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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 16:00 GMT
#3061
Lol at rasta not knowing how to look at times of posts
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 24 2012 16:01 GMT
#3062
I agree, that is suspicious. It's not quite conclusive as it could also be an oversight.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 24 2012 16:02 GMT
#3063
what are you referring to syllo?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 24 2012 16:03 GMT
#3064
The fact he removed some people out of consideration due to them not being realistic lynches tomorrow and then proceeded to attempt to form the whole scum team without including any of those people.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2012 16:05 GMT
#3065
On July 25 2012 01:00 Mattchew wrote:
Lol at rasta not knowing how to look at times of posts

Bah, Your filter is too big I get lost

I still think the point stands. While you were eventually able to vote for him you didn't want to. I don't think that makes you scum alone, but it is definitely not a point in your favor. My problem is that you are willing to post and argue points to defend people but other than Katina we don't see you arguing for a lynch of someone.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 16:05 GMT
#3066
Eh, the lists aren't really the thing that make Matt scum. It's the fact that he focuses only on Katina (without really saying much other than lynch her and "wbg said this is a good way to catch katina", picks up on inconsequential things going on in the thread (like the thing about VE going "wah wah wah") and tries to use that as justification for his "reads", and doesn't really make pushes for anyone to be lynched (other than katina, who has never been a serious candidate).
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 16:08 GMT
#3067
There is obviously a reason they won't/can't be lynched tomorrow and I even said that those names were biased
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 24 2012 16:12 GMT
#3068
How was that part of the list formed, Matt?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 16:13 GMT
#3069
My reads + others reads
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 24 2012 16:15 GMT
#3070
Humour me then; what do you think the consensus read on austin is at the moment?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 16:27:00
July 24 2012 16:16 GMT
#3071
On July 25 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote:
My reads + others reads

Your list just said you thought they couldn't be lynched today. By reads, do you mean people who were viewed as town, or do you mean people who were viewed as lower priority?

Edit - Never mind clicked through to view it and saw that one of the questions is what grade level you are at. Good luck
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2012 16:29 GMT
#3072
OOps!!! Sorry I though I was editing my post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=355413#9
Please don't kill me please
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 24 2012 16:31 GMT
#3073
I'll vouch that the content of your post did not change
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 16:36 GMT
#3074
was posting from my phone in my car, back to being on a real computer
On July 25 2012 01:05 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 01:00 Mattchew wrote:
Lol at rasta not knowing how to look at times of posts

Bah, Your filter is too big I get lost

I still think the point stands. While you were eventually able to vote for him you didn't want to. I don't think that makes you scum alone, but it is definitely not a point in your favor. My problem is that you are willing to post and argue points to defend people but other than Katina we don't see you arguing for a lynch of someone.

Thats because there has not been a candidate I have endorsed (other than kurumi) that has been up for lynch. I had a town read on BH, I was wrong, and I thought the bandwagon on Gonzaw was due to him not having enough time for this game, and I now have a town read on him. I had a null read on Palmar and there was no other lynch candidates, once again I was wrong, or atleast didn't see what everyone else so blatantly did see. I would have lynched katina, you, or zealos over Palmar yesterday, but there wasn't a second candidate. Also, I would have gladly voted Foolishness day 3 if he was still alive.

On July 25 2012 01:05 HiroPro wrote:
Eh, the lists aren't really the thing that make Matt scum. It's the fact that he focuses only on Katina (without really saying much other than lynch her and "wbg said this is a good way to catch katina", picks up on inconsequential things going on in the thread (like the thing about VE going "wah wah wah") and tries to use that as justification for his "reads", and doesn't really make pushes for anyone to be lynched (other than katina, who has never been a serious candidate).

Are you trying to discount my analysis using WBG's method or WBG's method? If you are trying to discount my analysis you clearly did not read it (its not just 1 post in my filter). If you are trying to discount WBG's method then you are probably just plain wrong. Read above for making pushes for lynches.

On July 25 2012 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Humour me then; what do you think the consensus read on austin is at the moment?

Null. This was what happened to me too. If everyone actually looked at the number of people they've called scum and the number of scum left (6), they'd probably realize there isn't enough scum to go around.

In my opinion, he is spending too much time trying to figure out the game, and not trying to figure out its players. This can be seen in his paranoia about sandroba and his constant discussion of roles. I don't know if this is because he is afraid to discuss players and their motives or if it is because he is just trying to figure it out the "safe" "mod-confirmed" way
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 16:37 GMT
#3075
On July 25 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
I'll vouch that the content of your post did not change

samesies
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 16:51 GMT
#3076
On July 17 2012 04:08 Mattchew wrote:
More evidence against Katina. She pushes Palmar for wanting the RL but doesn't mention Hiropro who also came out in favor of it. She says that she doesn't like Palmar's defense with his "I hate you guys" and "I dont want to talk to marv anymore" post but then posts this to me
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:48 Katina wrote:
On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG


You're wrong



WBG said here (LVI Obs) the way to catch Katina
Show nested quote +
Also if you read my reasoning behind Katina being scum that's essentially how you catch her. She was much more slippery this game, probably because she heeded the advice I gave her last time. She had multiple targets and she made "cases" on different people (last time she just tunneled one guy) but her downfall was that if she was town she would've equally attacked different people for the same reasons. In other words if she wanted stronger scumplay she should've been aware of contradicting herself


She ignores others in favor of RL and she contradicts herself about Palmars defense with her own completely lacking defense


On July 23 2012 10:30 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 10:24 gonzaw wrote:
On July 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:
I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it
On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.

is remarkably similar to this
On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.

From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani).

he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams)


Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum?
I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it.

I said it before using a WBG quote on how to quote her. I think she is accusing people for things other people (or herself) are doing. I don't think a lot of the things in her cases are logical and she was told by wbg (in advice to improve her scum play) to make more cases on more people, which I think she's forced out this game.


This and this? The RL thing was only a small part of Katina's case on Palmar, hardly a case of treating people differently for doing the same thing. Your second post is very late into the game - yet do you provide any specific examples or discuss in detail? No, you're merely content to say "this is way to catch katina, katina has been caught she is scum".

You keep commenting "yea katina is scum" and saying we should vote for her, but do you say anything about her later behavior or posting or analyze it? No, all you do is tell other people "compare Katina's play this game to other games" and say "Katina is my strongest scum read"


All of your posts on other people are very superficial. You make a comment on one small thing, say that they are scum, and then just pretty much do nothing. You see that your candidates are not up for lynch, yet you do not put effort into pushing them or seriously convincing others of their guilt.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 24 2012 16:58 GMT
#3077
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 17:02 GMT
#3078
On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^


BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 24 2012 17:05 GMT
#3079
Alright... you're up for lynching Zealos tomorrow then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 17:05 GMT
#3080
On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^


BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting.

Define doing nothing about it.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
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