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ObviousOne
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Seeing as it'll be my first game, I've been checking out an older game for how Day 1 proceeds and I still don't really get how it starts off outside of making random baseless accusations based on lack of participation alone. Any really good examples of kick-starts in previous games anyone would recommend? | ||
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On July 12 2012 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I think you should lurk. Hard. All day. You should also use lots of logical fallacies and appeal to emotion ALL THE TIME. It's the TOWNIE thing to do. My God... How did you know my secret plan? Are you clairvoyant? Just kidding. I was going to out my role as Batman as my first post once the game went live to keep them distracted and confused. It's the MAFIA thing to do. | ||
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On July 12 2012 02:58 Blazinghand wrote: Day 1 can be pretty clunky. Usually a game is still trying to shake off its lurkers, and get a conversation started. In NMM III (link) you see MidnightGladius do a good job of getting things rolling D1, and even though a townie is lynched, the conversation got along pretty well, with like 6 or 7 pages, and multiple scum players tipped their hands (most notably bromancipate). Thank you very much for the link, that's quite an eloquent post there! I'll be able to read more of it after charging my mobile device up. I just got done perusing Ver's post about examining behaviors ("XXX" near the top of the list in this sub-forum) so that's some good advice about him I'll try to remember. Unless he ends up on the receiving end of a coaching PM in which case I will take his word for it  | ||
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On July 12 2012 17:23 kingdedede wrote: I am emphatically NOT a smurf! I am a PENGUIN! Smurfs are a tricky situation. They're always blue. Penguins, however, are always a clean-cut situation: black and white with little gray area. I look forward to pointing out the penguins as they become apparent! Also, yes I imagine this game would be a nightmare on a mobile device. However, it does have the added benefit of some level of input sanitation. Could be a useful tool (or excuse) in some cases. | ||
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Regarding the direction we will wish to take today, I am not ready to make any comment quite yet. I've been awake for 31 hours. After I sleep I'll be in better shape to re-read everything and get scum hunting. | ||
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ObviousOne
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FOS YourHarry I guess it was an easy way to make myself a convenient target by posting something low content early in the first day before I would be able to contribute anything for another 12 hours or so. Regardless, choosing the last name you see for your vote when others have already provided much more to go on seems scummy to me when I wouldn't even be around to defend myself. YourHarry's self analysis might be indicative that mafia is going with some kind of sacrificial lamb ploy to get our trust. If that's the case, I'll have to follow it up with smaller, more wrinkly and arthritic FOS on iamperfection as their entire strategy may have been hinted right in front of us. YourHarry gets to be the sacrificial lamb and anyone on his case early is riding the gravy train for day 1 as they will be safe from lynch tonight. On July 17 2012 00:42 iamperfection wrote: Also, i think there is a possibility yourharry post was an attempt to get attention away from calgar Of course there's a third scumbucket somewhere around here that hasn't been factored in my theory, for which I will be searching on top of building my current case against these two. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:55 JingleHell wrote: Ah, but Obvious, what if you're doing the same thing you're accusing them of? Your case is built on what-if, and it utterly implicates you, if we continue on your logic. Much as I hate YourHarry's voting habits, and won't discount the possibility of him trying to play the meta game, I don't think it automatically points to anyone else. I can vouch that I am 100% town. I still cringe every time I read "obvious scum." I'm getting a name change after this game. I wouldn't have brought up the plan I detailed publicly were I mafia. If I were mafia given this situation, I would have let someone else try to put pieces together this way and instead latched on to someone who is acting suspicious in a different way, or distracting with other no-content bandwagon posting or content-less posting. If I end up hanging from the end of a rope or brained to death with a bottle of prune juice, when I flip town my statements here get to act as evidence either way, so I feel comfortable contributing any ideas I have openly. Admittedly, my first post could be considered anti-town as it was no content: just checking in as I promised to be active and had just arrived home near the start of the game. Wanted to do a quick greet before sleep. I'm sure someone looking for mafia tells is going to come across that and use it as evidence against me more than once in this thread. It's self-contained so they can do so at their own peril. My method works for me because I am town. It doesn't have to work for you, as it's not your methodology. I'm just trying to get information. Any information I can elicit from my statements and accusations is good for the town. We are talking. I would be worried if we were not talking. | ||
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On July 17 2012 04:30 tube wrote: what lol maybe i just dont see anything to analyze in day 1 with no information You're not giving us anything to talk about by saying there's nothing to talk about. You're now at ~6 posts from the beginning of the game and have made zero actual effort in any of those posts at participating in the discussion. Textbook active lurker. Everyone will question your motives for that so you might want to make some small effort here or the town will withhold your prune juice. | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:04 tube wrote: half of the people in the game have already been accused and i literally dont agree with any of the arguments that were made yet because they're all too speculative yeah those are my thoughts i guess im mafia So... another one? Okay. I thought it was pretty obvious what you needed to do now, but I will help you out. You got FOS'd so you would talk, and with more than a sentence or two. Consider each argument already present and weigh in on it. You have said you disagree with them already. That's all fine and dandy but it doesn't help anyone to just say "Nope, I disagree." Nor does martyring yourself and resigning yourself to a lynching if you are indeed town. So create an argument, any at all, with a strategy in mind, and address the following: For any present arguments you wish to address: *Why do you disagree? *Is someone a better candidate? Or you could go ahead and stir up a new side conversation yourself. We don't want to have to be suspicious of you in particular, especially if you are on our side. We just don't have much choice at the moment. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:42 Mufaa wrote: @Jingle- Early in the day you say: A reasonable opinion, except for the fact that you have two out of the three total votes so far. Both of your votes/cases so far have been the most obvious choices, which if the day ended right now I would be upset if we didnt lynch one of them. When you're claiming that you hate the risk of early bandwagons however and you're the most likely cause of a bandwagon forming I have to question it. I'm not sure if you're scum, but this feels like you're trying to skirt around discussions by picking the most obvious tells without actually trying to find scum. I guess it's good that the day isn't over then. I don't disagree with either of his votes and I would have even accepted him voting against me. JingleHell has been facilitating discussion for a while and it's discussions that are going to give us the evidence we need. Neither vote is too reckless. It's not irresponsible. His first vote against YourHarry (point of information so you don't have to double check and compare your notes later, YourHarry voted for me in his first post of the game): On July 16 2012 14:07 YourHarry wrote: ##Vote Obvious.660 Obvious scum BTW, "wait and see" does not mean that we should actively stop what we are discussing to see what happens. It could mean, carry on with discussions and finger pointing and see where our scum hunting leads us. YourHarry's entire argument hinges upon JingleHell's colloquialism. Nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. Not necessarily distraction from more pressing tells, but it's questionable to argue about a turn of phrase when the intent behind it was abundantly clear when JingleHell made it. JingleHell removes his vote and puts it to tube, who has been posting a great deal but without any meaningful content except to say that he has formed (read: shared) no opinions whatsoever except that our arguments have not been compelling. If tube is town, he's weak town and a liability later in the game. If tube is mafia, he's not doing enough to defend himself and take the FOS off of himself. JingleHell's vote is smart and it's not wasted if he doesn't change it, unless tube's participation becomes more town-friendly. And once again, votes make talking happen. Less than 24 hours into day one, it's an easy way to facilitate discussion. There's still plenty of time for discussion and analysis before the end of the day cycle. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:14 tube wrote: how is there even such a thing as mafia "generally" act this way because if that were true a mafia would never act that way you guys find it really hard to believe that a townie wouldn't want to attract attention until he found more evidence or made some kind of actual connection between nights and days You need to share what you know and what you believe. It's important because if you are town and get randomly chosen (assuming no better target exists for mafia) tonight and die, you have contributed nothing of value and we will never really know why you were chosen. Maybe they got tired of reading your posts. Maybe they want to use you as a vehicle of suspicion on others who had formed opinions against you or defended you. Bottom line - having no opinion is not playing town-safe, especially when you are in the spotlight. Form an opinion, roll with it, see what information it can get you. Don't sit on the sideline and let everyone else do the work. Doesn't seem like a fun way to play the game, honestly. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:30 tube wrote: Yeah I agree his argument had bad logic but again I think he's just making accusations out of nothing, like this segment for example: I don't necessarily read such an argument as a scumtell because it could also just as easily be his candid attempt at scumhunting. Fact of the matter is, there's virtually no way to tell for something like this. Also, if you think putting words into people's mouths is suspicious, take a look at JingleHell's early posts against me that sparked the entire bandwagon. He does it multiple times by saying that I basically said so and so and therefore was clearly playing against town. Woah! It's like a completely different person sat down at your computer and started typing. WELCOME TO THE GAME, TUBE! | ||
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Reason: out of character posting. Coached response. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:45 JingleHell wrote: Hold up, Obvious. Going from to I notice you didn't ask my why I changed my vote, you just jumped me for doing some band-wagoning is a bit bizarre. Frankly, that sounds more like scum suddenly seeing a chance for a bandwagon on someone they didn't lead the case against. ##Unvote ##Vote Obvious.660 Remember this? On July 17 2012 02:21 Obvious.660 wrote: Greetings. Had a good sleep and I feel a bit refreshed and quite a bit like swimming in coffee. Breakfast-type things are happening but the hunt must continue. FOS YourHarry I guess it was an easy way to make myself a convenient target by posting something low content early in the first day before I would be able to contribute anything for another 12 hours or so. Regardless, choosing the last name you see for your vote when others have already provided much more to go on seems scummy to me when I wouldn't even be around to defend myself. YourHarry's self analysis might be indicative that mafia is going with some kind of sacrificial lamb ploy to get our trust. If that's the case, I'll have to follow it up with smaller, more wrinkly and arthritic FOS on iamperfection as their entire strategy may have been hinted right in front of us. YourHarry gets to be the sacrificial lamb and anyone on his case early is riding the gravy train for day 1 as they will be safe from lynch tonight. Of course there's a third scumbucket somewhere around here that hasn't been factored in my theory, for which I will be searching on top of building my current case against these two. Nothing has changed. He's definitely a third mafia candidate (shitty posting history plus change in character to what looks like copy-pasted text from someone else) and it wraps up my theory quite nicely. The jig is up on the sacrificial lamb-ing and their strategy has been adjusted. His last couple of posts were completely out of character. Capitalization? Complete sentences? Total 180 and I don't think that a new-found passion for the game is going to change whether or not you type like shit. If I'm right on this vote, it will mean my read was good (unless I change my stance on the other two I've listed, which is not out of the question by any means) and I can have more faith in my other suspicions. If not, well, it takes a town to vote. ~6 Hours since the last post from YourHarry Still only one post from iamperfection. | ||
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Man, this little burst of action just shakes me up. This is a huge deal to me, as I might not be able to trust my judgement or be prone to being led astray. Arguing about anything but whether or not you are posting was a welcome change. You are correct about my reading. I didn't read it super closely. It still has your style laced into it, it's just hidden behind capital letters and almost-paragraphs. This is what I get for reading on my mobile device. Not that you're cleared of suspicion, but I tunneled on you hard and I need to back up and re-assess, and certainly give you the chance to participate before I throw you under the bus. My eyes were on you, and only you, and that's something scum would love to see if you are town. I'm sorry about that. I wish I had more to go on regarding my other suspicions, their inactivity left me not much else to look for. We're coming up on 24 hours soon, which means 24 to go. Ample opportunity to change my vote. The vote remains until a more suitable candidate arises. | ||
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On July 17 2012 08:45 Fulla wrote: I'm here!!! I am continuously reading. It seems if you use this excuse it's very cliche and scummy, but I'll say it anyways. I'm new (2nd game) I get a bit lost what to do day1. I feel is I try to give reads (noob ones), I'll only assist the scum. I'll try to contribute, it seems tube is gathering suspicion. Si I'd like to ask. From reading a few guides, it generally says the overly active hyper day1 posting guy are usually those who turns out green town, even if actually being unhelpful and detrimental to the towns efforts. So question. From other games, have overly active 1 liner posters commonly turned out scum before when lynched day1? Or when lynched/killed further down the line? Are you asking as a curiosity, or are you planning to base your first vote/accusation on statistics? The people playing in this game are all new, so I would be suprised if any of them knew. What is worrisome is that this is your first contribution, a question that could probably be answered with a few searches through the directory's threads or a simple google search. No thoughts on anything you have read here? I stirred up some trouble not that long ago and I earned myself a vote. Do you have a read on me? | ||
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It's now officially past the first half of the day cycle, so I would love to see more activity from those who have been very quiet. I'll be away from my computer for a few hours for RAW tonight (leaving in about half an hour) but I'll keep keeping up with reading any new posts during commercials via mobile. | ||
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I already conceded the I was wrong about the tell. That doesn't excuse everything else that has been discussed. | ||
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Please, take everything I say and compare it to everything ever written about scum. When you're done, you can lynch me and watch me flip town. Such nonsense. | ||
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> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered. > YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE. > JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard. > Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here. > Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep. > iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here. > Calgar: My gut tells me town. > Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today. > drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet. > Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time. > Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play. If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch. | ||
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