically assumes that Lvdr is mafia, and based on Dandel Ion's interactions with Lvdr, you voted on Lvdr. Why aren't you voting Lvdr based on this? I actually haven't thought about that ! Your logic makes complete sense to me and I now see the contradiction in voting for Dandel Ion ! The logic behind it would then be that we first go with Mkfuba's case on Lvdr and from there, we can tell if my case is good. Thanks for making me understand myself, I'm changing my vote ! xD @Lvdr : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#616 point 1 : As you know, we are 9 towns and there are 3 mafia. 6 of everbody talked about Mkfuba's case. Assuming that you are mafia I would assume that mafia players wouldn't comment on the case or at least, they would try to find something bad about the case which didn't happen. So, my guess is that all 6 people who commented are town and lurkers could be town as well. point 2 : The thing is that YourHarry, before Dandel Ion comments, DOESN'T behave like a scum ! point 3 : I want you to explain me how do I seem to lack a basic mafia strategy ? I mean, why would we sacrifice a town to get information when we can lynch someone who looks scummy ?! ##unvote Dandel Ion ##FOS Dandel Ion ##vote Lvdr | ||
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On August 11 2012 03:43 Lvdr wrote: YOU look scummy. Alright ... I have never been scum and it looks like I behave like one ... I don't know how the scum Sideni would behave like. However, I can tell you that I haven't changed my way of playing ... I'm just stuck at the same position iamperfection was at during last game when he was the only one left to vote for YourHarry ! | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:09 Promethelax wrote: Sedini's case on Dandel is awful. I still think the guy seems scummy but after that case I would prefer to vote for Sideni. His follow-up unvote and vote switch as soon as the pressure hit gives me a scum vibe and for now I don't know for you, but I changed my vote because I realized it was wrong ... I realized that Hapahauli was right. How dumb would I be if I would realize something, but then I would follow my wrong judgement ? What is the most scummy, to change your mind and not being afraid of doing so or to be blind and forget about everything ? | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:25 Dandel Ion wrote: He has the THEORETICAL ability to think his posts through, he just doesn't do it. He posts something, and says its bullshit right after, in the same post. That means he should know he should delete it in the first place, but he doesn't make the connection to actually do it. You're driving me crazy with that ... I'm using the analogy to prove my point and then, I realize my point is bad (NOT THE ANALOGY). So, instead of sticking to my bad point, I just leave the analogy there to show you what I thought to acknowledge my mistake ! I could indeed just say : "Fuck it, I made a mistake!" without any explanation ! After that, you would just want to know about it ! And if you don't want to know, don't cry that I explained my mistake !!! @Hapahauli : Is it bad only because it relies on what Lvdr turns out to be ? If that's the only reason, I would be happy ... But, looking at all the time I took to write it, I felt it was pretty good ='( Require vote count please ! | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: To be honest, I'm shocked at how little attention that Axero is getting. He's laying low and has demonstrated some clear anti-town behavior. Some players have mentioned having suspicions of him, but no one has so much as FOS'd him. Go with me a bit here: If Axero was town, wouldn't he be a REALLY EASY MISLYNCH FOR MAFIA? Why has NO ONE voted for him? I'm inclined to think that his mafia buddies are covering for him! Can't bold bolded text, but I agree that he would be an easy mislynch for mafia ! Actually, I've read through all your posts about him and I've been thinking about it quite a bit ! But, not enough to talk about it, being busy with Lvdr and Dandel Ion. (I seriously think I'm in the same situation as iamperfection from day 0.5 ...) The thing is that I'm just so sure about Lvdr that I want to concentrate on him to see what would happen of Dandel Ion. And then, I think Axero would be an easy lynch for day 2... I just feel like I won't survive the night if we think Lvdr and Dandel Ion are clean ... | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:37 Axero wrote: Going to mention this again, because it's still striking me as really odd. mkfuba07 hasn't posted since "August 09 2012 19:18." He's been fairly active from the beginning and just dropping off in activity this close to the end of the day seems extremely... not town... Does anyone else feel the same? Is this common and not something I should be looking into? Well, what is really suspicious is that we are currently talking about you and then, from nowhere, you try to draw the attention off of yourself by talking about mkfuba being lurking ! ##FOS Axero | ||
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On August 09 2012 08:02 prplhz wrote: 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch. | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:35 goodkarma wrote: He's like: "Hmmm. I guess you're right. What I'm doing doesn't make sense. Instead of clearly explaining my motives let me fix that." I am not convinced there weren't other reasons for him voting Dandel Ion over Lvdr. He should have come out and say what they were before switching his vote. This feels like a move that was made to take suspicion away from himself by making his voting pattern more consistent with his arguments. His quickness to flip his vote when called out for inconsistency of action feels scummy to me. + Show Spoiler + Combined with the points of my prior case against him, which are spoilered below, he is my scummiest read right now, and has earned my vote.: ##Vote: Sideni My earlier case against him (and Axero too): + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 13:56 goodkarma wrote: I have read through everyone's filters, and have a few case points on who I see as most scummy right now: Sideni: One scum-read I currently have on him is mistaking the name of the person who was getting married (Kronen). This was mentioned before, but I feel it is an important point. If you're struggling to read and write in English to the point of scrutinizing every word, how can you make this kind of mistake of names? This fits the profile of an unconcerned scum combing the thread before posting. It may not seem big, but in my last game (NMM XXII) the last scum we caught made this same mistake. I believe it's been said before, and I too agree that his posts are a bit fluffy. Especially considering that if writing every English word is meticulous, I would expect his posts to generally be very concise and succinct. Instead, we've seen posts like this one: Two things about this post: the first is I have no idea why a orange or grapefruit metaphor was necessary, or even helpful. The only thing it serves to do, in my opinion, is distract from the rest of the post with a bit of fluff (a bit ironic for a post defending against making fluffy posts). Perhaps Sideni indeed does struggle with the English language, but some of his fluffy posts have indicated to me that it could plausibly be a scum-motivated excuse. The second thing: "Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD" There is no town-motivated reason whatsoever for making this statement. It's basically saying, "I don't know what I'm doing. Don't listen to me." This statement feels very scum-motivated, as it's a great statement to make if you're trying to keep your head low. Another quote that gives me a scum read on Sideni: It feels like he's trying a little too hard here to show he's pro-town. Why does something this obvious need to be said? This quote feels scum-motivated to me. For the reasons I've mentioned above: ##FoS: Sideni Axero: Axero's mentioned on more than one occasion that this is his first game. Describing noobiness is a common scum trait, as it allows them to discredit themselves and have people not take them as seriously, or read as much into their cases for mislynches as they should be. He then goes on to describe how he plans to post without reading the thread.: You should never post without reading first. This is strongly anti-town play. Combined with your semi-lurky behavior, you're looking scummy to me.: ##FoS: Axero Axero: Axero's most recent actions have not gone unnoticed by me. Unfortunately, I have seen really bad townie lurkers before + Show Spoiler + (I know he's posted a lot of one-liners today, but until he contributes his first post of substance I consider him a lurker) + Show Spoiler + Second, posting nonsense filler like this: On August 11 2012 01:46 Axero wrote: EBWOP: Spooning required, clothes optional. This is spam. It adds no content to the thread and drowns out valid arguments which are critical for us to see so close to the voting deadline. Axero is definitely looking scummier than he did before. But I'm not ready to rule out his actions as being those of a bad townie yet. First of all, the thing is that my case all relied on Mkfuba's case. So, if Lvdr is scum, then, my case makes sense, but if he's not, my case is bad. I am just too sure that Lvdr is mafia, that I made a whole case on Dandel Ion ... Now, because I was that sure, I prefered to vote for Dandel Ion ... I know you don't give a lot of credits for that explanation. However, remember that, even if I'm town, I'm still a human that may have some incoherence in its mind ! I just felt like Hapahauli was right, so why wouldn't I change my vote if my mind changed ?! Like I did with Mkfuba's case, I agreed with him. Hell, I even tried to explain why I agreed and Dandel got on me telling me that I wasn't making much sense !!! I agree because they are right, that's all ! About Kronen's marriage, I already made my apologies... I was just so sure that it was Hapahauli ! Again, I'm a human and I believe in myself, so I don't have to always double check what I'm saying ! Plus, I was just refering to it as an example when I was saying that Dandel Ion forgot about my work schedule (he said I was lurking when, in fact, I was just working ...) | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Alright I thought about it. I think this is how I want to proceed: We lynch lvdr. He flips town, we lynch Sideni day 2 and probably mkfuba on day 3 He flips scum, you guys probably lynch me day 2 I'm pretty sure we get at least 1 scum with that. I won't lie, I'd like to have Sideni out of the game as fast as I can, but we all make our sacrifices.... Alright, I'm confused ... I feel like I've been wrong the whole day even if I feel like being in iamperfection's shoes in day 0.5 ... (remember he was on YH's case and YH turned out to be mafia even if iamperfection was the most suspicious of all) The fact that you propose to lynch Lvdr first makes me really confused =/ I don't know if you planned that answer from me, but I feel like my case doesn't stand anymore since you want Lvdr to go down first ... If he turns out to be mafia, you know that you die on Day 2. ##unvote Lvdr ##FOS Lvdr ##unFOS Dandel Ion | ||
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I really don't know who to vote for anymore =/ | ||
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Plus, I always explain myself ! Axeros, just pointed me in the direction of Mkfuba ! I don't know how many votes are on me =/ Looks like there are 5 so far. I have nothing to defend myself other than bad play ... I can't be more honest, I'm trying so hard to help, but I just can't find anything ... Are you guys telling me to lurk would save me just as Dandel Ion was doing at some point ? | ||
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As I saw my last case got me in trouble, I'll just skip to the next lurker ... (Axeros) | ||
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I want to ask you guys a question. If you lynch me (looks like it's what is going to happen) (Note : I'm Vanilla Town. I'm not even joking, I'm just bad --> first time claiming being noob) Well, what will you get of that mislynch ? What will happen after I die ? No information at all because I'm currently not decided !!! I can't just choose someone else right off the bat after this huge ass arguement with Dandel ! As for now, I'm looking at Hapahauli's case on Axero ! | ||
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Since Dandel Ion proposed to lynch Lvdr first to see what is his alignement. Then, if Lvdr turns out to be mafia, that would mean Dandel Ion is mafia as well. From there, I thought that Dandel Ion wouldn't sacrifice 2 mafia players. And so, if I vote for Lvdr and he turns out to be mafia, that would mean that I have to skip all over my case on Dandel because he's ready to sacrifice 2 mafias. (which would be dumb) So, that's the reasoning behind that ! I can't vote Lvdr because if he turns out to be green, Dandel said that I was the one being lynched (He's right on that). All this confused me and I decided to choose someone else (because I know that I'm town and I don't want to get lynch on Day 2 ...) I feel a lot of confusion in what I just wrote, but I don't know how to fix it. If any questions, it will be a pleasure for me to answer. I'm currently stating, helping myself with Hapa's case on Axero, the reasons why I think he's suspicious in another post ! Shouldn't be too long. | ||
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