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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On July 25 2012 05:27 slOosh wrote: How is what you are doing different from what hiro is doing? Also, any reason why you doctored Sandroba's message when you posted it? Because I'm lurking. He's actively trying /not/ to lurk, while still being useless. And yes, obviously, in case he had any other reason to send me another message. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 25 2012 05:44 slOosh wrote: Current list is layabout, Meapak, Zealos, BM, risk.nuke. With risk it looks like he is skating by with minimal involvement - half his recent filter are questions. He is the cause of VE mistaking him for a vig but never bothered to clarify himself, so either he isn't reading or doesn't care. The reference to GGQ is that risk is flying under everyone's radars, yet doing enough to not get modkilled. Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 25 2012 05:46 syllogism wrote: Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him? It's a trap! | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 25 2012 05:46 syllogism wrote: Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him? Ok now you are just twisting everything to make me look like scum, just because the role I received doesn't seem like a Ver / Incog thing to do, and apparently explaining myself was a scummy thing to do. I want to lynch him because he looks like scum. Did you lynch Palmar because Foolishness wanted to lynch him? What's with the loaded question? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
 )Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum. Zealos - he is scum. Again he is uninvested in the game. He doctored sandroba's message to him in addition to not bringing it to the thread originally (I'm aware Kurumi flipped town, but it is definitely anti-town...). layabout brought up how Zealos played in Bang Bang. A decent filter comparison because he replaced into both games. It seems clear to me that Zealos was much more interested and invested in the course of that game (even if he did make questionable decisions). He was quite active and at least looking for some truth. Here his filter is defending himself poorly and very little else. What is Zealos trying to do? Also the case on Hiro is bad and smells of him making an effort because he feels he finally needs to. rastaban - not quite as sure with rastaban as I am with the two above, but I think he will flip scum. Earlier in the game, MZ's case was an accurate summation of rastaban's play. He was going wherever the lynch was easiest, taking the path of least resistance. Since the time of his case, he's pinged the other way in what reads to me as an artificial attempt at pushing new/interesting ideas. He magics a townread on Kurumi on the basis that Kurumi /outs a different game, and when the sentiment was anti-Foolish he buddies up to him On July 22 2012 04:57 rastaban wrote: I was snooping through some of the experienced players filters Syllogism is town it is pretty obvious Foolishness I'm sorry I doubted you for a bit. I forgot last game we played together mafia's ploy was to get you lynched. I am convinced your town now so let's work together. You are posting just like you did then with distant for poor town play an focusing on finding scum. I like it! Not sure on ggq yet, time for more research! Chezinu and sandroba are obviously town. BM is so different from himself he must be scum. Just the tone of how it's written feels fake. "Look! I'm being different! yay!" He also makes a bizarre case on layabout on the basis of wbg's nightkill. It was an entire case built on some wifom and fundamentally he seems to be thinking in a different way than I'd expect a townie to. Other bits and bobs: gonzaw: I seem to have a townread on him now having looked through his filter. His posts read as genuine and earnest to me. He's had a couple of dodgy reads which I'd love to say constituted an agenda, but he never pushed the misdirection of them, so I'm not seeing it. On Katina: her filter is interesting. My question to her some pages back re:syllogism was the question mark I took out of reading her filter earlier. I'm not quite sure how she can have a null read on syllo at the moment, syllo is too prominent for this to be the case. Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 25 2012 06:30 syllogism wrote: I see you did post some thoughts of your own about him, but you would think palmar/foolishness flipping mafia and pushing the lynch would make you reconsider a bit. I don't particularly like the post where you commented on Foolishness' case as it had too many strange clarifications and you even said that you had started ignoring him, just like in a previous game where he flipped mafia... its very possible neither knew of his alignment | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm. Marv imo this means nothing given the setup | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
also Marv On July 23 2012 11:24 Mattchew wrote: What do you make of the fact that in 2 posts to start day 2 Katina doesn't mention Palmar (or vote him) and then until switches back to being "on him" when the bandwagon today had started rolling. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 25 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote: What's her goal in bringing him up early and then not talking about him for a couple of posts? well day 1 and day 2, there was no chance of a palmar lynch (especially when she made the case)... He was supposed to be her strongest read right, wouldn't she be immediately pushing him on day 3 if this was the case? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Again what is a scum Katina pushing at in these circumstances? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 25 2012 06:59 syllogism wrote: Of course it means something. Just because mafia do not know who the other mafia are does not mean they want to actually lynch mafia if they can get away with it. Pushing to lynch mafia every day isn't a very sound strategy for a mafia victory. This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you (I would argue like literally no one is) and I don't think Katina was as confident as you. If Katina is scum and was not in connection with Palmar, there is an extremely low chance of Palmar being scum. lets say katina is an exec, and Palmar is not her minion (50/50), one would assume that if Palmar was scum, he'd be the other exec, but thats only 1 person out of a list of like 7 or 8 vets in the game. lets say katina is a minion, palmar is not her exec so that leaves the same situation as found above. I think the consensus of the thread and everyone in general was that if Palmar were to flip scum, he'd be an exec. This means that if Katina did not know his role she would be actually playing it pretty safe thinking Palmar was town due to the numbers alone | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 25 2012 07:10 Mattchew wrote: This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you (I would argue like literally no one is) and I don't think Katina was as confident as you. If Katina is scum and was not in connection with Palmar, there is an extremely low chance of Palmar being scum. lets say katina is an exec, and Palmar is not her minion (50/50), one would assume that if Palmar was scum, he'd be the other exec, but thats only 1 person out of a list of like 7 or 8 vets in the game. lets say katina is a minion, palmar is not her exec so that leaves the same situation as found above. I think the consensus of the thread and everyone in general was that if Palmar were to flip scum, he'd be an exec. This means that if Katina did not know his role she would be actually playing it pretty safe thinking Palmar was town due to the numbers alone ? This is all nonsense. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
it isn't but she said Palmar wasn't an exec so its null and void anyway | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
I've not been playing irc mafia and got 20+page filter. I'm also am aware that I haven't really made cases but not because of lack of wanting to. I just haven't been able to motivate myself into doing it when people are already voicing their suspicion against my targets. If I don't need to convince them i don't need to make a case. And not making cases is not the same as not having reads. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
how does that feel? | ||
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