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On July 10 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
@Matt: don't waste town KP. If you want to kill Fulla I'll attack elsewhere.
W T F dude.
I keep telling you telling people to waste town KP is bad in this spot because we can't afford to waste town KP right now and that your argument to "attack WBG because he's at 16HP. If he's mafia we're good and if he's town it didn't care because he was going to die anyways."
That's exactly what you have been saying the last couple of hours. You told people to waste town-KP for some weird kind of safety that will never end up helping us because we're activly wasting town-KP but that's no problem because according to you we can afford to waste town KP and go after me this turn because that's not hurting.
And now you're telling him to not attack Fulla because that would be wasting town KP and we can't afford that?
WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS GUY TELLING STORIES THAT DON'T END UP MAKING SENSE AT ALL. wtf is going on.
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On July 10 2012 02:54 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
@Matt: don't waste town KP. If you want to kill Fulla I'll attack elsewhere. W T F dude. I keep telling you that telling people to waste town KP is bad in this spot because we can't afford to waste town KP right now and that your argument to "attack WBG because he's at 16HP. If he's mafia we're good and if he's town it didn't care because he was going to die anyways." is bullshit because we can't afford to waste town-KP like that.That's exactly what you have been saying the last couple of hours. You told people to waste town-KP for some weird kind of safety that will never end up helping us because we're activly wasting town-KP but that's no problem because according to you we can afford to waste town KP and go after me this turn because I'm dead anyways. And now you're telling him to not attack Fulla because that would be wasting town KP and we can't afford that? WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS GUY TELLING STORIES THAT DON'T END UP MAKING SENSE AT ALL. wtf is going on.
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screw this. Matt is at 14 now?
Okay fulla deals 10 damage to him with his 10/2. I can send my 2 hovermyrs after Matt and kill him, that'd reduce him to 0 again.
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On July 10 2012 02:58 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 02:54 WereBugs-Go wrote:On July 10 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
@Matt: don't waste town KP. If you want to kill Fulla I'll attack elsewhere. W T F dude. I keep telling you telling people to waste town KP is bad in this spot because we can't afford to waste town KP right now and that your argument to "attack WBG because he's at 16HP. If he's mafia we're good and if he's town it didn't care because he was going to die anyways." That's exactly what you have been saying the last couple of hours. You told people to waste town-KP for some weird kind of safety that will never end up helping us because we're activly wasting town-KP but that's no problem because according to you we can afford to waste town KP and go after me this turn because that's not hurting. And now you're telling him to not attack Fulla because that would be wasting town KP and we can't afford that? WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS GUY TELLING STORIES THAT DON'T END UP MAKING SENSE AT ALL. wtf is going on. I don't think you are dumb so I'm assuming you are scum. I said to deal damage to you because I think that you are scum and if you aren't we won't hurt town. Matt is dealing about a million damage on a guy I already killed. Do you really not see the difference?
On July 10 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
@Matt: don't waste town KP. If you want to kill Fulla I'll attack elsewhere.
How in the world is that NOT a contradiction. Explain this part to me pretty please
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On July 10 2012 03:17 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:On July 10 2012 03:08 Promethelax wrote:On July 10 2012 03:01 WereBugs-Go wrote:On July 10 2012 02:58 Promethelax wrote:On July 10 2012 02:54 WereBugs-Go wrote:On July 10 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
@Matt: don't waste town KP. If you want to kill Fulla I'll attack elsewhere. W T F dude. I keep telling you telling people to waste town KP is bad in this spot because we can't afford to waste town KP right now and that your argument to "attack WBG because he's at 16HP. If he's mafia we're good and if he's town it didn't care because he was going to die anyways." That's exactly what you have been saying the last couple of hours. You told people to waste town-KP for some weird kind of safety that will never end up helping us because we're activly wasting town-KP but that's no problem because according to you we can afford to waste town KP and go after me this turn because that's not hurting. And now you're telling him to not attack Fulla because that would be wasting town KP and we can't afford that? WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS GUY TELLING STORIES THAT DON'T END UP MAKING SENSE AT ALL. wtf is going on. I don't think you are dumb so I'm assuming you are scum. I said to deal damage to you because I think that you are scum and if you aren't we won't hurt town. Matt is dealing about a million damage on a guy I already killed. Do you really not see the difference? On July 10 2012 02:45 Promethelax wrote:
@Matt: don't waste town KP. If you want to kill Fulla I'll attack elsewhere. How in the world is that NOT a contradiction. Explain this part to me pretty please I think you are scum and dealing damage to you is good. If, somehow I am wrong it will not weaken a townie into mafia kill threshold. Matt is doing about 15 damage to a guy who has seven life. Who I did seven damage to. How do you not see the difference? Toad, you are a smart guy, stubborn but smart, since I know that I don't believe that you really believe what you are saying because you can't actually be as dumb as you would have to be to not see the difference in the two situations. There is no difference in the two situations because you assume that it won't hurt if you punch me and I'm town. That is completly wrong. It will hurt if you punch me and I'm town because you wasted town-KP and we can't waste Town-KP. We still have a chance to win this. To win this we might have to squeeze every town-KP out there is, so saying it won't hurt is bullshit because you're refusing to squeeze out that necessary KP when we need to have everyone do so. It would be a different position if you assume that wasting town-KP is not making a difference at this point. If you assume that we will need town-KP no matter what it makes 0 difference because you're doing the same thing. I'm killing Matt and I seriously hope we get as much damage on you as we can get. but I want to punch you because you are probably scum. Matt decided to punch a wall because he wasn't sure it was dead.
If that's the case, why did you add the "well and if WBG really is town it won't matter at all because he's already below the mafia treshhold"-phrase in the first place?
You seem to acknowledge that we can't waste town-KP now. So if I am town your move is retarded, that's the point.
If you want to attack me because you think I am mafia, whatever I don't feel like talking to a wall anymore but don't label it as win/win either way (or at least you labeled it as win/wayne) when in reality it is win/lose. That's trying to be manipulative and I don't see a reason for a townie to say such a thing when he thinks otherwise.
You described the situation completly wrong making it sound like attacking me is a win/win or a win/wayne situation when it really isn't. Why should a townie do such a thing when he realizes himself that it is in fact a win / lose situation.
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On July 10 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 07:03 Mattchew wrote:On July 10 2012 07:02 strongandbig wrote:
wait seriously? If this game ends due to some kind of stupid last-minute switch I'm gonna be so pissed.
Serious flaw in the setup, artanis why did you decide not to extend it in response to attack target switches? lol is it a flaw when people last minute vote switch? wait a minute why does it matter? you're still taking lethal damage and so is fulla?
Matt only takes 10 damage and has 14 HP.
Should be gg right here if I'm not mistaken.
I was really afraid of you saccing something 5 secs prior to the deadline just for the sake of ruining late switches.
If you had done that you guys would have had 15 minutes time to adjust to what we did.
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On July 10 2012 07:06 strongandbig wrote:
Also Mattchew your swap doesn't count, it was too late.
Yeah matt screwed up. But that was just an "un-attack" move in case of someone else going crazy and attacking matt for 4 damage. That way he'd still have stuff to block like fullas 3/1 creature with haste and trample.
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On July 10 2012 07:07 strongandbig wrote:
ohhhh wait mattchew has 14 life now...
artanis that was kind of a big deal...
Actually we could have killed you, fulla and Zealos all together without the change so it would still have been prom vs me, aka 1v1 aka mafia win.
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On July 10 2012 07:10 strongandbig wrote:
fuck this was really stupid. this game should not have ended this way.
I was actually really pissed myself.
I spend 48 hours NONSTOP grinding at the set-up checking out what we could do and finally came to the conclusion that if town gets the 15 minutes extension mafia has an about 0% chance of winning this game, which was just frustrating.
When we heard that changing attacks won't give the 15 minutes extensions we still were in a coinflip scenario depending on wethe or not one of Zealos + s&b would panic. That way we'd still win but it was completly based on town making the wrong call within the 2 hour blocking phase.
The moment artanis realized fulla had one mana to few it was over :p
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On July 10 2012 07:14 strongandbig wrote:
if I'd known that about fulla's mana I would have planned things out differently
Like, it doesn't seem zealos or fulla has even read the thread since that was announced.
yeah and if we had known that we would have planned things out differently as well. We just realized 20 minutes short of the deadline "waitwaitwait a sec. Matt is not dead and we don't need to go all-in on all 3!".
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On July 10 2012 07:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 07:12 strongandbig wrote:On July 10 2012 07:10 marvellosity wrote:
If they post their attacks/unattacks within deadline time, how can you disallow it?? Artanis himself said that he didn't want things in this game to be decided by "race to the bottom" and that he would extend time limits in response to last minute actions. I think he should have extended the time limit. I'm also kind of pissed that he reversed himself, changed the rules of magic and made my deck super useless. A lot of these changes I had to make on the fly, without anyone to consult with but the players and occasionally Acrofales. It's really hard to run a game like this and especially with rules that if you change them can alter the course of the game dramatically, and I realize I've made some mistakes.
It were some hard calls to make. Giving town the 15 minutes extension is a no-go in mafia games and if you had done there would have been no way to win for mafia.
Without it there was no way to win for town at this point.
However, I don't think the win was something that occured because of the rule changes. Just check d1 and d2.
I totally fooled people and town was running in circles. From my point of view this would have been outragious if town had actually won this game. But as mentioned, that's just my point of view because I think we did really good early on while town basicly did nothing (that ended up being right) except for the very last cycle.
In the end I've got to say this was really funny and thanks for hosting although it probably was incredible hard to balance things and you had to make a couple of tough calls.
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On July 10 2012 07:17 gonzaw wrote:Nova, at least we can be relieved that Toad isn't insanely stupid  .....too bad I can't be relieved in S&B being scum >_> (dude......wtf was up with your "cases" against Zealos and Greymist?)
lol yeah I was actually sitting in my room d2 thinking "okay fuck. Now they're going to summon those 8/8 creatures, np for us and I can get them attack the wrong guys easily but there's no way they'll think I'm that retarded after seeing grey flip"
Next day "weeeell, fuck we forgot to send a kill in... guess this goes really badly for us." and out of nowhere this wi-fom thing works perfect although we just honestly forgot to send a kill in LOL and again, after nova flipping "weeell, okay last time they bought the story but there's no way they'll think I'm that retarded after nova flipps, I'm screwed".
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dude strongandbig in case the life-change would not have happend the plan was:
Matt kill fulla + s&b with everything
Toad attack with 2 hovermyrs vs Zealos. He has only 2 fliers (10/2, 0/2).
If he blocks with both Zealos is alive but Matt as well = Mafia win
If he's only blocking with one he is dead together with the mafia beast as is Matt = Mafia win
OR if s&b saccs stuff the other way around, still the same thing.
The only way to win for you guys was to kill both Matt and me today.
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