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On July 25 2012 02:05 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^ BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting. Define doing nothing about it.
Everything Mattchew has ever said about MZ since day 1. I call this doing nothing about it.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost
Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 20 2012 07:42 Mattchew wrote:
Cool add zealos to the list
Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
Zealos
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ
On July 24 2012 23:59 Mattchew wrote:
Syllo style working backwards time
layabout
sloosh
HiroPro
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
austinmcc
Katina
rastaban
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez)
Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased)
Bill Murray
austinmcc
risk.nuke
marvellosity
Gonzaw
This leaves us with
layabout
sloosh
hiropro
Meapak_Ziphh
Katina
Rastaban
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse
This leaves our remaining scum team
probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend
probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos
On July 25 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
Alright... you're up for lynching Zealos tomorrow then?
Yes.
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Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this:
On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.
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On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this: Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.
Only the traitor can actually decide whether or not revealing themselves will actually help town. If they think they can get more info, they should stay hidden. If they have some actual evidence on other scum members than they should reveal themselves.
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We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak
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Is it because you feel he has a greater possibility of flipping officer?
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On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this: Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.
Additional musings on the traitor:
(1) Foolishness's PM said he didn't actually have any powers. Scum only has 3 minions with powers left.
(2) Scum could know who the traitorous minion is, as the bosses might have been able to figure out who doesn't actually have the power they supposedly have.
(3) IF you subscribe to the magical mirror theory, which I still don't like, then we may have a town traitor as well.
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On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak
Explain the case to me then please.
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On July 25 2012 02:10 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:05 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^ BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting. Define doing nothing about it. Everything Mattchew has ever said about MZ since day 1. I call this doing nothing about it. + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost
Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 20 2012 07:42 Mattchew wrote:
Cool add zealos to the list
Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
Zealos
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ
On July 24 2012 23:59 Mattchew wrote:
Syllo style working backwards time
layabout
sloosh
HiroPro
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
austinmcc
Katina
rastaban
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez)
Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased)
Bill Murray
austinmcc
risk.nuke
marvellosity
Gonzaw
This leaves us with
layabout
sloosh
hiropro
Meapak_Ziphh
Katina
Rastaban
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse
This leaves our remaining scum team
probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend
probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos
Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
Alright... you're up for lynching Zealos tomorrow then? Yes.
Kurumi was the day 2 lynch completely uncontested
Palmar was the day 3 lynch basically uncontested due to syllo prob and supersoft
wtf else do you want me to do then to keep him in mind... My read on him hasn't changed
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On July 25 2012 02:21 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this: On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. Additional musings on the traitor: (1) Foolishness's PM said he didn't actually have any powers. Scum only has 3 minions with powers left. (2) Scum could know who the traitorous minion is, as the bosses might have been able to figure out who doesn't actually have the power they supposedly have. (3) IF you subscribe to the magical mirror theory, which I still don't like, then we may have a town traitor as well.
3 minions?
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On July 25 2012 02:31 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:21 austinmcc wrote:On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this: On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. Additional musings on the traitor: (1) Foolishness's PM said he didn't actually have any powers. Scum only has 3 minions with powers left. (2) Scum could know who the traitorous minion is, as the bosses might have been able to figure out who doesn't actually have the power they supposedly have. (3) IF you subscribe to the magical mirror theory, which I still don't like, then we may have a town traitor as well. 3 minions? Game starts with 6 minions /w powers
minus BH
minus Palmar
minus the traitorOn July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote:
Be warned: one of the above minions is a traitorous employee who wants to sell you out to your fiercest competitor and doesn't actually have a power.
4 minions left, one being the traitor w/o a power. So only 3 with powers.
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On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote:
-Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.
Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that.
Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ?
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On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak Explain the case to me then please.
He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.
It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.
It doesn't get much more passive than this:
On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that.
On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.
At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.
Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.
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do the 2 VP's have communication with each other? cause if not, and if foolishness did not tell them who the other was, we are essentially playing against 2 scum teams
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To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now.
I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew)
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Really katina, I'm a null read? That's amazing
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:/
Katina saying all the wrong things now.
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On July 25 2012 03:05 syllogism wrote:
Really katina, I'm a null read? That's amazing
well maybe if you would stop lurking and actually help out the town for once she could get a read on you...
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lol katina that was unexpected :D
seen some talk about meapak?
null on syllo?
young lady i thought you got this???
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Guys there's something strange going on with Chez.
He's promising to "shape up" now? Really?
We just killed 3 scum in one cycle. THREE SCUM IN ONE CYCLE.
Whatever the piss we're doing, we're doing it right. Now isn't the time to change things up, if you're a townie.
Conversely if you're scum, something is going horribly horribly wrong.
Between the two, who do you think is more likely to change it up and "shape up" now?
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On July 25 2012 03:10 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:05 syllogism wrote:
Really katina, I'm a null read? That's amazing well maybe if you would stop lurking and actually help out the town for once she could get a read on you...
you realize, that syllo and i (and VE to some extend, he however killed bh) were the driving force behind foolishness and palmars deaths? lurking? do you even read the thread?
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