EPTOn July 24 2012 14:42 risk.nuke wrote:
Palmar didn't flip officer.
lol. I wonder if we just lucked as hell.
Palmar didn't flip officer.
lol. I wonder if we just lucked as hell.
So are you a craze employee?
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
So are you a craze employee? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On July 24 2012 14:18 Probulous wrote: You serious  The giant picture of a crown didn't give it away. I mean I said quite clearly that VE was going to get some silverware and then he types ##lynch BH and suddenly BH dies but you don't connect the two? For someone who expects us to work out your clues you don't spend much time working out ours. Hmm this suggests you didn't actually know that I could do that. What did you think this meant oh and to answer you question about the you carrying others. I was more concerned about your alignment than your role. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
What is a craze employee? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
An employee more powerful than a crazed employee. Its just nonsense. There is more likely a wall street protester than an employee. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Might shift starts. I'll be back tonight. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 24 2012 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, we're back under the assumption that scum powers come with townie counterparts. BH -> slOosh/risk.nuke/supersoft WBG -> Palmar Two flipped scums with two townie counterparts (one flipped, one ambiguous.) Now, Sandroba has flipped town as "Bossy Employee" so I posit that Chezinu is scum based on the information we have. Anyone wanna check my math here? On July 23 2012 12:55 slOosh wrote: Risk.nuke is quoting me and posting statements in the same post, and somehow thinks 1 and 2 are mutually distinct. On July 24 2012 08:34 Probulous wrote: Remember people, Day 1 only Foolishness knew his two subordinates. Palmar's play is very similar to Foolishness in that both of them softly pushed people who are likely scum and tunnelled those that are likely town. In Day 1 Palmar straight up called Sandroba confirmed scum and then tunnelled Syllo. However, despite Sandroba being "confirmed scum" and Foolishness pushing Syllo like crazy, Palmar opts to constantly soft push MZ. Why? I think MZ is the other executive and Palmar never knew this. Palmar is smart, he would easily pick up on how MZ was going with the flow on Day 1 but he cannot push him hard because of his vet status he might be an exec. Then suddenly come Day 2, he stops mentioning MZ at all. Why? Well because Foolishness has found a way to let his execs know who their buddy is. With Palmar flipping minion it looks like Foolishness was trying to set up a mislynch on a vet with his death (intentionally acting weird with regards to Palmar) and got unlucky as he didn't expect a not-exec Palmar on his team. Bringing up Palmar's original list On July 17 2012 23:06 Palmar wrote: ... Meapak_Ziphh Blazinghand ... Thank me later. As a minion he didn't know anyone. Yet he chose to hard defend BH. This was either through a message or through his own reads that he pegged BH as mafia that needed saving. With Meapak it's hard to tell because he was never in real danger of being lynched, so either Palmar could have been prodding someone he thought town and seeing if it would gain traction, or prodding someone he thought mafia to remain credible according to his town play. Conclusion, associative tells with Palmar are helter skelter. With Meapak I think his filter alone is enough to deem him scum, and potentially exec with his vet status: On July 17 2012 02:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Despite what he'll have you believe, Palmar is not allergic to contributing. Bolded part is extremely retarded, Palmar isn't good enough to justify giving special privileges to. Only player of that caliber in this game is foolishness and even so it'd be nice if he'd make an appearance soonish. On July 17 2012 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol sandroba that was beautiful. ##Vote: Kurumi So let's talk about tomorrow. My assumptions are that Chez will continue trolling and that Palmar will continue to be worthless but let's broaden our horizons. Blazinghand and rastaban spring to mind, BH has been discussed a fair bit but I'll shed some light on rastaban. + Show Spoiler + Some of his greatest his include posts like this: On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote: Caught up now, thoughts so far: First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity! This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for. @ HiroPro Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see: Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far. OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch. This: On July 17 2012 00:15 rastaban wrote: And they get only 1 shot to do so, so they will need to wait before sending it out. and it sounds like names are restricted in someway as well. Say we start to lynch a minion, then only 1 other person knows he is mafia (the high rank) at most he can probably say don't let this lynch go through. and it gets sent to the other 2 minions, but only if he hadn't said anything before that. or he won't even be able to say that. They also need to wait to hear from the leader or they can't forward on his message. This means more confusion as they have to wait later to try and save someone. This is why this lynch is so unique and a great shot for us to lynch scum. (full disclosure, I forgot they could send one message now though, which is why I said they would have no impact in my previous post) And this: On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote: I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go. As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake. ##vote blazinghand What traits to these posts share? They're extremely wishy-washy, there's a lot of setup speculation, and his current vote was part of a bandwagon where he was merely parroting other's opinions. I'll continue to keep my eye on my other little fishes but they've been well discussed unlike rastaban who has been skirting the radar. Thoughts? (people who read the thread only please). He is doing the same thing Palmar is doing. Going after big name players but backing off when it seems like they could be scum. He says that Palmar isn't special enough to give privileges to, yet his actions and words speak otherwise. Focuses on and picks on safer choice rastaban, who isn't as big of a loss if on same team as Palmar. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 24 2012 14:42 risk.nuke wrote: Palmar didn't flip officer. lol. I wonder if we just lucked as hell. No. Chezinu can I get a message? I never get any messages... Maybe the message could include some useful information | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On July 24 2012 19:07 syllogism wrote: Also we should kill layabout first as his actual behavior "today" was by far most damning. presumably you're talking about his obstinacy with Palmar? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
second stage suspects: zealos, layabout, austin third stage suspects: rastaban, Mattchew, marvellosity, Q-bert-Z | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
Q out. P.S., Phone post from airport, yes i already asked for replacement. Don't know if they will allow it though. gl, hf, dd. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
From this point on wards, I think it is in the best interest for town that I stop talking in a troll-like manner. Tomorrow (game time), I will reveal my role and provide my analysis of the players in this game. Now that we have a strong group of confirmed town, I find there is a less need to be conspicuous. My confessions of all my actions will be included. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
layabout sloosh HiroPro Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh austinmcc Katina rastaban marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z Zealos I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez) Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased) Bill Murray austinmcc risk.nuke marvellosity Gonzaw This leaves us with layabout sloosh hiropro Meapak_Ziphh Katina Rastaban Q-bert-Z Zealos With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse This leaves our remaining scum team probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 24 2012 23:59 Mattchew wrote: Syllo style working backwards time layabout sloosh HiroPro Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh austinmcc Katina rastaban marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z Zealos I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez) Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased) Bill Murray austinmcc risk.nuke marvellosity Gonzaw This leaves us with layabout sloosh hiropro Meapak_Ziphh Katina Rastaban Q-bert-Z Zealos With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse This leaves our remaining scum team probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos I don't like that post all, I was trying to figure out what it was and then I realized. No, not just that it is a giant list like mafia love to do, it was more than that. Then it hit me. His mafia list is based on people he thinks can be lynched today. This post doesn't seem town aligned at all. He basically says he is willing to lynch anyone. It bothers me that there are 6 candidates with only 6 scum remaining. Maybe you don't think someone will be lynched today but why would that mean they aren't candidates for scum? This post reeks of vote justification. I decided to look into some of his previous posts. While he supported the Palmar lynch, it was only when it no longer mattered as he admits himself: On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote: I am voting Palmar. I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch. Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I. My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch. ##vote: Palmar But look at his posts before that: On July 24 2012 09:07 Mattchew wrote: Cause honestly I have had a null tell on Palmar and agreed with him throughout this entire game... Also, I was wondering if scum would weed out their high level members for us (killing the town vets first thus if Palmar or syllo or MZ were alive like day 5 or 6, they'd be very very very likely scum... but idk these aren't exactly arguments that counter the case you made and sandroba and syllos reads on palmar On July 24 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote: Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game On July 24 2012 09:18 Mattchew wrote: Lol you forget that other cases may be as good if not stronger than yours. Didn't you chastise (or atleast allow people to chastise) me for doing the exact same thing to my strongest read Katina? I don't see you revoking my claims in order to push my vote onto Palmar. Why should I do something that you are not willing to do yourself? He wanted to save Palmar, but when the pressure was to late he gave in, but only after his vote no longer mattered.... He has pushed Katina this entire game, to nearly the exclusion of all else. while he posts one liners atempting discredit players he never goes after anyone besides Katina Lastly I would like to ask you to go through his filter and look at how many lists he posts juxtapose his arguments for lynching, On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote: If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum Katina - read my filter Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL Bill Murray Chezinu Posts like this are all too common but other than Katina you will never see him actually try and get anyone on his lists lynched, preferring to stir the pot and wish "scum" away with his lists. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 25 2012 00:19 Mattchew wrote: That was a combination post of who to lynch, that turned into a reads post lol lol, it took 20 minutes to realize you slipped up with that post? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On July 25 2012 00:50 rastaban wrote: lol, it took 20 minutes to realize you slipped up with that post? matt's not the only one who has listed like that on more than one occasion. Why pick on him and not the others? (e.g. supersoft, katina) | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 25 2012 00:53 marvellosity wrote: matt's not the only one who has listed like that on more than one occasion. Why pick on him and not the others? (e.g. supersoft, katina) My primary argument isn't the list, but the fact that the list drove his scum reads not the other way around. That is a scum mindset. He says these are a list of people not likely to be lynched today, and then he doesn't consider them as possible scum from that point on. Sure they might not be lynched but their is probably at least one scum in that list. His reason for removing them wasn't because they seem not scummy, but because they couldn't be lynched today. | ||
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