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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On June 25 2012 13:44 Release wrote: You do realize that i can change my vote right? Shocking... + Show Spoiler + I know... Of course I realize that. Changing your vote later doesn't change the fact that you voted this time for no logical reason however. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Look at the activity pre-##vote and compare that to the activity post-##vote | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
If you're in the middle of a conversation and you have to leave for whatever reason, a "night" of "gtg" is helpful in letting us know that you will not be continuing the conversation. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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roflwaffles55
Canada59 Posts
even if it is just Release flailing his FoS everywhere. :D Figure I'll address a couple of the policy points with my opinions while I'm here. I haven't really seen a good reason to NL early game, so I'd prefer a mislynch to a NL day 1/2. As for Release's strategy, at the moment, it is likely just scaring scum from posting. I'm exhausted, going to sleep now, I'll contribute something more meaningful in the morning. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 25 2012 14:34 Release wrote: So night. I will be less active in the following days (until night 3) for aforementioned reasons. I'm unclear about these 'aforementioned' reasons...oh well. Sleeping now. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 22 2012 10:37 Release wrote: A word of forewarning: I won't be playing/posting as much as i have in previous games because studies got serious. I still have more than an hour a day though. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 25 2012 10:16 Hopeless1der wrote: No more sheriff...well ain't that something special. What in the Sam Hill do we do now? Surely someone knows who else could be behind these treacherous murders. I say we root these varmints out and string em right up in the middle of town, just like that VisceraEyes. Now to do this we're gonna need a couple of...'Rules'. I will say that I am a firm believer in the truth. Anyone caught in a lie deserves to die! Who's with me? I'd assume based on the op that there are blues, or a vigilante at least. I'd want them to lie to protect themselves, so I disagree with that policy Fos: release you got everyone including me to spend time thinking about irrelevant nonsense instead of getting to the point, which in my opinion, is to simple protect blues. | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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Esspen
Croatia29 Posts
But that also means when I say "I am mafia." you should lynch me no matter whether it is true or not, as if I'm telling the truth, you just lynched mafia, and if it is not true you lynched liar. (breaks my heart  )But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable... | ||
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Vivax
22422 Posts
I'll give you my opinion on this policy from my experience as scum the previous game. Mafia doesn't have to lie without very specific reasons like claims. You will be able to find contradictions and mistakes in townie play aswell, I found plenty of them and used them to make cases against townies. But when a weird townie guy claimed DT for no reason and claimed one of ours to be scum, mafia had to counterclaim and openly lie, which bit our team in the arse within a few hours.
What we don't want of policy talk is: People starting to discuss whether it's good or bad in a way that you end up having one page of policy discussion. What we want is: People saying yes/no to certain policies AND BEING SURE OF THEMSELVES, then giving reasons for their attitude. And then we want others not starting to pick on the points the people wrote, but posting their own!That way town will have a quick overview of general consensus about policies, have them out of the way for the following days, and can start scumhunting for real without wasting further time on policy talk. We have to restrict scum's options regarding policies, cases, activity. They have to take responsibility for what they write. What we don't want is: People who start writing cases on others who already are in the center of attention. This is a great opportunity for scum to blend in. This is where bussing happens when the real scum can't escape that center of attention. To find mafiavibes, try to look at posts from a point of view where you have almost all the information. tl;dr: Pro lynch all lurkers, against lynch all liars, not gonna throw around FoS like crazy at the start of the game, townies react to that with quick OMGUS, since they know of their own alignment and feel threatened unjustly (mafia can act the same if they are experienced I guess). Try to post cases on people who aren't in trouble aswell. Don't give mafia that chance to blend in. | ||
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Vivax
22422 Posts
On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote: But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable... Wat  You crazy? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. shit I just noticed that this wasn't what i thought it was. This actually means that we have 2 days to vote right? Release's game plan seems to be: 1) Create escape route. (just in case he got mafia) So night. I will be less active in the following days (until night 3) for aforementioned reasons. 2) Create chaos 3) Claim it leads to more productive posting 4) Hide with aforementioned excuse Vivax and I found that confusing = We must be mafia lolololol | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
Now, I interpreted hopeless1der's post to mean that we should lynch those who are actively lying/trying to mislead town (aside from blues protecting themselves, of course). Release, I do really think you were arguing semantics here. Obviously someone putting effort and logic into building their case, but turns out to be wrong shouldn't be lynched even though that could be technically considered "being caught in a lie". That's all I'm going to say about this argument, which has wasted a lot of discussion time IMO. Esspen, your contributions to the thread so far: On the policy: I believe we should try to identify and lynch mafia first. Simple policy, but with great results Which is the whole point of the game and stating the obvious... I do not get all that "lynch the liar" for several reasons. Townies obviously cannot know whether someone lied or not, only clues they can grasp onto are inconsistencies and vagueness. The only players who know the truth are scums and if the whole game is going to revole around us identifying who lied, mafia is going to win rather easy. Mafia can win just by ereasing their memory that they are mafia and simply playing with a mindset of a townie, leaving townies lyinching each other as they find innocent inconsistencies in their speeches (ie posts). Secondly, even blues have to lie in order to survive. But that also means when I say "I am mafia." you should lynch me no matter whether it is true or not, as if I'm telling the truth, you just lynched mafia, and if it is not true you lynched liar. (breaks my heart ) But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable... And this post. No one is saying we should focus on finding liars. Lies will be just some of the evidence we will use to build up cases against the mafia. And did you just say we should actively find and lynch blue roles? This is some pretty bizarre logic, and you can bet that the rest of the players in this game will be questioning you when they see that post. That had better be some catastrophic typo, or you'd better have a good explanation for that. If you don't, by the next time you post, I will be placing my vote on you for trying to fish for blue roles. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
I don't see how a lie could possibly help town. Town players are supposed to establish their innocence by being open and honest in their posting, lying does not help to achieve this. Special cases apply where blue roles are concerned of course, but we shouldn't be trying to find blue players and forcing them to lie in the first place. Thus, I am inclined to lynch all liars. As for lynching lurkers, things get a bit murky for me. Both lynching and not lynching lurkers hurt town in my first game, so this is something that depends on the situation. I am of the opinion that we should stick to our convictions and vote for who we actually think is mafia, rather than stack our votes on a lurker because of pressure from other players (remember, lurkers are easy targets for mafia to bandwagon). This is where I stand on those 2 policies. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote: I do not get all that "lynch the liar" for several reasons. Townies obviously cannot know whether someone lied or not, only clues they can grasp onto are inconsistencies and vagueness. The only players who know the truth are scums and if the whole game is going to revole around us identifying who lied, mafia is going to win rather easy. Mafia can win just by ereasing their memory that they are mafia and simply playing with a mindset of a townie, leaving townies lyinching each other as they find innocent inconsistencies in their speeches (ie posts). Secondly, even blues have to lie in order to survive. But that also means when I say "I am mafia." you should lynch me no matter whether it is true or not, as if I'm telling the truth, you just lynched mafia, and if it is not true you lynched liar. (breaks my heart )But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable... maybe it's a joke? In both games i played, i managed to lynch the medic, but it doesn't confuse the mafia. It prevent a save... | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 25 2012 22:27 JieXian wrote: shit I just noticed that this wasn't what i thought it was. This actually means that we have 2 days to vote right? Release's game plan seems to be: 1) Create escape route. (just in case he got mafia) 2) Create chaos 3) Claim it leads to more productive posting 4) Hide with aforementioned excuse Vivax and I found that confusing = We must be mafia lolololol Take my "game plan" for what you will. I can't decide how you think. If yourself and vivax found that confusing, doesn't that make him Mafia (as opposed to yourselves)? Townies are trying to avoid confusion while mafia try to cause confusion. If you say his reasoning is the reasoning is your reasoning, that's kind of a catch 22 | ||
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