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On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote: Okay, I have read through the thread and I will give my thoughts so far. Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen. Palmar's defenses and responses to other people are pretty interesting and lacking to say the least. Here are a couple recent ones that I pulled from his filter. When Marv confronted Palmar and asked his to share this is how Palmar replied Then a couple of pages later comes back with this I thought it was interesting and wanted to bring attention to him. Palmar as isn't playing like his "Usual" self this game. He hasn't started up his play of calling people idiots and chewing them out for disagreeing with him. Instead he has been trying to keep his mouth shut in case he gets a few people a little too angry and the votes start shifting towards him. As for BH, I'm not too sure about him yet. I'm going to wait to see more until I make a decision on him. Kurumi: I'm leaning suspicious on. I have been in enough games with him where he's been Mafia to have a good idea of how he plays. So far he hasn't been as obnoxious and confusing as he has been previously in other games but there is still enough to make me be weary. Until I see more I'm going to keep an eye on him. This is an awful post. A. You clearly did not read austin's post here + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote: Ummmm, did nobody read iGrok's game? The %s may be higher here, but a random lynch still isn't anything but a discussion-generator. That game was 2 scum 1 SK 8 town, 3/11 or 27% chance to hit non-town on a random lynch. This is 9/27, 33% chance. Not higher enough to really matter. I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent. Just like with the Sleeper Cell games, this isn't normal mafia. Town have the numbers advantage, and, for now, are more or less on even footing information-wise. Scum don't have an advantage UNTIL they get organized. Some forms of being chaotic would be equally harmful to both factions, other forms would be more harmful to town (higher numbers). However, I don't support trying to cause chaos, because we don't know (and can't know) when mafia will get organized. We can speculate all we want about how many cycles it could take, and how each of us would communicate with mafia underlings were we CEO (see sleeper cell...II? for message speculation), but, especially given the vague comments about censoring messages made by hosts, we just don't know whether mafia can get fully organized, or how long that would take. At some point, IF they can organize, any chaos we cause only hurts town and no longer hurts mafia. Not good. B. His response to Marv is also explained in that same post The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost. ..C. The "I hate you all" post was (i think) in response to Austin post, because it says explicitly that it cant be explained in thread or it is ruined. D. Palmar does call us all stupid On July 16 2012 21:29 Palmar wrote: I should've signed up with two accounts, that way I'd at least have someone intelligent to talk to. When Katina posts this bad she is scum. I think Katina is scum. ##vote Katina Another post that I liked was this On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I almost... It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post.... just want to put this out there That is some Grade A carefullness, right there. Those phrases in particular are very passive. [/QUOTE] | ||
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Palmar, since I am an idiot (the first step is admitting right), can you explain to me why syllogism is scum to you? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:21 supersoft wrote: oh this makes his stuff look artificial... looks like he doesn't believe his own words. ahm okay. maybe i was wrong. BH can you link me like 2 recent towngames of you please? BH being all over the place and aggressive is like, the definition of his town play. If he offers to eat his hat (and turns out to be wrong) in the next ~5 posts he's like basically confirmed town | ||
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I want him to change his behavior since the less shit that goes on in the thread the better, he can still be scum but the thread won't be a nightmare to read and we can simply catch him later This is the type of stuff people write so that they can look pro-town and look like they make sense. He seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing which I feel is a common tactic used by scum to deflect attention from themselves. I already quoted Prob on him being extremely passive and careful, and I think he has continued that since I don't understand the Syllogism case despite reading BH's posts. This is why I asked Palmar to explain it to me which he hasn't. If anyone else would like to explain it to me that would be much appreciated I think Prob has called out MZ for something I agree with to be scummy. Therefore at this moment I would not vote him over MZ. I already said why I think BH is town Right now I lean town on Palmar. I don't see anything scummy about his game play My point with Katina is not just that she is wrong. It is the flaws in logic and the lack of reading she does when making her case against Palmar. These are things that scum katina does, town Katina may not always be right, but she makes a hell of a lot more sense then here | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:54 Katina wrote: Mattchew, I have no idea where that "case against me came from. I made one post and voted on who I thought was the most suspicious and you immediately jump all over me and assume I'm Mafia. WBG has that corner covered. I didn't know that giving my opinion on what's been going on is scummy. It's D1 a majority of the cases are going to be bad (Ex: Your case on me) Don't read into things that aren't there. I'm town. Move onto someone else that is actually scummy. OMGUS -> Passive -> Deflection -> Passive -> OMGUS SUPER COMBO This is supposed to make me think you are town? | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there. cause you are playing an easy to fake pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote: @ Mattchew What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched. You literally haven't answered any of my points in my case against you and you still fail to even quote what I have wrote. I can't tell if you haven't read it or if you just don't know how to respond to the truth | ||
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you have said the word "chaos" or talked about town stability in almost every post you have made. Did you elect yourself town peacekeeper? Because basically every one of your posts has extremely little to do with actually finding and lynching scum | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:29 austinmcc wrote: Matt, your case on Katina is wrong, regardless of what alignment she is. I posted that bit from iGrok's game. Some of the players in this game played in that game. At least one of the players here read that game closely. If a random lynch is pro-town because it generates information until you pull back the curtain, then it functions differently here, because the curtain is already pulled back (it took all of like 30 seconds to find that post). Can't assume that he's throwing out the random lynch idea for he same reason as normal. Katina may be wrong about some bits of her case on Palmar, but I think you're also wrong about her. I don't think you are correct. I think Palmar was doing EXACTLY what he said in that other game and is pissed that you quoted him from it, thus revealing his curtain | ||
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WBG said here (LVI Obs) the way to catch Katina Also if you read my reasoning behind Katina being scum that's essentially how you catch her. She was much more slippery this game, probably because she heeded the advice I gave her last time. She had multiple targets and she made "cases" on different people (last time she just tunneled one guy) but her downfall was that if she was town she would've equally attacked different people for the same reasons. In other words if she wanted stronger scumplay she should've been aware of contradicting herself She ignores others in favor of RL and she contradicts herself about Palmars defense with her own completely lacking defense | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote: <3 I believe you're the only one who even acknowledged my question. I agree with all three kills but I'd rank them differently. Wouldn't mind killing Blazingscum and layabout too, they're all scum. All scum, god damn them. Oh and Wiggles is AFK. Just thought I'd throw that out there, he hasn't posted yet. Possibly rolled scum again, the bastard. OH and BM is afk too. Wtf? Well hell, half the players are afk. W/e. Let's focus on one player first: Shit that makes layabout scummy: Read his filter first, it's not long at all. Keep that in mind for a second. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=233798 He does nothing but shed doubt on sandro's claim. He instantly disbelieves it without considering other evidence. He knows the caliber of sandro's town play yet he doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that sandro could be town. In addition he's stayed toward the back of the discussion, as he does when he is scum. When he is town he is out in front if he thinks people are being stupid. He will kick and scream and call people retarded if they're doing something he disagrees with. Clearly he disagrees with us sheeping sandro on his catch of Kurumi (otherwise why else would he shed doubt on it?) but notice that he actually doesn't do anything to stop the wagon. i.e. his doubt is unfounded and he wants to undermine sandro without taking heat for the action itself. Scum tactic. Kurumi is going to die at the end of the day. Thus, we should kill someone else. Let's kill this guy for now. Make the bad man fly. ##unvote ##vote layabout why do you want me dead? | ||
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Also, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241 That is Bill Murray's filter. I am always down with a BM lynch | ||
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On July 17 2012 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm kinda hamstrung until rastaban gets back so in the meantime I'll throw my name in with the people who want BH dead. BH is really just going for whoever is currently the flavor of the hour, if you look at his posts he's simply flipped whenever thread opinion has changed. Also his reasons for voting people have been very sheepy, he's been gunning for syllo for the better part of the game but all of a sudden bugs waltzes in with a case and BH flips again. ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand Do you disagree with his reasoning for his votes? or just that he's jumping a lot? | ||
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like I do not knowingly have a nuke ##nuke Bill Murray | ||
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On July 17 2012 11:17 Mattchew wrote: WBG can you explain to me your read on Katina? | ||
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On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote: Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way How are his actions scummy? | ||
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On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote: Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will. I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself. To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him. I will get back to you on Foolishness. Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable! I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you | ||
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On July 17 2012 13:51 rastaban wrote: His stance and comments on Probulous are a red flag for me, combine that with Foolishnes and WBG's arguments and I think he starts looking like a great secondary candidate. It isn't conclusive, thats why I would like to move him to spot #2 and hopefully pull some proponents from his lynch onto BH who is scummier and give Sylo a day to see if he will shape up. What exactly about his stance and comments on Probulous. Can you quote something and explain why its scummy to you | ||
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On July 17 2012 13:56 Katina wrote: I really like how you convinently appear whenever I do. You haven't post reads on others nearly to the extent that you have on me. I would hardly call what you have been doing as generating dicussion. I think people have even forgotten that you were in the game. No one every says anything to you or about you. Just because no one talks to me doesnt mean I'm not trying to help discussions. People probably ignore me cause foolishness says so | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:27 sandroba wrote: Palmar why are you playing like ass right now. Surely you can do better than this. Even as scum I expected more from you. On July 17 2012 02:31 sandroba wrote: Why in hell are you still talking about this. Isn't there anything more productive for you to comment on? What exactly are you looking for me to take from sandroba's filter that I haven't already commented on? | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote: is this poor attempt to look useful by austin a scumtell or is he just useless all the time? he's not useless at all what do you think of MZ | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:32 HiroPro wrote: I disagree Matt. I just read through his filter in LVI as town. He actually talks about his reads and who he wants to lynch when he's town. In this game, the only thing related to actual play (and not setup) he ever said was that matt's case on Katina and Katina's case on Palmar looked wrong. I've asked him twice now for thoughts both on BH/MZ and on who his scum reads might be and he hasn't bothered to say anything. He's parked his vote on sandroba for no other reason than that he wants to know what his role is. Looks like scum to me. I meant exactly what you said, he's not useless, which is why this game is weird | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote: @Mattchew: What do you think of Katina now? Do you still think she's scum? How do you respond to me pointing out Palmar posted the RL thing as scum? Does it change your read on Katina or Palmar? I would have thought you'd not instantly jump on someone based on that RL thing without checking it out at first. I don't really see you caring about the game right now either. You think Katina is scum yet you are just asking irrelevant questions and posting one-liners. Fuck, Mattchew you act like this every game and I don't know if you do it on purpose at times. I actually read that and meant to respond, but forgot to put it in the thread. Firstly I read the post as if it was written in postgame discussion which was a dumb assumption but I don't think it changes its meaning I don't think his alignment had anything to do with his thoughts on Random Lynching in that game. I mean ace literally said in the next post that he completely agreed with Palmar about Random lynching and Ace was town. I don't think was a trick tried by Palmar or anything like that in either game. Theres a decent chance at that point he had not even read his role PM (a. I know he has done this before and b. he didn't post in the scum qt till way later) I am trying to care about the game but there is so much E-Penis measuring going on and unexplained reads that I find all of this pretty hard to follow, and when I ask people to elaborate, I am very much ignored Right now, I believe Kurumi to be scum and nuked cause when I tried to launch a nuke it didn't go off I believe Katina, MZ and Rastaban to all be very suspicous and scummy. Hence my poking and prodding at people about them. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:40 HiroPro wrote: Her play isn't really like that here. All she did in MTG was tunnel you and Nova_Terra with pointless reasoning. Do you think she hasnt tunneled me and Palmar this game? and Do you think her reasoning is good? | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:37 marvellosity wrote: I'm not seeing it right now Matt. I don't see Katina's play in this game as very much equivalent to that game at all. I think you're getting a bit of confirmation bias from the first post that you criticised. you think her responses to my case on her are good and townie? | ||
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On July 18 2012 07:35 Palmar wrote: It makes very little sense for austinmcc to take such a controversial stance as scum. I've never played with the guy before, but when something looks good and is agreed on by town, it's generally not scum who stand up and put their necks on the line to call town out on it. I don't agree with him, but in a game where I was expecting mafia to be awfully self-aware, his play seems straight up counterproductive. It's a very weird/dumb/ballsy thing to do as mafia. And no, BlazingHand is town. stop voting him. Can we kill MZ instead pls? Since my Katina push isn't going anywhere (hey anyone notice that awesome reasoning she had for voting BH?) I will aid you in the pushing and killing of MZ ##unvote ##vote Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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On July 18 2012 10:35 Probulous wrote: @SloOsh, you still around? Same to Katina, Mattchew and Chez? here just got out a LoL game WHATUP | ||
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GASP OMG WUT yeah I said it I don't read him as scum and as of now I think he would be a mislynch. BUT MATTCHEW WE NEED TO LYNCH TO SEE INFORMATIONS ON PEOPLES... yeah well, only 1 (maybe 2) people know the scum team, so a day 1 mislynch provides extremely little to town in comparison to other games. | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:32 rastaban wrote: I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH? I assume you mean BH as in BlazingHand and no | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:48 rastaban wrote: I thought the nuke was real as well despite knowing chez's trolling so I agree that isn't a good reason to vote him. If I was him though I would have blocked Ks nuke when I learned he was scum but he didn't. I find that to be the more suspicious part. why... kurumi doesn't know who scum is | ||
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On July 18 2012 13:29 Probulous wrote: Um what? What do you mean it has been stolen? I literally got a PM from mods saying exactly what I wrote in thread.. My vote is now on Gonzaw (without me posting in the voting thread) | ||
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On July 18 2012 13:57 Blazinghand wrote: Alright I guess I'll use my final minutes to compose some reads. SWITCH TO ME. NO NO-LYNCH. yup this seems scummy... oh wait | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:01 Probulous wrote: As an aside to all this drama, what kind of person replaces in, posts once and then disappears for good? A Zealos kind  hopefully a modkilled one my vote was moved to BH btdubs | ||
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On July 18 2012 13:59 sandroba wrote: Just saying that if kurumi flips town I might rage quit this game. what do you make of BH thinking he was dead's posts | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote: Actually honestly there's no excuse for no lynch here. ##unvote ##vote blazinghand why did you do this 3 minutes (aka knowingly) past deadline.. | ||
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On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town. ##Vote: BlazingHand Should be counted if they are just getting a warning IMO | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:14 Chezinu wrote: I mean changing someone's vote twice. What if he is mafia wanting no lynch and blaming some mysterious mafia is mind controlling him I never said I thought mafia took my vote... | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote: oh sorry, do you believe a town member has the power to mind control you? role =/= alignment and in a game with 9 mafia and 18 town and extended majority lynch, it wouldn't be that unreasonable | ||
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Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum Katina - read my filter Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL Bill Murray Chezinu | ||
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On July 19 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote: Still need to read up past day post & Foolishness; hopefully will get that done during my lunch break. We know that there is indeed a politician type role in the game. It's mafia aligned because it happened when we were trying to secure the lynch on BH, and shifting it to gonzaw is essentially shifting it to a no-lynch. It is alignment null on the person it was used on (Mattchew), but I find his response to it wrong (for possibly thinking it could be town originated), surprisingly pointed out by Chezinu. I think it may possibly be a ninja vote type thing (switch his own vote without announcement). Furthermore, Kurumi's nuke was real. I find that very alarming that mafia were given KP. Probably the only minion ability of that power though for balance's sake, and probably indicative of many blues. Should kill him tonight so thread won't be so cluttered. you have it wrong, it was switched to gonzaw but than switched again to BH | ||
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On July 19 2012 02:22 sandroba wrote: And Katina that post is horrible. You should know better than post that you are scum so clearly. I guess in this game it doesn't matter since we can't get anything done. On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh. i dislike you greatly | ||
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On July 19 2012 02:33 Foolishness wrote: To VE: I always post a list of my reads right before night ends. On July 19 2012 02:50 Foolishness wrote: My bad I misread that. This is going nowhere, I'm disappearing until close to night end. We're wasting space. | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:53 Katina wrote: No one is really looking at Mattchew or listening to much of what he is saying in thread. (Can't blame you) Mattchew's play has been horrid this game and I am 100% percent certain that he is Mafia. before I respond, do you realize how big of an asshole you are being? | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:53 Katina wrote: Mattchew First thing that I found interesting while looking through Mattchew's filter was that he is gunning to get me killed the whole game but when the nukes start getting thrown around he decides to do that. He sends the nuke on BM. It makes no sense to nuke him when he hasn't said a word about BM before this. This makes no sense if he wanted to kill me that badly. Mattchew, sunk to Kurumi's level and nuked someone who hasn't posted. Furthermore policy lynches are stupid. His actions contradict each other. You have been gunning for me all game but you be willing to policy lynch a different person and nuke somone else entirely. You have given us your reads but there is no elaboration. You said rastaban was Mafia twice but only said that was because he was looking out for himself, that's hardly a reason to call someone mafia. You did not want to kill gonzaw D1 but you didn't do anything to stop the votes from going over. Instead you sat there and watched it all happen, of course your vote got stolen but that shouldn't stop from telling everyone to vote for someone else instead.Futhermore you never commented on any of the big names in the thread. You have mentioned BH maybe once or twice, you never said anything about austin and as I said before you never talked about gonzaw for more than one post. Looking through his filter he posts to make it look like he's doing something and contributing but in reality his posts don't say much of anything. Basically they are asking people the same "what do you think of this guy" "What do you think of this reponse" but not generating anything useful. It seems that Mattchew is using Foolishness' credibilty to get by with not saying much. Which seemed to be working apparently. No one is really looking at Mattchew or listening to much of what he is saying in thread. (Can't blame you) Mattchew's play has been horrid this game and I am 100% percent certain that he is Mafia. ![[image loading]](http://h13.abload.de/img/11514-animated_gifchat8etf.gif) A. I am always ok with killing Bill Murray (sorry broski, numbers and experience dont lie) Alignment Free Proof! B. I didn't have a nuke so your entire case rests on a hypothetical test C. At that point in the thread, people like sandroba, WBG, Foolishness all said I was wrong about you. I value opinions of others so why would I nuke against all of their wills? D. You OMGUS by saying no one is discussing with me and that they shouldn't be | ||
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Cause I wasn't on either lynch so I would be an automatic +1 (without subtracting from either side) | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote: Which does exactly what? See, mafia gain no benefit from it. If their intention was to get a misslynch well they failed. Given they initially moved your vote onto Gonzaw who had less votes I could see them playing for a no lynch but then they move it to BH right at the deadline bringing a lynch closer, but they still failed. Why move it back? Honestly I am starting to think that whoever used it was just trying to mess with us, so I am going to drop it. Thats why I suggested it could have been a townie as well | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:25 HiroPro wrote: I think Katina might be right on Mattchew guys. In PYP, he day-vigied deconduo (mafia CPR) 2 minutes after the day 1 post based mostly on the number picking and in this game he is unwilling to use a nuke that he may not possess on his strongest scum read? I joined that game, to get a day-vig, and shoot someone 1 minute into the game. That was the strongest reason for me signing up that game | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:27 Katina wrote: Mattchew wahy do you always ask everyone's opinion of whatever you and I say to each other? You are doing anything you can to get my lynched for absolutely no reason. I would bet anything that you are Mafia. Why do you not want to hear people's opinions on your thoughts? Do you not want to be put into the spotlight? | ||
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On July 20 2012 00:25 marvellosity wrote: Matt, I don't think you know the definition of 'sheeping' I was gonna say regurgitating, but decided sheeping looked more smarmy | ||
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On July 20 2012 00:35 Palmar wrote: yeah but why? All you've focused on so far is the amount of his posts, not the content. I think I said this already, but Gonzaw seems to gain his aggressiveness from his thread dominance. He outwrites and outreads everyone forcing people to interact with him and this is how he gets his reads. When he has this kinda time and effort to put into a game, this is where his confidence stems from IMO | ||
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On July 20 2012 00:38 Palmar wrote: he's a politician that steals powers and he used my vote to consolidate a lynch onto BH... if he is scum, i dont think he'd be a leader nor someone the leaders reach out to day 1, so he would have very little idea if he was helping a mislynch or a scum lynch by moving me to BHcompare this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241 to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=54241 and this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=54241 Sure, you can in theory make the argument he got excited with his powerrole in BC's game and that's why he was so much more engaged than in the two games he's scum (including this one). But I don't think I have to spoonfeed you the difference in emphasis and posting style... right? | ||
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On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen. So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? | ||
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On July 20 2012 08:29 Probulous wrote: This makes absolutely no sense...Like 0 Note to self: Risk has done nothing but defend himself and call people stupid. His wah wah waaaah conveys deflection. He knows not making that post is scummy so he tries to play it off as if he is joking and trolling about not making the post. Its forced nonchalance to convey he is comfortable relaying a scummy message. I do it too. On July 20 2012 08:32 Bill Murray wrote: mattchew in the wings waiting on a spiderweb who is the dinner wut? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:59 Probulous wrote: The point is it would be a much better play by VE to just fake something. I gave him a ready made excuse to waffle on about early game stuff that might or might not be relevant. He knows that posting nothing looks scummy but he does it anyway. The wah wah stuff is just VE being VE. You somehow take that to mean he is scum? At worst he was deflecting from participating but look at that, he is participating. Like I said, your post makes no sense. The point is VE as town is more confident than needing to deflect shit away by saying stupid stuff like wah wah waaah.. I expect Town VE to be way more assertive and just say I am not writing a post about it. | ||
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On July 20 2012 10:05 marvellosity wrote: It's a dead end, Matt so you don't want me to talk about the read or you think i should stop cause you think "im right, he's wrong" | ||
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On July 20 2012 10:10 Probulous wrote: Um you haven't read his recent games have you? I've been in most of them lol... So I was going to compare VE's response to me calling him scum vs his games as town and scum, but then I realized he probably has little to no respect for my scum hunting or voice in the thread, whereas when he reacts in those games, it is to people like Marv that he does. That being said, I may stand corrected about my point about VE being scum there, however my eyes will be glued to his posts and filter | ||
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On July 20 2012 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I missed this post. <3 I was literally talking about myself. I just read through bugs' filter. Nothing groundbreaking (cause most of his final scum list are still on the hotseat + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: That seems like a message Foolishness would send me. He's probably scum. The other possibility is Chezinu or someone who wants me to think Foolishness sent me that message. As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon. Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like: Foolishness GGQ Meapak Layabout And potentially: Katina These are among my strongest reads as I've gone back and reexamined things. I was likely wrong about both BH and Austin (or they've been given ample warning into changing their play -_-). I personally would also consider killing BM and Qbert because they're useless, but all of the named above are likelier to flip scum IMO (katina included; I lean scum but not confident) On July 17 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote: oh, that's simple. This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated. Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates. When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment. If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him. If you look at the playerlist, and were to do a tier by tier of players, I would say of the most dangerous to scum echelon(+ Show Spoiler + this is imo foolishness sandroba VE WBG syllogism palmar , he was one of the (if not THE) most likely to not get lynched. Also, no one knows if there are any doc life saving roles in the game, which could explain why sandro is alive I also looked for breadcrumbs about his judge/pardoner role but couldn't find anything | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:35 sandroba wrote: Oh forgot to add that I can pm every 1/2 cycle. So I might have pm'ed YOU already and if you don't reveal in thread I will know YOU are scum. Have a nice day. and then picks zealos (replaced in, had under a page of filter) to PM. | ||
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On July 21 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote: Sandroba, what was your reasoning behind picking Zealos? | ||
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On July 20 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote: hmmm 3 executives that can message...3 workers in the department of communication for town.. 1 mafia nuker... 1 dud nuker town... so.. 1 town Judge (pardoner) ... one mafia..... oh noes!!@! kurumi might not die! but then there is the ninja mind controlling vote stealing thief... Who is a politician (which would poetically be the scum opposite of a judge (WBG) | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote: Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote: If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec. well he can steal votes, he already proved that | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote: So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba? + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote: If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum Katina - read my filter Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL Bill Murray Chezinu On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote: Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote: Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? I thought he was claiming scum in the thread, which I think he was to try and bait a town shot as he said he was trying to get killed by town or scum to reveal some sort of truth. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote: So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba? + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote: If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum Katina - read my filter Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL Bill Murray Chezinu On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote: Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote: Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? Did you read Chez and VE's back and forth from like 14 hours ago? | ||
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On July 21 2012 20:43 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure I understand this game at all | ||
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On July 23 2012 08:47 Probulous wrote: I am an idiot. Move along. Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do. This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:33 syllogism wrote: Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar. ? Where have I ever even commented on Palmar. I don't know what i believe his alignment is yet, and you said yourself that it would be weird to fake claim a conditional power knowing there was to be a counterclaim. I think almost everyone in the game thought foolishness was scum, so 2 people shooting him makes sense On July 22 2012 09:30 syllogism wrote: Foolishness' weird defense of Palmar makes it fairly likely that palmar is an executive. That would also explain why Palmar has put some effort into his bigger posts, as I would expect him to be even lazier as a minion. I highly doubt mafia executive roles were RNGed and Foolishness flipping ceo just reinforces it. this makes sense though. I think I need to re-read him | ||
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On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote: I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it is remarkably similar to this From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani). he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams) | ||
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On July 23 2012 10:24 gonzaw wrote: Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum? I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it. I said it before using a WBG quote on how to quote her. I think she is accusing people for things other people (or herself) are doing. I don't think a lot of the things in her cases are logical and she was told by wbg (in advice to improve her scum play) to make more cases on more people, which I think she's forced out this game. | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:32 Probulous wrote: Which is the biggest load of hogwash ever. He is suspicious, because? Oh I get it, he is suspicious because he is suspicious...  You said you think Katina is town, but this is the only thing I can find that even somewhat mentions an opinion on her play, and it isn't a townie one. What do you make of the fact that in 2 posts to start day 2 Katina doesn't mention Palmar (or vote him) and then until switches back to being "on him" when the bandwagon today had started rolling. | ||
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Riveting + Show Spoiler [......] + On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/24/Bureaucracy_box_art.jpg/200px-Bureaucracy_box_art.jpg) Day 3 Within the labyrinth of cubicles, offices, and badly lit corridors of the company headquarters, sandroba ran furiously through the massive, hopelessly convoluted building. In his hands, he clutched a thick sheaf of redacted spreadsheets, crooked financial records, and bribery lists, as well as some dirty photographs of the company's top executives enjoying a wild party with dozens of ladies of the night thrown in good measure. Now sandroba just had to find an honest mid-level executive to help him expose their corruption, bribery, and dirty dealing to the world. Unable to find working elevators anywhere in the building, sandroba raced up the stairs to the office of the Principal Operations Liaison. However, on the door to his office read a sign saying, "Please refer your business to the Corporate Communications Strategist on the 17th floor." Chagrined, sandroba dashed up to this man's office, only to behold a sign directing him to the Internal Security Coordinator on the 4th floor. Up and down the stairs he sprinted, getting more and more exhausted and out of breath. To his growing frustration and fatigue, each office pointed him toward the office of even more obscure executives, from the Senior Creative Director to the Customer Division Manager or the Chief Accountability Orchestrator. His heart pounded agonizingly, sweat poured out of his body, his head ached abominably, and his blood throbbed in his veins. Before long, the exertion of running from office to office up, down, across, and diagonally through the building became too much for him. At last, sandroba's over-strained heart gave out just as he arrived, gasping and blue of face, at the door of the Human Directives Analyst. Of course, this door, just like all the others, bore a sign saying, "Please refer your business to the District Data Designer on the 20th floor." Coming upon the corpse of sandroba, another harried and overworked employee cried out an outraged shout. He had been feeling uncertain about life, death, and continuing to work for this demonic corporation already, and now he discovered that one of his colleagues had died on the job. With a swift movement, he shattered his coffee mug against a nearby table to make a jagged improvised weapon and charged up the stairs until he found the poshest, most luxurious office in the building. Screaming out again, this employee burst within and stabbed in bloodthirsty fashion at a stunned-looking Foolishness. Within a few minutes, the veil of red passed from before his eyes, but by then Foolishness was long dead. sandroba the Bossy Employee has been exhausted to death. Foolishness the CEO was stabbed to death with a broken coffee mug. + Show Spoiler [role PM] + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Ver/misc/bureaucrat.jpg) Congratulations, you are Foolishness the CEO! Naturally, you are an evil, evil bureaucrat. You control a mighty company that is moving in to acquire Liquidia. Having already dominated the games queue thread with your dictatorial policies, you judge the time is ripe for assuming complete control. However, because you are too occupied scheming and ripping off customers, you only have time to issue orders to your two trusted directors (once every half cycle). You do, however, know the powers your company posseses amongst its minions. They are: [information redacted] Be warned: one of the above minions is a traitorous employee who wants to sell you out to your fiercest competitor and doesn't actually have a power. Sadly, you don't know his identity. On the other hand, just like a real evil dictator, you have the power to kill your own employees. Any time during the game, you may use your secret trap door to anonymously (and instantaneously) kill one of your employees in an attempt to kill the traitor (one use). However, the trap door only works on your own employees. If you use it on a non-employee, the kill does not go through, they are notified someone made an attempt on their life but not who, and your night action immunity goes kaput. Unfortunately, your subordinates don't know who you even are because you're too busy playing around on your luxury yacht. Luckily, you know them! Your subordinates are: [information redacted] Once every half cycle (day/night) you may choose to send a message to one of your subordinates (Chairman of the Board or VP of Marketing) Because you are the CEO, you have immense power. Any malovent night action on you fails (besides vigilante shot) and you are notified that someone attempted that action but not who. You also show up as a role of your choice to any detective type actions. You may choose from the following roles that might exist or make up your own! [information redacted] Lastly, your team will vote on a kill. During the day, the rest of the mafia will send in their kill choice to the mod. At the lynch we will present you with a list of names to choose the kill from.. If you die the Chairman of the Board takes over your job, then the vice president of marketing, and if he dies then the name which comes up the most from the remaining mafia members is the target. 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I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch. Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I. My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch. ##vote: Palmar | ||
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On July 24 2012 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is Zealos confirmed scum again? On July 23 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote: i'm voting zealos. because of this: and this Which basically means he's guaranteed to be scum. and look who wrote it! | ||
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On July 24 2012 07:26 marvellosity wrote: LOL I CAN PLAY THIS GAME TOO, AM I AWESOME YET? no, you've been awesome all along <3 | ||
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On July 24 2012 09:02 Probulous wrote: Well no one told me why I am wrong (if I am). Why is this? Cause honestly I have had a null tell on Palmar and agreed with him throughout this entire game... Also, I was wondering if scum would weed out their high level members for us (killing the town vets first thus if Palmar or syllo or MZ were alive like day 5 or 6, they'd be very very very likely scum... but idk these aren't exactly arguments that counter the case you made and sandroba and syllos reads on palmar | ||
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On July 24 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote: See Day 1. I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt. Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual. Lol you forget that other cases may be as good if not stronger than yours. Didn't you chastise (or atleast allow people to chastise) me for doing the exact same thing to my strongest read Katina? I don't see you revoking my claims in order to push my vote onto Palmar. Why should I do something that you are not willing to do yourself? | ||
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On July 24 2012 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: scum double voter?! jk you can't vote yourself, i tried to make slooshykins do that already ...he already answered this; we don' want a no-lynch. I wasn't referring to us ever no lynching I am referring to how he pushed his lynch target and how he wants others to push theirs | ||
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On July 24 2012 09:26 Probulous wrote: That's a fair point. To counter I posit that Palmar is more likely to be an Exec than Katina and so a more useful lynch. Besides, the choice was really between Zealos and Palmar. Katina never went anywhere, we can look at her tomorrow. As for Zealos, well when he flips, he will flip Zealos. The guy looks like scum when he is town and given Kurumi's flip I am sceptical of Sandroba PM plans acually outing scum and not dumb town. Again I go back to my original point, if you wanted my vote, I made it clear how to get it. Good point. | ||
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layabout sloosh HiroPro Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh austinmcc Katina rastaban marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z Zealos I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez) Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased) Bill Murray austinmcc risk.nuke marvellosity Gonzaw This leaves us with layabout sloosh hiropro Meapak_Ziphh Katina Rastaban Q-bert-Z Zealos With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse This leaves our remaining scum team probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos | ||
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On July 25 2012 01:05 rastaban wrote: Bah, Your filter is too big I get lost  I still think the point stands. While you were eventually able to vote for him you didn't want to. I don't think that makes you scum alone, but it is definitely not a point in your favor. My problem is that you are willing to post and argue points to defend people but other than Katina we don't see you arguing for a lynch of someone. Thats because there has not been a candidate I have endorsed (other than kurumi) that has been up for lynch. I had a town read on BH, I was wrong, and I thought the bandwagon on Gonzaw was due to him not having enough time for this game, and I now have a town read on him. I had a null read on Palmar and there was no other lynch candidates, once again I was wrong, or atleast didn't see what everyone else so blatantly did see. I would have lynched katina, you, or zealos over Palmar yesterday, but there wasn't a second candidate. Also, I would have gladly voted Foolishness day 3 if he was still alive. On July 25 2012 01:05 HiroPro wrote: Eh, the lists aren't really the thing that make Matt scum. It's the fact that he focuses only on Katina (without really saying much other than lynch her and "wbg said this is a good way to catch katina", picks up on inconsequential things going on in the thread (like the thing about VE going "wah wah wah") and tries to use that as justification for his "reads", and doesn't really make pushes for anyone to be lynched (other than katina, who has never been a serious candidate). Are you trying to discount my analysis using WBG's method or WBG's method? If you are trying to discount my analysis you clearly did not read it (its not just 1 post in my filter). If you are trying to discount WBG's method then you are probably just plain wrong. Read above for making pushes for lynches. On July 25 2012 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Humour me then; what do you think the consensus read on austin is at the moment? Null. This was what happened to me too. If everyone actually looked at the number of people they've called scum and the number of scum left (6), they'd probably realize there isn't enough scum to go around. In my opinion, he is spending too much time trying to figure out the game, and not trying to figure out its players. This can be seen in his paranoia about sandroba and his constant discussion of roles. I don't know if this is because he is afraid to discuss players and their motives or if it is because he is just trying to figure it out the "safe" "mod-confirmed" way | ||
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On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote: BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting. Define doing nothing about it. | ||
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On July 25 2012 02:10 HiroPro wrote: Everything Mattchew has ever said about MZ since day 1. I call this doing nothing about it. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote: If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum Katina - read my filter Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL Bill Murray Chezinu On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote: Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 20 2012 07:42 Mattchew wrote: Cool add zealos to the list Scum = Foolishness Kurumi Zealos VE Rastaban Katina MZ On July 24 2012 23:59 Mattchew wrote: Syllo style working backwards time layabout sloosh HiroPro Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh austinmcc Katina rastaban marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z Zealos I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez) Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased) Bill Murray austinmcc risk.nuke marvellosity Gonzaw This leaves us with layabout sloosh hiropro Meapak_Ziphh Katina Rastaban Q-bert-Z Zealos With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse This leaves our remaining scum team probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos Yes. Kurumi was the day 2 lynch completely uncontested Palmar was the day 3 lynch basically uncontested due to syllo prob and supersoft wtf else do you want me to do then to keep him in mind... My read on him hasn't changed | ||
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On July 25 2012 03:03 Katina wrote: To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now. I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew) On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote: Gonzaw: I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it. Instead Gonzaw often goes off and comes back eventually posts something then gone again. He talks a lot about other players in the game but never hard pushes anyone. Gonzaw makes long posts that basically ramble on certain player and by the end I have forgotten what I have read. He tries to look useful with his posts but in the end they are just taking up space. He throws doubt around the town and takes off when he has done his job. I'm aware that he said he was away this weekend and can't be here to properly defend himself. this is literally all you have said about Gonzaw in terms of how you define his alignment. The first part can be attributed to his lack of time (to read and to post) and the 2nd part is like literally the most typical town Gonzaw-like play ever, meaning you have not taken account for his meta or previous games. On July 23 2012 09:13 Katina wrote: I don't think I believe sloosh's claim. He doesn't say much all game then comes in when foolishness dies and claims he killed him. I'm more inclined to believe supersoft. sloosh made it on my Mafia list. I think VE is probably town and Mattchew might be as well just extremely misguided same goes for rastaban. Palmar needs to be lynched today then one of the following next: Sloosh Meapak Gonzaw Layabout risk.nuke This is all you've said about sloosh. You don't believe his claim. You don't have reason for why you don't believe his claim, you just... dont? Katina, you are pushing lynches that you have just about not commented on. And now syllo is null, and rastaban says he hasn't done anything lol. I forgot to mention at any point that I did not want to lynch Gonzaw day 1 because I was playing in another game (I cant believe its not themed) and I was scum, and I was pushing Gonzaw for lynch on the same principals that he was being pushed for here. | ||
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On July 25 2012 06:30 syllogism wrote: I see you did post some thoughts of your own about him, but you would think palmar/foolishness flipping mafia and pushing the lynch would make you reconsider a bit. I don't particularly like the post where you commented on Foolishness' case as it had too many strange clarifications and you even said that you had started ignoring him, just like in a previous game where he flipped mafia... its very possible neither knew of his alignment | ||
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Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm. Marv imo this means nothing given the setup | ||
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also Marv On July 23 2012 11:24 Mattchew wrote: What do you make of the fact that in 2 posts to start day 2 Katina doesn't mention Palmar (or vote him) and then until switches back to being "on him" when the bandwagon today had started rolling. | ||
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On July 25 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote: What's her goal in bringing him up early and then not talking about him for a couple of posts? well day 1 and day 2, there was no chance of a palmar lynch (especially when she made the case)... He was supposed to be her strongest read right, wouldn't she be immediately pushing him on day 3 if this was the case? | ||
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On July 25 2012 06:59 syllogism wrote: Of course it means something. Just because mafia do not know who the other mafia are does not mean they want to actually lynch mafia if they can get away with it. Pushing to lynch mafia every day isn't a very sound strategy for a mafia victory. This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you (I would argue like literally no one is) and I don't think Katina was as confident as you. If Katina is scum and was not in connection with Palmar, there is an extremely low chance of Palmar being scum. lets say katina is an exec, and Palmar is not her minion (50/50), one would assume that if Palmar was scum, he'd be the other exec, but thats only 1 person out of a list of like 7 or 8 vets in the game. lets say katina is a minion, palmar is not her exec so that leaves the same situation as found above. I think the consensus of the thread and everyone in general was that if Palmar were to flip scum, he'd be an exec. This means that if Katina did not know his role she would be actually playing it pretty safe thinking Palmar was town due to the numbers alone | ||
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it isn't but she said Palmar wasn't an exec so its null and void anyway | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Twice in two pages Mattchew. Considering the amount you're posting, that's an eternity. So 2 outta my ~150 posts?... And it was for about an hour before I realized how rash I was being and how my logic was wrong... | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote: What part of "completely gut" did you misunderstand sir? If you're innocent then just trust that you're not on my red list for a reason. meh i just don't like that you think I am a good lynch tomorrow even when you name 5 scum in bold red | ||
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On July 25 2012 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote: At the risk of sounding like a douche....that's really scummy of you sir.  At the risk of sounding like a douche, I meant that it isn't smart of you, to leave stupid townies and eager scum a reason to mislynch a townie wah wah waaaaaah ;P | ||
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On July 25 2012 13:01 Probulous wrote: Fuck it ## lynch layabout Do you want reasons or are you just happy to let me take the responsibility for his flip? interesting | ||
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On July 25 2012 14:13 supersoft wrote: okay I read layabout now. And I honestly wouldn't have killed him. I fail to see why he's scummier than sloosh or MZ. I admit, that my first stage, second stage and thirdstage post was a mistake. I just wanted to give you a rough image... No let's hope the best. He'll flip soon right? that depends on mods | ||
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On July 25 2012 14:47 Probulous wrote: Hmm interesting. A dud nuke for scum, maybe there might be a scum nuke out there after all. But why haven't scum used it yet? how could they without being rash and scummy. just look at kurumi | ||
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if we are going to test this theory on someone, it might as well be the least useful of those we are trying to test it on (and the one with a direct town-flipped counterpart) | ||
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On July 25 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote: This is downright stupid. Think about it, we have two confirmed mirror roles. What does a third do? If you think Chez is scum because of his actions, then post a case, but lynching him because we want to test the mirror role thing is scummy as all hell. It has been "tested" and twice it has been found to be true. So if you accept that it is true that every role has a mirror than you can push Chez based on your belief but not to "test" it. So we aren't in a position where we can test a theory that nets us 2 scum? However, VE I have no seen a mirror to BM's role. | ||
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On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol | ||
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On July 25 2012 15:36 Probulous wrote: Matt, hasn't it been tested already? What exactly does another flip tell us that the previous ones haven't? It's a really bad reason to lynch someone. @Meapak Why did Zealos leave out the first line from sandroba's PM? I just don't understand how his reaction to sandroba makes him scum. Either he deliberately chose to remove that line and not respond to sandroba in thread, or he is dumb and wasn't reading. Wait a second, maybe he expected Sandroba to die that night alleviating him of the need to post the PM? But that doesn't explain why he left out the first line. I don't get it, can someone explain to me? I mean if it aint broke don't fix it type shit... but the problem is supersoft brings up a good point with chezinu+sand = 2execs so we would have to lynch into scum between you and VE and I don't feel comfortable doing that | ||
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On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness. Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs. uh, double stack? | ||
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On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine. no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd. | ||
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On July 25 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would have thought the minions would have been warned off of shooting foolishness given how easy it would have been for someone to shoot foolishness and get away with it had he been town. I can understand the rational behind a mafia vig shooting foolishness which is exactly why I'd expect him to have warned people against it. The more I think about it though, it doesn't matter either way since sloosh is scum no matter which way you slice it according to the mirror theory. Unless you think supersoft could be scum but I doubt it. it depends on how often execs can speak with their minions and how much info they disclosed. But shooting the guy basically everyone thought was scum is a good way to earn town cred. idk why sloosh/super would fakeclaim that shot knowing he would be counter-claimed | ||
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Syllo I feel the crux of your case is how wrong he has been. If you have time please read him in I Can't Believe It's Not Themed. This post by WBG is about how wrong he with his reads in that game. Also, when he did vote for scum day 2 + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2012 11:47 gonzaw wrote: Fuck it I doubt I'll change my mind about talismania. ##Vote: talismania Just wanted to get the vote out there for a more "official" standing of what I said before. | ||
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On July 26 2012 07:15 austinmcc wrote: She's not posting a ton, but I'm tending to like what she posts?
The only thing bugging me about her is Kurumi asking for her reads, and Katina responding that she has no town reads. Hopefully that isn't still the case. Post heavily edited to get question/answer I'm also more likely to compare her to LVI, since I played there and only read Liar Game. Some stupid comparisons: In LVI, her first page of filter has 10 !s. Here it has 5, and only in two playful posts. In LVI, she deflected Bugs and I, but no OMGUS. Here, after more pressure from Mattchew, she's finding him scummy (Not conclusive of anything) If you look at MTG when I pressured her she did the same OMGUS type thing | ||
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On July 26 2012 07:19 syllogism wrote: You do realize mafia make bad claims all the time and then they get lynched? I'm pretty sure you do Palmar was being lynched... sloosh was not... that impacts things heavily | ||
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##unvote ##vote sloosh | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:41 gonzaw wrote: So I take it all those PMs sloosh posted were fake then? doubtful | ||
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On July 27 2012 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: No one seems to be bothered by Chezinu's absence. No one but me, that is. Lo, to be alone and insane. what do you think of his role in consideration with sloosh's PM | ||
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On July 27 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote: So we have 1 leaderless minion and two minions with a leader left, right? we have 1 leader with 1 minion, and then a minion that is either with that leader or not with that leader, and a traitor | ||
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On July 28 2012 08:02 austinmcc wrote: Make QbertZ a messenger. Have PMing people be a non-thread action, something that BM can't steal. Then it all works out. Katina had pants on her head. At least so far, Katina /w pants on head = town. unrelated to the game, does anyone realize thats not her and that i posted that pic before she did | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 21 2012 12:46 Katina wrote: So this is a picture of me after I saw what Kurumi flipped. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TJhPq.jpg) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316574¤tpage=28#553 | ||
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On July 31 2012 03:02 Protactinium wrote: Consider this the one warning for.... everyone? Either contribute or don't post. This is ridiculous. I would say i think it is stemming from the length of the game | ||
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"Congratulations! You have been recruited to join the super awesome Chezinu House! What does this mean? It means you now report to King Chezinu himself! Since House Chezinu is so awesome, your new win condition is just to be awesome, but of course, you're in House Chezinu, so you've already fulfilled that. Since you were inducted to the noble house, you may also take use of it's powers! Type "##Kill: name to kill the person of your choice! Here is your first order: Welcome! We must work quickly to root out the remainder of the scum, so that we can get started with the work of rebuilding! With the elimination of the last scum, the director of communication will be able to rise to power. Once this complete, the town will belong to a new king. No longer will Prob and VE have power.. muhahaha! Your glorious leader, Youknowwho" Pm I just received ... | ||
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I doubt this works | ||
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lol both of sandroba's PM things failed (not due to him but still lol) lynch order > qbert > katina? gg? | ||
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this is like the most unfulfilling win of all time | ||
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