So either he's lying, which means he's probably mafia.
Or he's telling the truth, which means he's probably mafia as well.
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YourHarry
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So either he's lying, which means he's probably mafia. Or he's telling the truth, which means he's probably mafia as well. | ||
YourHarry
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##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
YourHarry
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##Unvote When's the deadline? I know I've been switching my votes around but for now I think TMG is the best option ##Vote TMG | ||
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Scums would likely make some level of accusations to at least one other scum. This is called bussing. This tendency may be instinctive, but in fact it is somewhat beneficial (for scums) later in the game in case one of the scum flips. So they can say, see I accused him so I am less likely to be scum. Of course, given that many scums do this, the argument is WIFOM. But I would be surprised to find 3 scum team not accusing or referencing each other on purpose for the first 15 pages of the game. | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:03 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2012 02:59 YourHarry wrote: BTW, in response to what JieXian said: Scums would likely make some level of accusations to at least one other scum. This is called bussing. This tendency may be instinctive, but in fact it is somewhat beneficial (for scums) later in the game in case one of the scum flips. So they can say, see I accused him so I am less likely to be scum. Of course, given that many scums do this, the argument is WIFOM. But I would be surprised to find 3 scum team not accusing or referencing each other on purpose for the first 15 pages of the game. They did so in the first page. So you are saying we made superficial accusations to each other but not actual attempt to bandwagon each other? | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:08 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2012 03:00 Hapahauli wrote: JieXian, I'm just going to focus on the last part of your post because it contains most of your argument. On July 07 2012 02:31 JieXian wrote:- You pounced on everyone who dared laying a finger (of suspicion ^^) your mates. - You came to their defence (with "fire" if I may quote you) as soon as anyone brought them up. - You contradicted yourself by never addressing their posts which fit your criteria for scumminess. The criteria of which is of course, anything at all. - A funnier one, was that somehow I was 2nd on your list after you've been chasing down TMD and hopeless for so long. I was relatively safe, hopeless was about to be lynched and TMD... well he can't possibly a threat to your trio right now. I was thinking damn playing as townie is really hard. After 10 pages, I'm thinking, it can't possibly get any easier than this. ##Vote Lazermonkey Most of your case assumes that Mackin and YourHarry are fellow scum, and that Lazer is scum because of his pattern of defense. Its worth saying that I could change those two names other players and use your logic to incriminate every other active poster in this game. Hell, you could build a case against me if you change your suspected scum list around right. Also, I was the first to draw attention to Mackin and I wasn't attacked by Lazer. Your second point is just wrong. But do you know who attacked me after I brought attention to TMG and Mackin? Hopeless did. Lynch Hopeless1der Lazer's at the top of my townie list atm. He's been incredibly uninhibited, posting all his reads, generating discussion, and calling out less-active players. This is as pro-town as you can get! Hopeless only attacked YOU. Lazer attacked everyone. Try to look at the first case too. Bloody weird of Lazer to stop being "uninhibited" against Harry for that "bandwagon" post given a search for bandwagon on his filter returns 21 results (including people he was quoting) I think one of the misconception is that scums would attack everyone. Where as towns may change their mind and post their changing reads in uninhibited manner, scums are always awry that people will suspect them of acting scummy. In my experience at least, scums tend to pick a target or two and tunnel. Unless definitive consensus builds on their initial target, they stay with the target. In reality, it is super difficult to try to find scums from written texts that can have been modified and edited for perfection before being posted. There is no wavering tone of voice or wandering and intimidated eye contact to base your scum reads on. At least, for me, I change my reads all the time. For example, I was relatively sure Hopeless1 was scum but now I think he's probably town. I am bringing up this point to say that Lazer's attacking everyone does not mean he's scum. Also, despite Hopeless's long defense post made me think he's town, his attacking one person in this game does not necessarily make him obvious townie. | ||
YourHarry
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On July 07 2012 03:27 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2012 03:14 YourHarry wrote: On July 07 2012 03:08 JieXian wrote: On July 07 2012 03:00 Hapahauli wrote: JieXian, I'm just going to focus on the last part of your post because it contains most of your argument. On July 07 2012 02:31 JieXian wrote:- You pounced on everyone who dared laying a finger (of suspicion ^^) your mates. - You came to their defence (with "fire" if I may quote you) as soon as anyone brought them up. - You contradicted yourself by never addressing their posts which fit your criteria for scumminess. The criteria of which is of course, anything at all. - A funnier one, was that somehow I was 2nd on your list after you've been chasing down TMD and hopeless for so long. I was relatively safe, hopeless was about to be lynched and TMD... well he can't possibly a threat to your trio right now. I was thinking damn playing as townie is really hard. After 10 pages, I'm thinking, it can't possibly get any easier than this. ##Vote Lazermonkey Most of your case assumes that Mackin and YourHarry are fellow scum, and that Lazer is scum because of his pattern of defense. Its worth saying that I could change those two names other players and use your logic to incriminate every other active poster in this game. Hell, you could build a case against me if you change your suspected scum list around right. Also, I was the first to draw attention to Mackin and I wasn't attacked by Lazer. Your second point is just wrong. But do you know who attacked me after I brought attention to TMG and Mackin? Hopeless did. Lynch Hopeless1der Lazer's at the top of my townie list atm. He's been incredibly uninhibited, posting all his reads, generating discussion, and calling out less-active players. This is as pro-town as you can get! Hopeless only attacked YOU. Lazer attacked everyone. Try to look at the first case too. Bloody weird of Lazer to stop being "uninhibited" against Harry for that "bandwagon" post given a search for bandwagon on his filter returns 21 results (including people he was quoting) I think one of the misconception is that scums would attack everyone. Where as towns may change their mind and post their changing reads in uninhibited manner, scums are always awry that people will suspect them of acting scummy. In my experience at least, scums tend to pick a target or two and tunnel. Unless definitive consensus builds on their initial target, they stay with the target. In reality, it is super difficult to try to find scums from written texts that can have been modified and edited for perfection before being posted. There is no wavering tone of voice or wandering and intimidated eye contact to base your scum reads on. At least, for me, I change my reads all the time. For example, I was relatively sure Hopeless1 was scum but now I think he's probably town. I am bringing up this point to say that Lazer's attacking everyone does not mean he's scum. Also, despite Hopeless's long defense post made me think he's town, his attacking one person in this game does not necessarily make him obvious townie. You seem like a smarter person and for the most part your post makes sense. Which is why I think you're mafia because you have been tunneling on hopeless and then switched to TMG. Also your stupider partner seems to be super awry of anybody is is suspecting you and Mackin acting scummy. Fictions are easy to write in D1 of mafia. Almost nothing is known. Take any three players in the game, with any combination of presence (or absence) of timely defense or accusations or buddying or bussing, you can write a story. I have been guilty of such story-telling and actually believing it more than once. Here, you may be partially correct Lazer and Mackin could both be mafia. But, I assure you, it's not completely correct ![]() Anyway more importantly, I suggest that we move away from mafia hunting that begins with "Hmm, it would make sense if A, B, and C are mafia together because while A and B briefly referenced each other, for the most part A, B and C are not involved in direct accusations with each other! Also, while A is awry of accusations from others, B is pretending to be townie by changing his reads multiple times." This kind of scum hunting in my experience don't produce good result. | ||
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On July 07 2012 06:11 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2012 06:08 YourHarry wrote: I have a theory that I don't want to talk about at the moment. But I think it's a BAD idea to lynch lazermonkey Well, I have a vote that I don't want to change without a good reason, so we might just have a stalemate if you aren't willing to talk. His very first post regarding how vanilla townies shouldn't claim but there may be instances when blue could fake claim, obviously, vanilla... I thought he was one of the blue roles. | ||
YourHarry
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"how vanillas townies shouldn't fake claim" | ||
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YourHarry
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But I digress. Lazer claiming vanilla townie makes him slightly less scummy than before but much less risky to lynch him. This is because he is either scum or vanilla townie. It is true that as scum he may benefit more by claiming power role so that his scum team can at least find out who the real detective is, upon countering. If no one counters, he will likely be guaranteed to avoid lynch on D1. Thus, Lazer's claiming vanilla is not a typical scum play. At the same time, since everyone knows that it is typically a good play for scum who's about to be lynched to claim power role, scums may try to claim vanilla to try to avoid lynch. So not completely WFIOM, but resembles it. Still, at least we know we won't be lynching a power role. So I am OK with lazer lynch for now, but I will spend the next hour or so to try to find a better candidate, if possible. I think TMG is one, but no one seems willing to join this wagon. | ||
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YourHarry
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On July 07 2012 06:50 JingleHell wrote: How about a little bet, Hapahauli. If Lazer flips Red, we lynch you tomorrow for your (getting ridiculous) defense of him. If he flips town, lynch me. Now... this post... I know I shouldn't do this but why does this post keep forcing into my head following scum alignments!! Lazer, hopeless1 (GF), Jingle......... Like, earlier I did vouch to take responsibility if TMG lynch = mislynch, but I wouldn't have bet my life on it. AH anyway should move on. Don't have much time. Hapahuli I did re-read hopeless1's response, which without your commentary I thought made sense on my first read, felt somewhat engineered. I can't put my finger on it though. I would say that hopeless1der is better lynch than lazer. | ||
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