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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Some thoughts after I caught up,
@hyaach:
BKE also asked you, and you did respond with that quote of "you have to ask to get a case". Guess you don't like him either.
Reading through your recent posts I want to thank you for (finally) contributing thoughts which make sense and generally stepping up your activity. You are off my suspectlist for now.
##unvote
@Katina:
I do not like wasting a lynch on a troll. Better to shoot him or blow him up. Good to see you unlurking and contributing. I'll probably reread mandalor now.
@Twelve:
Same reasoning about casualman as with Katina, Is he your strongest scumread right now?
Regarding ET, I did not play any games with him so I don't know about his meta, but it is unsettling that he vanished after being one of the more active persons beforehand. Can somebody link me some games of him?
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On July 05 2012 00:08 Twelve wrote:
I agree with Kitana and the causualman lynch.
##vote: casualman
YES LETS SHEEP A USELESS PLAYER THAT WILL GIVE US TOWNIES NO INFO AND WASTE A WHOLE CYCLE.
U CRAY CRAY.
oR
MAYBE YOUR SCUM. HMM HMMHMHMHMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMH
All you have to think, and scum will fall!
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Twelve
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On July 05 2012 00:16 Hyaach wrote:
I'm fine with a twelve lynch.
I'll wait for ET to respond before deciding on his lynch.
Have you ever seen a cat's eyes in the dark, and wonder what they were?
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Went a bit through ET's filter cause I actually didn't make own reads on him so far.
I find this kinda weird:
On July 02 2012 08:36 EchelonTee wrote:
Grush also looks ballz bad
I'm sticking with an mk lynch. If he flips town, fox is on deathbed.
Godspeed town.
On July 02 2012 08:43 EchelonTee wrote:
Alright screw it all
Mk hasn't voted, not playing at all. In my exp, a scum team wouldve been like omfgbbq Vote ffs
Ft has done a vote and looks bad by same standards. Reminds me of cccalf from soaf, gambit from tl lv
Manmode super balls switch engage
Switch to ft nowwwwwww
On July 02 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote:
Switch to ft now. You wanted mk dead and not bke? Vote ft. your vote on a random goon? Vote ft.
I don't like how he tries to steer bandwagons without posting own reads.
He was also the one opposing drwiggl3s, and drwiggl3s has been shot by the mafia. Can't argue properly here cause this is WIFOM, hell knows what mafia used the nightkill for, but I think drwiggl3s filter deserves a look.
So much for ET.
Lol grush.
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Spain17989 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:53 Vivax wrote:You can skip the whole thing if it mindfucks you. I'll break it down to my intentions based on that reasoning:
##Vote for people
I downright disagree on your policy, but the list you come up with corresponds to mine. I don't like a grush lynch, but it's mainly meta (he's playing the same as in space station where I blew him up and he flipped town). Other people have referenced LV and I agree that there he played far more actively. No clue how to read him and it seems like a coinflip. I have him with kurumi, casualman, majuju and adam: I'd bet my life that there's scum in that list, but fucked if I know how many or which ones. If there's still a vig with bullets he should be shooting into this list, though. DT should also be checking these, because I have given up trying to get a read from their posts.
I actually find your whole logic on the policy completely topsy turvy and it also doesn't agree with your conclusions.
Twelve, Katina and ET all have filters that are readable. They can be analyzed. We can analyze the cases made against them too. That gives us information to work with to unravel the rest of the team. Eventually we'll have to deal with the lurker team, but with, hopefully, some aid from vigis and DTs we won't have to lynch all six of them (we don't have time anyway).
Now onto scumhunting: ET and Katina are the only two who have changed since last we chatted. Katina is here and posting. She seems unconcerned about getting lynched, which is more townie than scum. Then again, I was just told in SSB that reactions are the easiest thing to fake for scum. Still on the fence.
ET has steadily been rising. The more I read his filter the more I see reasons for scum to post the way he does and the less it appears to be townie. His utter lack of defense against the cases raised against him, and his failure to do any scumhunting today despite the promise are making him look scummier every time I look at it.
But Twelve is a better lynch, imho. There are just too many contradictions and coincidences in his filter.
#ITEM No. 1
On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch.
I'm not feeling the casualman lynch as a scum lynch. I hate associative cases before we flip someone, but with Katina and Twelve both pushing casualman it just feels like the easy townie that is being thrown in front of the truck by the scumteam. I also don't buy his "most likely scum lynch": it's a coinflip. No. The most likely scumflip is Twelve.
#ITEM No. 2
On July 04 2012 10:13 Twelve wrote:@Acrofales + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light  (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness. The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else. Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions.
I had quoted Mattchew's case mainly for its second point, which was the HORRID reasoning around his BKE vote. The first point seemed adequately explained by s0lstice as Mattchew failing reading comprehension, but the reasoning around Twelve's vote was terrible and Mattchew called him out on it. However, that doesn't really matter. The problem is with the bolded part in the reply. This reads to me like a scum who had dodged a bullet. Unfortunately for Twelve, Mafia doesn't work like that and now Mattchew's read is gaining traction. He panicked and tried to wave it off. Yes, the first part of the case was crap, but the second point was valid, and still is. Dismissing half the post as bullshit doesn't make the other half bullshit too.
ITEM No. 3
His night behaviour. How the hell do you go from "he's scum" to "he's the godfather" without some kind of prior knowledge. I don't get it and no matter how many times Twelve tells me it was a "noobie mistake" I still won't get it.
In closing, Twelve is scum and should die for his sins.
##vote Twelve
for reinforcement, my vote is already in the right spot
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Well Twelve my question hasn't been answered directly, and you haven't disproved my casual is TL troll theory so...
##Unvote
##Vote: Twelve
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I find the gap in him posting his Foxtrotter vote and him expalining his Foxtrotter vote... disconcerting. If missing the deadline really was his main concern there, why wouldn't you immediately post after the flip "Well, shit. I know him IRL, and he posted scummy so I voted for him, lol, my bad"? Instead, he waits for people to make a big deal about it. His actions there were of the "too scummy to be scum" variety, but maybe he's just bad scum?
That and all the stuff Acro said.
##vote twelve
I want to hear why he thinks we should be lynching casualman. His filter doesn't really give a good reason for it.
I want to hear Katina's thoughts on Twelve.
Also, where's Majujuju been? He dropped in, voted 12 and has been gone ever since.
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Mayonnaise is not our problem any more. At least, for me. I just need to verify the passcode.
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I'm phoneposting. Twelve seems like fine lynch. ET preferable but I like case on 12 so...
I've been reading filters and will post thoughts soon. I will say that after going back over NSH I see that not much of what he's done makes sense as scum so I'm operatingunder the assumption that he's town...but I disagree with his Katina read. I want more thoughts from Matt, grush and Adam.
Leaving vote on ET unless shenannies force me onto 12.
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On July 05 2012 03:29 ghost_403 wrote:
I find the gap in him posting his Foxtrotter vote and him expalining his Foxtrotter vote... disconcerting. If missing the deadline really was his main concern there, why wouldn't you immediately post after the flip "Well, shit. I know him IRL, and he posted scummy so I voted for him, lol, my bad"? Instead, he waits for people to make a big deal about it. His actions there were of the "too scummy to be scum" variety, but maybe he's just bad scum?
That and all the stuff Acro said.
##vote twelve
I want to hear why he thinks we should be lynching casualman. His filter doesn't really give a good reason for it.
I want to hear Katina's thoughts on Twelve.
Also, where's Majujuju been? He dropped in, voted 12 and has been gone ever since.
I don't think that Twelve is Mafia. From what I have seem from his filter he explains himself and his actions. He has been concise in explaining his actions. One thing I don't like though is he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of analysis.
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What do you think of Vivax Katina?
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Waste of a lynch guys. Focus on people who are pushing for me. Or enjoy the 6 mafia kps tonight.
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I'm looking over his filter and seeing that he has a decent amount of posts. The contents of his posts seems like they are sincere. He gives his opinions and looks like he is putting effort into scum hunting. For now I would say town until I see something that erks me.
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On July 05 2012 04:10 Katina wrote:
I'm looking over his filter and seeing that he has a decent amount of posts. The contents of his posts seems like they are sincere. He gives his opinions and looks like he is putting effort into scum hunting. For now I would say town until I see something that erks me.
You don't find his sudden conclusions suspicious? There's no reason for so much of the stuff he says and his opinions fluctuate wildly. How does that not irk you?
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On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote:
Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up.
This is the only thing giving me doubts so far. You were suspecting two people of which 1 is probably townie, and the other flipped green after getting killed by mafia. Not the safest targets for a scumplayer.
And then:
You claimed rastaban to be scum, but then he gets shot by mafia? Either scumteam made a mistake here/didn't care, or twelve is town.
I'm actually not that sure about my vote anymore. What do? Katina, ET or Shiao?
Or do you think Twelve looks still bad in light of this post? We still have some time to change things.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Twelve who is your topscumread? Really casualman?
oh and Mandalor, why ninjavote?
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Spain17989 Posts
Just got confirmation from Wiggles that I can stay in the game. Just a heads up to the thread: I will be gone from Friday afternoon/evening until Sunday late at night. This, of course, is devastating news to all you guys, but I won't care because I'll be getting drunk and watching bulls slaughter tourists who think they can outrun them in Pamplona.
I'll make sure my vote is on scum on Friday when I leave and pray I live through the night, so I can join you again on Monday and win this game for town!
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Acro, consider a vote switch to ET?
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Spain17989 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:36 Vivax wrote:
Acro, consider a vote switch to ET?
Tell me why and I might.
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Spain17989 Posts
Actually no. I already thought about it. I feel good on Twelve.
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