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On June 30 2012 14:23 Bill Murray wrote: VE's selfvote shenanigans is scummy I do not agree with faking confirmation bias How was that confirmation bias? And how have so many people voted on so little evidence. | ||
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On June 30 2012 16:34 Bill Murray wrote: it's a ploy to get people to feel like he wouldnt do that as scum im not buying it and i see it as being fake and scummy he is seeking confirmation bias Wouldn't that only be confirmation bias if people for some reason wanted to believe he's not scum? Anyways, I feel your vote is rather hasty and so far ill conceived as are all the other votes so far. | ||
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On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote: ##VOTE: BKE I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? | ||
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On July 01 2012 08:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: Bill Murray is an idiot, some vig should shoot him tonight. Not worth a lynch as that would probably wreck the thread and waste discussion space. Do note that mKmKmK has taken his time in responding to the votes he's received. If he were town at the very least he'd call my vote stupid. However he's chosen to lurk the suspicion away which is far more of a scumtell than towntell. In addition notice how he hasn't built up many votes whereas some random noob is racking up votes like a stripper with DDs racks up $2 bills on fight night. There's some major derailing going on and whoever is responsible is scum. You're insinuating that mK is scummy because people aren't voting for him? That's rather ridiculous. Your first 4 posts don't do anything at all other than give a completely unsubstantiated vote. Your latest post says BM should be shot because he's an idiot, not because he's scum. You then spew ridiculous comments on mK based on him lurking while there are others who have lurked more. You then talk about derailing in a very vague manner without bothering to direct it anyone. Your vote is weird and has poor support and your comment about BM is completely at odds with town goals if you don't believe he's scum. | ||
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On July 01 2012 09:24 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'm insinuating that he's scum because he didn't respond to the votes and he went afk. You think a townie would do that? Did you miss that part of my post? Initially my vote wasn't based on much but he failed the reaction test pretty hard. Secondly it is pretty common knowledge that townies jump on other townies day 1. I don't think it's a good idea to carry the BKE bandwagon to fruition as it'll most likely be more of the same as from the past. Why continue a losing trend? Scum who are found d1 are usually found through vague means and then the townies who catch them are killed and the reads are lost forever. Then the remaining sheep continue their witch hunt and lynch more townies. Regardless of how games usually play out it's still silly to not vote for someone just because it's day 1. Time shouldn't be used to overlook scummy play. You've admitted you made a hasty vote then later support it with the fact that mK has been afk. That isn't proof of anything as he might actually be afk. An actual response might be used for indictment but the lack of a response doesn't really prove anything. You justify your vote badly then say you don't want to vote for BKE because it's the first day, not because he seems like town. ##Vote: NoSmurfHere | ||
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On July 01 2012 13:38 s0Lstice wrote: MajuGarzett: your vote is on NoSmurfHere. What do you make of this? Acrofales: Vivax has played one game as scum. Either he learned a hell of a lot from that game, or he is matching his town meta pretty damn close. The latter is a simpler explanation. More, in the game he played scum, he spent a looooot of time in the scum QT, hurting his activity in the thread. So far in this game he has been very quick on the uptake, fearless of the consequences of what he has to say. Seems pretty town to me. Katina: I've done some digging on past games. It's late and it was a lot of reading, but I didn't see anything in your town games that resembles your first post in this game. It's puzzling to me that you lead off your spiel on Broodking with the stated intent that you are sheeping VE. I know you can do better analysis than this because I've seen it. I want to know your other reads. grush57: You were extremely talkative in the game we played together. You had things to say in LV as well. I don't like your silence, it doesn't become you. On refresh I see some stuff about Mandalor. I hesitate to jump on him for the post Adam highlighted. The guy hasn't been playing mafia since the first games on TL, so his ideas on day 1 play and policy lynching are bound to be archaic. I want to see more from him before deciding. I want to kill mKmKmK or Katina today. I'm leaning more towards Katina, but I'd be ok with either. People claim VT all the time, to me it didn't signify much. My decision was based on other stuff. I think people should remove votes from casualman. He's probably going to get shot anyways so people should be voting for others. Especially Broodking. When under so much pressure he chose a rather easy vote on someone who's just being weird. I want to see a better vote from him. | ||
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On July 01 2012 14:01 NoSmurfHere wrote: You say people should be voting for others, particularly Brood, when your own vote is on me. There's a whole bunch of problems with this. First of all, you're telling people to vote Brood and not me, which means you either don't have confidence in my read and your vote shouldn't be on me in the first place or you're scum who doesn't want to vote for brood. Secondly you say that he chose an easy vote on someone who's just being weird. Isn't that EXACTLY what a vote on Brood is? A vote on someone who is being "weird"? Do you read your own posts? I phrased that badly. I meant Brood should vote for someone other than casualman since by voting for casual he really doesn't give any information since casual seems to be messing around. Sorry for the poor wording. Brood has been weird in the sense that he seems scummy. Casualman is weird in the sense that he hasn't done shit. | ||
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On July 03 2012 03:17 Mattchew wrote: I have a question for the thread, drwig is attempting to push my lynch for information and in his mind clear my list when i flip scum like he thinks. If my lynch were to occur, I would flip town and therefore my list would become more validated with him as a prime target as scum, is there any logical reason for a scum who knows this (that im town) to push this idea and put himself into the spotlight for lynching? While trying to lynch Matt may not make sense a lot of the stuff that wiggles said didn't really make sense either. He contradicts himself and wants to lynch someone solely to get info that wouldn't actually be gleaned from Matt's death. It may not make sense for scum to do this but nether does it make sense for town to do this. Assuming he's not a smurf, he really wouldn't have much experience being mafia. Being new to mafia myself when I was scum I just tried to pick someone to force a lynch on. I feel this may have been what happened with wiggles. | ||
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On July 03 2012 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: No, you can't make me Marv. I've fucked TWO games now pushing lynches that were never going to happen, you're not going to talk me into doing it this game. I'd be interested in a NoSmurfHere lynch. I backed off him as I had no support. | ||
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On July 03 2012 22:41 Hyaach wrote: I don't know man, i have a heavy reliance on page 1 and day/night post. I dont keep spreadsheets. Hey Maju. Thoughts on nosmurfhere? Don't really suspect him anymore. I know we're supposed to stop talking about the role pm's but its kinda hard to forget about it. If wiggles said he got a similar pm to smurf its unlikely that smurf was scum who posted that to seem more town like and randomly had another player who actually got a pm just saying role name. I just wanted to respond to this quickly, I still have to catch up a bit. | ||
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On July 04 2012 17:51 casualman wrote: Is kurumi that bad at mafia normally If not then she's scum You calling anyone's play bad is rather odd. | ||
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On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote: I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch. His last previous mention of casual was + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. He says casual isn't worth a day 1 lynch but for some unexplained reason thinks he's worth a day 2 lynch. He attacks NoSmurfHere for starting bandwagons when trying to find scum really shouldn't be suspicious at all. He also claims to have found FT scummy before he ever saw the bandwagon but never bothered to mention FT at all. As town he really shouldn't be afraid to share his reads. ##Vote: Twelve | ||
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On July 05 2012 04:10 Katina wrote: I'm looking over his filter and seeing that he has a decent amount of posts. The contents of his posts seems like they are sincere. He gives his opinions and looks like he is putting effort into scum hunting. For now I would say town until I see something that erks me. You don't find his sudden conclusions suspicious? There's no reason for so much of the stuff he says and his opinions fluctuate wildly. How does that not irk you? | ||
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On July 05 2012 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is it different for twelve MG? ET concurring with the general sentiment of the thread is possible. 12 just goes off and draws his own odd conclusions and says weird stuff that he doesn't seem to really believe. Just for clarification, I don't like ET's go with the flow play either, I just dislike 12's odd choices more. | ||
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On July 05 2012 09:09 Twelve wrote: np ShiaoPI , I had to try, I win if town wins. unfortunatly for town i flip green D: you all should worry a lot less about meta and a lot more about what is in front of you. gl hf Using that methodology I think you'd gain more votes. Meta plays a much larger part in the case on ET than on you. | ||
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On July 05 2012 10:14 Hyaach wrote: what was this shennigan. i was here the whole time and i hane no idea why people were jumping so hard on ey lynch. he was afk thus his meta was off. i read that as a bad reason for ppl to lynch him off. gonna see the list when i get home and do some reviewing. Assuming you're talking about ET why didn't you say anything like this before the lynch? You just sit around and justify yourself after events occur. | ||
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On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. On July 04 2012 03:24 MajuGarzett wrote: Don't really suspect him anymore. I know we're supposed to stop talking about the role pm's but its kinda hard to forget about it. If wiggles said he got a similar pm to smurf its unlikely that smurf was scum who posted that to seem more town like and randomly had another player who actually got a pm just saying role name. I just wanted to respond to this quickly, I still have to catch up a bit. | ||
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On July 06 2012 03:35 Katina wrote: As I just stated in the list above I find him suspicious. He doesn't really do anything. He tried to contribute day one so people wouldn't suspect him. Then he went inactive and once people started to notice he came back and started posting one liners. He seems to try and divert attention off himself. It's not to say his point isn't true but at the same time this is a pretty inactive player who is telling us to stop looking at him. I'm not saying stop looking at me, I just think that if people want to kill me they should give a proper explanation. On July 05 2012 04:43 Vivax wrote: Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia. I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view. There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads. Vivax, you list these reasons why 12 is town but why wouldn't a scum want to draw suspicion to townies and to try to divide the vote to inhibit progress? | ||
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On July 06 2012 07:03 Vivax wrote: Fixed. There's a reason I'm keeping the townreads to myself still, you should have posted this list right before the daypost. You don't think it's a bad idea to post it now? . Mafia would know who's town anyways. VE's list isn't going to magically make people town or scum. This seems like bad justification to hide reads. | ||
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On July 06 2012 12:30 Hyaach wrote: ok i checked first page n we dont have a rb scumslip on mypart I find it odd to call this a scumslip. Possible reverse psychology? | ||
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On July 07 2012 10:32 Twelve wrote: Alright I've read through Hyaach and Katina's filters and I don't see why you are trusting Hyaach over Katina. I had a strong town read on Katina, but after rereading, I realised it was because she defends me from lynches, but its always from one townie to another, so maybe she was exploiting knowing my alliance and trying to trick me into being an ally? Any thoughts? I'm feeling a but lost, but am willing to change my vote. Good god Hyaach if you are lieing about BKE....... Why are you questioning people that trust Hyaach over Kat when you've suddenly developed about about Kat? On July 07 2012 11:08 Katina wrote: I don't know if I was framed or if Hyaach is lying. I have been looking over the facts this whole game. His motivation would be to go for someone in the spot light. With you on my back this whole game you gave him a nice target. As I have said numerous times I think BKE is Mafia and I'm not sure what to make of Hyaach anymore. Twelve I have a town read on. First reaction I had when I saw that red check was he had to be lying because I'm town. Then I read to see what roles could be in the game and noticed the Mafia could have a framer but since I think BKE is Mafia and apparently had a green check then it makes it hard for me to figure out which option it could be. If I had a town read on BKE this game then I would be more inclined to believe Hyaach's claim and conclude that I was framed. Again as I said Mafia don't play by one particular style that would make the games too easy. It depends on the Mafia team as well some could have jubjubs who do odd things while others have experienced players who do odd things. I'm not slinging mud and trying to make it go away. I'm trying to defend myself from being mislynched this game. I'm not the target you should be trying to get lynched. On July 07 2012 10:12 Katina wrote: That's stupid. Hyaach is lying. On July 07 2012 10:29 Katina wrote: I just got back to the computer. It's still a weekday. I had to have been framed. That's the only logical way I could have turned up a red check. Especially as mentioned I have been in the spotlight and there would be a high possibility I would be checked. So who else would be a perfect target to frame? I find it more likely that Hyaach is lying. Kat, the latter two quotes both express definite statements that contradict the first quote in which you say you don't know if you were framed or if Hyaach was lying. In the last quote you say both that framing is the only explanation and " I find it more likely that Hyaach is lying" I don't trust you. I was still going to vote 12 but because of the check and Kat's contradictions ##Vote: Katina | ||
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On July 07 2012 13:12 Katina wrote: First impression I thought he was lying. As I have said I had a scumread on BKE and was suspicous of Hyaach. Then after going back over Hyaach's filter I can see how his DT claim could be legit. So it would make sense that I was framed. Did reading Hyaach's filter absolve BKE in your eyes? If yes, how? and if no, how can you think that Hyaach is the real DT since it's impossible for mafia to be made to look like town. Essentially if Hyaach's filter didn't change your opinion of BKE then your idea that you were framed makes no sense unless your new found support for Hyaach manages to supersede your constant suspicion of BKE which was so strong that you voted for him twice. I find it rather unlikely that you somehow had such a great shift in perspective. | ||
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On July 07 2012 13:46 Katina wrote: I didn't believed what Hyaach was saying about BKE until he claimed today then after reading over Hyaach's filter has caused me to greatly reconsider BKE. What Hyaach says in BKE's defense matches with a green DT check. If Hyaach is a DT then that means that BKE has to be town and I was framed. Yes my read was strong but again that was before today. It caused this great shift because I turned up a red check when I'm town and it made me look at Hyaach and BKE with this information. After looking it over it doesn't seem likely that they are both Mafia. If Hyaach was lying then I would imagine that the real DT would come forward or at least someone would start pushing heavly for Hyaach. So unless that happens then that only leaves the legit DT and me begin framed. Looking at posting times, Hyaach barely says anything in BKE's defence between the time he got a check back and the time he claimed. in fact all he does is ask BKE for his reads and say "BKE is town". Explain what matches to you please. | ||
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On July 07 2012 14:05 Katina wrote: @ VE: I was suspicious of them before Hyaach made his DT claim. After he claimed it caused me to go and take another look with the new information of a DT claim. @Maju: He hints at his check without revealing too much information or claim what his check turned up on BKE. If he would have claimed then the Mafia would have for sure killed him. A lot of people were going for BKE so it makes sense to check the person that everyone is going after. Such as BKE and me. The line "BKE is town" was to you so moving? I want to emphasize to town how odd such an event is. I find your logic extremely flawed Kat. | ||
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On July 07 2012 14:19 Katina wrote: I don't know why you are under the impression that a DT has to make their checks in the thread filled with fireworks and sprinklers. That wasn't the only post that Hyaach has made implying that he had a DT check. It was literally the only time he protected BKE between the check and the role claim and you said "What Hyaach says in BKE's defense matches with a green DT check". Anything else is extraneous to that sentiment. | ||
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On July 08 2012 08:21 BroodKingEXE wrote: My bad, I didn't realize the time changed. Am I modkilled? I don't think so, it said you have 2 hours. | ||
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On July 09 2012 05:29 Twelve wrote: Well I really dont want to vote you anymore since Hyaach seems to be telling the truth. Someone else for sure, I just havent really decided yet. Why did you say this and then never switch your vote? Also, if you believed Hyaach why didn't you just immediately vote for Katina. I've suspected 12 for a long time so ##Vote: Twleve | ||
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On July 12 2012 03:58 ghost_403 wrote: Fun fact: Majugarzett autorolls scum. We should lynch him based on that fact alone. For reference, see Bastard Mafia 2 and TLM LV. I've looked back at those posts that I thought were pro-town, and I can't really find them. Maju's been playing scummy all game, and I don't think that's because he's a lazy townie. He seems to post posts that are mildly insightful, and then just kind of drop them. His earlier posting was not terribad, later posting is Interestingly, none of the better lynched townies said anything substantial of Maju. There are almost no references to him in the filters of NSH, austinmcc, marv, or even s0lstice. Almost nothing. This guy has been lurking like a boss all game long. I vote we rip him out of the shadows and see what's going on. How can you possibly think my posts have had less content than Grush's? Also maybe no one mentioned me because they didn't find me scummy. The players mentioned are all town so how is them not mentioning me relevant to any case about me being scum? You seem to have no reasoning behind thinking I'm scum and not an inactive townie. | ||
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On July 13 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: MajuGarzett I mentioned him earlier, but he's kinda felt a little townie in his posting. A little bit...way more so than previous lynches anyway, so he fell off my radar. But reading his filter BROUGHT IT ALL BACK BABY! + Show Spoiler [Previous posts on the matter] + On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. I've taken the liberty of highlighting something I missed before, which is what I perceive to be a scumslip. It seems to me that if he were town trying to discern 12's alignment he would say something like "If he's town" or "Assuming he's town"…but he says "As town" as if he knows he's town. Minor, but it's also in a spoiler. On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter The Good Guys VisceraEyes ghost403 Kurumi austinmcc NoSmurfHere Acrofales Mattchew These are the people that I read as town. The Bad Guys MajuGarzett Vivax casualman ShiaoPi These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read. The Players Katina grush57 Twelve Hyaach BroodKingEXE Mandalor These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read. I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation. This is a pretty hardish defense of BM, which I missed before. Also this post feels awfully defensive to NSH's sentiment when he said it himself - NSH didn't really direct the post at anyone, just made an observation. So why is he taking issue with this post exactly? Between this post: And this post, ...there's literally nothing. Not one mention of NSH, no struggling to figure out his alignment…he just goes from wanting to lynch the guy to "Don't really suspect him anymore". Why? Oh, role-PMs…got it…the things that scum get fake-claims about. Right. No. This is ridiculous, and after this he switches gears to DEFENDING NSH? All because NSH said he got a similar ROLE PM to someone else? This is a classic case of scum trying to justify having more information than they should. His read of NSH changes based on nothing - but he wants to look good defending someone everyone else thinks is town, so he fabricates something based on BS to justify his read. MajuGarzett is scum. He defended BM. He hard-flipped on NSH to the point of chainsaw defending him against Twelve. It's time he dies. I wouldn't say that the bold quote is a defense of BM. It was more of a comment on NSH's logic. At that time I suspected NSH so commenting on his play made perfect sense. I guess I really can't say anything about the flip on NSH. My logic has been given and the logic made sense to me. You say that scum could have faked the role pm but what would be the point of giving scum fake role pm's when the VT positions are listed in the OP? The only way that would make sense was if scum were given a certain position such as juggler (which I am by the way) which would be given to no one else in the game. Also, if I was scum, why wouldn't I have initially tried to kill someone who other people suspected as well instead of suspecting NSH then changing my views? I don't see how my actions in general have been that scummy. I first voted for NSH, which as I have said was someone who scum would be unlikely to target for a lynch. I was against the vote of ET, a townie, and for the vote of Katina, the scum RB. I am still for lynching grush. After that I would lynch casual as by this point I suspect his trolling was just a way of keeping a null read and therefore not garnering votes. After that I'm not sure though I am suspicious of VE for his hesitance to vote for Katina. I felt that his qualms about the truth of Hyaach's roleclaim were fairly unfounded. | ||
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote: Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch. The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game. I defended myself a lot more than grush did. All he did was post song lyrics. And how exactly did Acro and Kurumi voting for grush make grush look less suspicious? No one really suspected either of them. | ||
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On July 16 2012 05:44 layabout wrote: So what? It may say "please be civil" but games in which people stick to that are a very rare thing. It also says "play to win" but that still gets ignored by a substantial number of players. You'll notice no one else told anyone to suck a dick though. | ||
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