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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 01:59 GMT
#525
EDBWOP:

If the person about to get lynched claims medic, we lynch another target unless another player counter-claims medic.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 02:36 GMT
#529
On July 08 2012 11:33 Hapahauli wrote:
I think its safe to say we've reached a consensus on DT and Tracker role-claiming?


Yes, I agree.

The phase 1 was there to prevent power role A from claiming after negative result before power role B claiming who received the positive result. Since I think in above scenario, only B should claim, I thought dividing the day in two phases could have helped. But whatever. I am OK with claiming right away.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 07:27 GMT
#576
Hapha, you forgot about me
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 07:30 GMT
#577
Also, if you got roleblocked, you should claim that also (did someone claim this already? I didn't see it, if so).

The medic can also claim roleblocked. Just don't mention that you are medic. This way we can clear one more townie, since only one person could have been roleblocked. Scum fake claiming roleblocked will be countered.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 07:36 GMT
#579
Actually, there is a small flaw in above argument. Mafia roleblocker could have purposely not target anyone to roleblock, just so that he can claim "roleblocked" to be cleared. But I have some doubt that mafia roleblocker thought of this during the night. So while this doesn't officially clears whoever claims roleblocker, I think it's better than nothing, so the person should still claim.

Unconfirmed town list (includes 4 vanilla towns, 1 miller, 1 medic, 1 scum)
Hapahaulli
Release
Mackin
The_Zen_Man
BassinSpace
LazerMonkey
YourHarry

Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 07:57 GMT
#585
Release don't give up. There is still hope for mafia:

Given one last scum, we just have to get one correct lynch. Number of attempts we have is 4 (since there are 10 people left, on beginning of day 5 we would have 4 people left, which is LYLO, where we will be given the 4th and last attempt to lynch the scum)

THE WORST CASE SCENARIO:

Day2: We have to pick one out of 7. Given the worst scenario, we try to lynch medic, and he claims. We mislynch.
Night2: Scum roleblocks medic, kills detective. Tracker unfortunately tracks miller.

Remaining players = 3 unconfirmed vanilla, 1 confirmed vanilla, 1 miller, 1 tracker, 1 medic, 1 scum

Day3: We lynch miller.
Night3: Scum roleblocks medic, kills tracker.

Remaining players = 3 unconfirmed vanilla, 1 confirmed vanilla, 1 medic, 1 scum

Day4: We mislynch one of unconfirmed vanilla.
Night4: Scum roleblocks medic, kills medic (or unconfirmed vanilla)

Remaining players = 2 unconfirmed vanilla, 1 confirmed vanilla, 1 scum
Day5: We mislynch one of unconfirmed vanilla. We lose.
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 09:50 GMT
#589
Anyways town victory is almost a certainty. Even if we randomized all of our actions, as long as we lynch from unconfirmed list, we should cruise to victory. According to my calculations, something like 3% chance of losing.

Additional strategy. Both detective and tracker should publicize who they will target. They should pick two different players. The medic can randomly protect tracker or detective, but if either detective or tracker makes it known that he will target the medic, do not protect that person (for example, detective plans to target A and tracker plans to target B, and if A turns out to be the medic, medic should protect the tracker who's targeting someone other than medic).

Guidelines on day 3: Tracker and detective should immediately report. The perfect scenario is if any power role receives "innocent" or "no visit". As long as we have one additional confirmed townie, we are guaranteed a 100% victory. If detective is alive and he received "guilty" on player X, we should lynch X regardless. If detective is dead and tracker targeted the player Y who "visited Z", we should kill Y as long as Z got lynched at night. Again, Y cannot be the medic here because nurse should have protected the detective if tracker publicized his plan to target the medic (And yes, tracker is more powerful than detective at this time).

I really want to play through this game, but I feel the responsibility to volunteer to lynch myself. I am a vanilla townie and I do not want to risk having to force the medic to claim. Good job Hapah, if you are town If not, you lose

Good game everyone and good luck!!

##Vote YourHarry
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 09:56 GMT
#590
Also, medic should be more inclined to protect the tracker as long as tracker is not planning to target the medic, for the reason outlined above. If the impossible happens, and unfortunately tracked miller miraculously gets assigned to target the same player the scum targets to night kill, then a vanilla townie on day 3 should volunteer to kill himself so that the medic doesn't have to claim.

Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 10:10 GMT
#592
Obviously I realize that volunteering to be lynched reduces our chance of lynching scum this game, but I think the power of medic not having to claim is more important. As long as tracker targets anyone else but nurse, it should be good. Tracker, there should be a hint a couple of pages back that sort of makes him obv non-medic. I would start with targeting him.

I am a good person to volunteer to die today because I already expressed my thoughts on Day1 that TMG was a medic. D'oh. The scum will not mistaken me for the medic.

And it is very important to prevent medic from claiming, claim leads to killing the medic today and roleblocking the tracker. The power roles will be forever useless from then on.

And no one else should volunteer to take my place, because that will give more hint on who the medic is and is not.
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 10:48 GMT
#600
On July 08 2012 19:14 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 05:52 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Is khorrus going to be replaced by 3styla?


Anyone see the scumslip in the room?


LOL. I like this.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 10:53 GMT
#602
On July 08 2012 19:43 Lazermonkey wrote:
YourHarry, I don't like the lynch into you. Imo we should just lynch into Release/Zen_Man/Mackin at this point. Sure, if one of them is medic, they will just claim. We will clear one more person, which is huge at this stage of the game where there are only . Yes, that means that he will get roleblocked and our DT/tracker will get shot at night but this will still narrow down the field for scum to hide in alot. And this is just the worst case scenario. Speaking pure numbers, we still have 50% chance for our medic not to be among those 3.

Alternativly, we could just no-lynch. This will either force the scum to have either go for DT/tracker while rb medic or go for medic while rb DT/tracker. In either case, we will get AT LEAST one more read. most likely more.


The medic will always be cleared, if not now, later. Medic claiming is so anti-town at this point. Medic will die, and tracker will be role-blocked. And we are OK as long as detective checks someone other than miller. But if he checks miller, there is a decent chance we might lose.

If medic does not claim, we have almost 0% chance of losing. I outlined all the strategies above, including detectives and tracker publicly announcing their planned targets.

Kill me. It's for the best.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 10:56 GMT
#603
Though... The_zen_man asking for khorrous replacement..... makes me want to ignore everything and just lynch him immediately lol.
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 10:59 GMT
#605
Is no lynch a possibility? I would prefer that option, thought I thought voting was mandatory. We can all vote in non-bolded letters so they won't be counted
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 11:22 GMT
#608
OK. I didn't know that. Fail.

##Unvote
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 11:22 GMT
#609
BTW, I was kidding about voting unbolded. Sorry for the bad joke.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 17:17 GMT
#638
Again:

Did anyone get role blocked last night? If so, please claim.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 19:35 GMT
#644
On July 09 2012 02:50 Release wrote:
i wouldn't worry about the RB. Probably as someone (i think Harry) mentioned, the RBer can just do nothing and claim the RB himself.


I did mention this and it is true, but I also mentioned that it is very unlikely that RB did nothing to anticipate this. And if RB did anticipate this and planned to clear himself, he would have claimed "Roleblocked" earlier in the day. Therefore, I think it's very highly likely that we can clear whoever got roleblocked. As long as it is not jinglehell (I also think it's unlikely that RB roleblocked TMG). Anyway, if someone got roleblocked, please say so.
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 19:51 GMT
#648
Hapha, I think Release posted his putative breadcrumb exactly at beginning of Day 2: July 8, 10:00. If he wanted to show his concern that you Hapha could be godfather, he could have outright said: "I think Hapha is mafia godfather." This is because, at that point, it would have been impossible for scums to change their night kill based on Release's reads.

And like you said, vanilla townies don't generally leave bread crumbs, as their reads are based on information available to everyone else. They post their reads; power roles, who don't want to claim, leave breadcrumbs.

But this is a newbie game, so unusual actions are possible. Still, the breadcrumb he left was not something that would have been interpreted as a breadcrumb. I don't think it was reasonable for Release to assume that anyone would recognize this breadcrumb. On the other hand, Release sprinkled enough "resemblance" to typical breadcrumb, that I think he could have engineered this to be used as his defense.

##Vote Release
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 19:53 GMT
#649
##Vote Release
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 08 2012 21:07 GMT
#663
On July 09 2012 05:14 Release wrote:
thank you very much sir.

After the day post before the evul claim. The only way you would know he was confirmed townie is if you were the last scum. GG. Scumslip in open air.

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 05:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Of course I didn't pursue Jingle further - Jingle is a confirmed townie.



Release, can you explain this? Hapahauli posted that minutes before your reply - well into Day 2 and after evul cleared Jingle.
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