EPTHe wanted the lynch to fail. Because it would implicate him as scum.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
He wanted the lynch to fail. Because it would implicate him as scum. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
But why the fuck would he fake-claim as scum if he was SURE there was going to be a counterclaim? :/ Imagine if supersoft said "Vigs get their bullets refunded", which outs one of them as scum, then he'd be utterly screwed, and unless he got that info from the hosts previously sloosh wouldn't have known about it. And like someone said nobody knew Foo' was scum (unless a minion has a rolecop ability or something, but the point is that town doesn't know about it) so Foo's flip wouldn't really incriminate him much. If he was scum he'd just shut up, keep lurking and have more chances to live than by fake-claiming what he did. Meh, I'd say we just forget about his claim and wait to see what he contributes from now on. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 24 2012 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't push for his lynch...that's my point. He voted with me, but he never "pushed" the lynch at all. He left that to me, the townie. He wanted the lynch to fail. Because it would implicate him as scum. I got the feeling he was trolling with that "sandro is scum" thing. Well...I actually didn't understand anything of it so I assumed he was. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 24 2012 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't push for his lynch...that's my point. He voted with me, but he never "pushed" the lynch at all. He left that to me, the townie. He wanted the lynch to fail. Because it would implicate him as scum. Ok so what is the upside then? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Why plant the idea in your head. It was clear to everyone that he was the genesis of the idea and if you did manage to lynch Sandroba you could rightly point back to Chez as the source. Again, it implicates him. Further more if he was the genesis of the idea of matching roles, why not keep Sandroba around? I mean as you say Sandroba's flip implicates Chez with his own logic so why even suggest it? I fail to see the motive here. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 24 2012 11:21 HiroPro wrote: Right now I'm still at "odd." That doesn't answer your question, but I can give thoughts.austin, you think slOosh's claim is real? (1) In his original post, Sloosh claims On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. Supersoft comes in, claims the shot as well. It's... 12 hours before Sloosh returns to post On July 23 2012 01:51 slOosh wrote: The oddness of the 1.5 cycles as a condition for shooting has been discussed. But the time delay on the claim hasn't. It's just weird. Why claim delayed vig as scum, then come back after 12 hours and claim a really odd delay restriction? You can even speculate on multiple levels--does the delay show townie filling in missing information, or does it show scum receiving a message about how to fakeclaim the shot? If a boss wasn't sending messages right at the start of the cycle, but waiting for the flip to write a message, then the delay could have a scummy explanation, boss writes the message, gets it to sloosh, who then claims that specific role.Quick post before I can properly play at night: I can only shoot when no mafia have died for 1.5 cycles, so basically I can only start shooting night 2. Didn't bother clarifying beyond "delayed" because it's 1 shot and it went off, apologies if I worded it ambiguously. I explained my shot because it was the natural thing to do? (2) On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: At this point, foolishness had flipped, so mafia KNEW that there was a traitorous employee. However, BH had also been killed, so it's not like mafia was trying to draw out the traitor in order for for BH to pop him (BH's role PM doesn't indicate whether his kill is night-only, as far as I read it). So either this is town wanting that guy to claim and let us know what messages he received, or this is scum finding out one of his buddies is a traitor, and can't help but add thoughts on that because it's a topic of serious concern.Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I don't know why he does what he does, that's a byproduct of his playstyle which you're defending. My point is that he did put that idea in my head, he did back off it when Sandroba flipped, he did support the Sand lynch but he did not push the wagon. These are all facts, in the thread. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 24 2012 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting...you are trying to argue that because there's no upside that it means he didn't do the thing. Am I reading that wrong? Because he doesn't have a readily available motive, that he didn't do it? Because I can assure you he did. I don't know why he does what he does, that's a byproduct of his playstyle which you're defending. My point is that he did put that idea in my head, he did back off it when Sandroba flipped, he did support the Sand lynch but he did not push the wagon. These are all facts, in the thread. I never said he didn't do anything. I said I fail to see the mafia motive behind them. Like I said earlier, he knew my role name which could have caused my misslynch (speculation but it is a bad name). Instead he chose to work out what my role does and then keep a secret, in a way that benefited me and ultimately town. Why would Chez do this as mafia and not as town? The same goes for his crazy shit with you, if you don't know why Chez does stuff then you don't know why he would do it as scum or as town. Maybe you need to explain it from the beginning with a clear through line explaining how his actions benefit mafia. I am defending Chez because of his actions towards me and his reads. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Tell me EXACTLY what happened when he "figured out your role name". Tell me how you know he "knew" your role name, and tell me why you think that it could have caused your mislynch. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 24 2012 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe you can help me out here then Prob: Tell me EXACTLY what happened when he "figured out your role name". Tell me how you know he "knew" your role name, and tell me why you think that it could have caused your mislynch. I am the Promotions Manager Note, I have a management role name. I clearly have a role and that role involves giving other people roles. Sound scummy to you? One aspect of my role is to give the lynch to one person overnight, that was you. Here is the exchange between Chez and I. He randomly started suggesting I was a senior level mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 11:34 Chezinu wrote: I have a Problem with Prob Probably cause he is an executive mafia... On July 20 2012 11:45 Chezinu wrote: Shh, be quite... Prob is going through a tough time right now.. He tried laughing it off.. but deep down, he is r scared! On July 20 2012 11:47 Chezinu wrote: I was trying to imply that you are the chairman of the board? Was that what I was doing? On July 20 2012 11:56 Chezinu wrote: Are you scared prob? you know.. that I know your secret? Are you going to answer me?   On July 20 2012 11:58 Chezinu wrote: Who do you work for? you Probably don't know...if you get what i mean.. muahahha Which is an obvious crumb regarding my title. Note the bolded. On July 20 2012 12:01 Chezinu wrote: ya know, mini mafia 2 was a pretty fun game.. but this is taking it to a whole new level! In this game he was a detective. I assumed that he had worked out I had a management title starting with Pro through some detective ability. On July 20 2012 12:16 Probulous wrote: OK I just skimmed that game and you were a detective. If you are implying that you are the same this game (you have of course claimed as such) with a check on me, then something is seriously whack. Chez, I know this isn't your style but can you be a little less obtuse? If you have a check on me than that is information we need to sort out. I think he has a list of rolename and can check one person during the day to see what name they have. Once I understood this I tried to explain it to him. On July 20 2012 12:25 Probulous wrote: Okay I get it. Your interpretation is wrong, but I think I understand your role now. You're going through the motions aren't you? On July 20 2012 13:40 Chezinu wrote: I'm glad you understand. Your a sturdy player. Sorry for the delayed response, the power went out and just came back on. he then digs further with this On July 20 2012 14:47 Probulous wrote: Not quite. Promotion seems a long way off and I haven't received the call. I wish I had minions, I'd make them crown me king and carry me through the office on their shoulders. But right now I am just a regular worker bee, carrying others around. His response to rastaban was that when he suggests people are mafia through questions he doesn't actually think they are mafia. My response is a clear explanation of part of my role that involves Kingmaking. I even mention the word king. What does Chez do? Now can you see why I trust him almost completely. He knew my role before I could use it. If he was scum he could out me and push for my lynch, or he could out my role and get me shot. He doesn't bring it up at all. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 24 2012 12:34 Probulous wrote: I am the Promotions Manager Note, I have a management role name. I clearly have a role and that role involves giving other people roles. Sound scummy to you? One aspect of my role is to give the lynch to one person overnight, that was you. Here is the exchange between Chez and I. He randomly started suggesting I was a senior level mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 11:34 Chezinu wrote: I have a Problem with Prob Probably cause he is an executive mafia... On July 20 2012 11:45 Chezinu wrote: Shh, be quite... Prob is going through a tough time right now.. He tried laughing it off.. but deep down, he is r scared! On July 20 2012 11:47 Chezinu wrote: I was trying to imply that you are the chairman of the board? Was that what I was doing? On July 20 2012 11:56 Chezinu wrote: Are you scared prob? you know.. that I know your secret? Are you going to answer me? Which is an obvious crumb regarding my title. Note the bolded. In this game he was a detective. I assumed that he had worked out I had a management title starting with Pro through some detective ability. I think he has a list of rolename and can check one person during the day to see what name they have. Once I understood this I tried to explain it to him. he then digs further with this His response to rastaban was that when he suggests people are mafia through questions he doesn't actually think they are mafia. My response is a clear explanation of part of my role that involves Kingmaking. I even mention the word king. What does Chez do? Now can you see why I trust him almost completely. He knew my role before I could use it. If he was scum he could out me and push for my lynch, or he could out my role and get me shot. He doesn't bring it up at all. give the lynch to someone, what does that mean? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 24 2012 14:05 Probulous wrote: VE was handed the power to instantly lynch someone (he chose BH). I gave him that power because I could not use it myself and he was my biggest town read. oh... so BH didn't kill The Fool after failing to kill him and then ending up stabbing him with that coffee mug.. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
Geez I've been leaving word out a lot this game or replacing words with other words. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 24 2012 14:08 Chezinu wrote: oh... so BH didn't kill The Fool after failing to kill him and then ending up stabbing him with that coffee mug.. You serious  The giant picture of a crown didn't give it away. I mean I said quite clearly that VE was going to get some silverware and then he types ##lynch BH and suddenly BH dies but you don't connect the two? For someone who expects us to work out your clues you don't spend much time working out ours. Hmm this suggests you didn't actually know that I could do that. What did you think this meant On July 20 2012 14:47 Probulous wrote: Not quite. Promotion seems a long way off and I haven't received the call. I wish I had minions, I'd make them crown me king and carry me through the office on their shoulders. But right now I am just a regular worker bee, carrying others around. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On July 24 2012 14:18 Probulous wrote: You serious The giant picture of a crown didn't give it away. I mean I said quite clearly that VE was going to get some silverware and then he types ##lynch BH and suddenly BH dies but you don't connect the two? For someone who expects us to work out your clues you don't spend much time working out ours. Hmm this suggests you didn't actually know that I could do that. What did you think this meant I was busy that day and didn't read all of it, missed the lynched command by VE. I read the day post and then the post where BH died back to back. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
lol. I wonder if we just lucked as hell. | ||
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