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Alright so I'm pretty pissed we didn't get that perfect victory. I really shouldn't still be awake, but I'm in angry analysis mode. + Show Spoiler +Also Xatalos wtf are you doing in here?! Hi btw ;D
Nothing has changed with the people I'm reading town. Let's go back to the list:
-suki
-golden
-unforgiven
-crossfire99
The scum has to be in there. I cleared crossfire before, but I'm putting him back in for the moment so I'm not leaving any stone unturned.
O.Golden.ne: Our first flipped scum spent all of day 1 trying to get him lynched. This would be an extremely ballsy bus move, and it's like pie in the sky unlikely. Must be town
Unforgiven: Both our flipped scum tried to get Mouldy Jeb lynched on day 1. HeavOnEarth had him as a top scum read, and roflewaffles said 'hey if we can't get a majority let's totally lynch Mouldy Jeb!' So for the same reasons: must be town
Crossfire99: I cleared him before because he was the first person to call out roflewaffles following HeavOnEarth's flip. I went back to NMM XIII and looked hard at his play again. I saw in there that he bussed his teammate Mufaa, and up until that point it was the most solid analysis/pressure put on the guy. I wouldn't consider it above a scum Crossfire to bus waffles in the way he did. Still, the simplest explanation here is that they are not teammates.
Look at roflewaffles day 1 play. He saw his teammate was about to be lynched...what was he doing to try and stop it? Pushing Crossfire. This is similar to what heist did in NMM XV. Scum heist tunneled hard on a player to try to create a counter movement that would stop his teammate from being lynched. Heist's counter movement target of course was town, just like roflewaffles counter movement target must be town.
Suki: this leaves you my dear. All the arrows point in your direction. You've fought valiantly, but I want to kill you know.
I want to know how everyone feels about killing Suki on day 3.
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The thought ran through my head that if suki actually flipped town, I might want to lynch milton next. That was just a passing thought though. I'm on my phone right now, so I'll just post stuff that I got in short term memory.
His joke vote on you would be a weird thing for scum to do. A needless risk for early game. I don't remember the exact chronology but I think he was pretty early to push heavonearth. I'll look through his filter in depth tomorrow, but I've been getting a pretty good town vibe from him.
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Also sciberbia,
The NK of austin wouldn't make much sense for a scum milton. Austin did not suspect him, and if Milton was scum he would have killed off the strongest town read he could find.
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in regards to the NK of austin for a scum suki...it's not crazy to think that she would not want to kill someone accusing her, as that person's cases would then carry more weight
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Suki, you are saying then that HeavOnEarth, confirmed scum, began bussing his teammate in his very first post, and spent his entire time in this game trying to get his teammate lynched.
Please explain this.
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Your death is absolutely the best thing for town right now. If you are green as you claim, then there was some really funky twighlight zone bussing going on. Because that is so unlikely, we can't even consider it until we see your flip. If it's green, then we will be pretty much certain that we are in bizarro bus world.
Frankly though I think you are lying through your teeth 
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Just something to consider...
If Milton is scum, the second bus was easy as hell. By the time he chimed in, rofl's death was essentially a foregone conclusion.
Then really, the only one he bussed was heavonearth. Bussing one of your teammates when an influential townie is calling for their death is a logical play.
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and on the subject of nightkills, don't forget that scum are trying to find the blues. it's not always kill the strongest player.
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I'm off to bed finally, but I agree with sciberbia that of the bussing scenario's, Milton's really seems the most likely.
Also Milton is going to be very surprised to see all this when he gets back from work. Hi Milton.
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alan133,
On June 18 2012 19:12 alan133 wrote:
Why would a Godfather do that? I am betting my money that if he lead a successful lynch on Golden, he would have gain tremendous amount of trust, and he cops, if they exist, will get a false read by checking him.
This is flawed reasoning. Why would the cop check him if he just gained a tremendous amount of trust?
Bussing happens, even in newbie games. You are right about that. Remember though that it is situational. There is almost no motivation to bus a scum teammate in the way HeavOnEarth did. He did it in his first post(!) and didn't stop until he died. You are telling me that this bussing scenario is more likely than the very typical mafia play of picking a weak townie and trying to lead a mislynch on them? Remember Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is most likely true. This does not mean you should flat out ignore other scenario's, but you go against this axiom at your peril.
You say also that I did not analyze suki in my process of elimination post. I've already analyzed her. It was huge, I posted it on night 1. Since then she has gone after trackd00r. After trackd00r flips, look at this post.
On June 18 2012 12:56 suki wrote:My outlook on the game post-lynch: People will be taking a much closer look at me. It's to be expected, after the case that s0lstice and sciberbia brought up. I feel I pushed a good case on trackd00r and its frustrating that he wasn't able to defend himself adequately. I once again went through all the players in the game. I think I am just going to accept the hard truth that I just blow at analysis. My reasoning for tunnelling someone aggressively is that if there really are other scummy players, they will be picked out by the other townies, meanwhile my analysis will either find scum, or force townies to act more townie, or force mistakes from scum. There are two people who stand out at the moment in my opinion: --- Mouldyjeb/unforgiven:+ Show Spoiler +
Both HeavOnEarth and roflwaffle were on Mouldyjeb's case since Day 1. Highly highly doubt that they would double bus their own teammate that early.
Read: unforgiven very lurky. Possibly town, possibly scum, but can't analyse due to lack of posts. He looks more townie due to mafia double bus early Day 1.
--- golden:despite saying this, he is hardly aggressive. Found Mouldyjeb suspicious. Found austinmcc suspicious but doesn't explain why. Austinmcc pressured golden for 'broken promises to contribute more'. Golden got really really offended at it. Could see an angry golden just shooting austinmcc N1 just to get back at him. Haha. Show nested quote +I only glazed over the HeavonEarth issue when i was catching up on everything. I feel like a nob because i remember he had that attack at me and i never really addressed it. I don't like defensive voting per se but i'll form and post some opinions on him shortly. forgets that heavOnEarth attacked him. Possibly just didn't give his teammate's post much thought. from crossfire's lynch summary post ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15090823 ), note that Golden was 6th to vote for heav0nEarth. Right in the middle of the pack is a good time for a mafia to jump on a bandwagon. Here is alan's case on golden ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15104147 , summary here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15104403 ) It is pretty in depth and I suggest people read it. . Also note that golden gave no reason for jumping on trackd00r. He simply stated he said trackd00r was #1 on his scum list and voted him. ===== In summary: I am town. That's my only defence at this point. If you believe me, then I hope you'll take a really close look at alan's case on golden. If you don't believe me, then I still hope you'll take a really close look at alan's case on golden. Going to bed soon but I'll keep up with the thread and post my thoughts. Just a little too burned out to do any sort of heavy analysis right now.
Read between the lines here. It says 'I am running out of places to hide.' She picks two people who 'stand out' to her, and then concludes that one of them is probably town. The other one is Golden, and when I pressed her on it using the exact same reasoning I just detailed to you, she backed down from that one too.
Also, look at how she has been dealing with Miltonkram. If she was scum, going after him would be extremely risky for her, as it was evident that a lot of us had a pretty good town read on him. She didn't suspect him until after sciberbia and me started entertaining the idea of his death, and then she is all about the idea.
So basically, the stuff that has happened after I posted my case on her does nothing to change my original opinion. Return to Occam's Razor: her being scum, all things considered, is the simplest explanation. I don't say this in lieu of any other reasoning, I say it as very powerful supplementary information.
Now in regards to sciberbia,
On June 18 2012 19:12 alan133 wrote:
I don't know why suddenly everyone is suspecting each other, but this is what the mafia wants exactly.
You are right. Suspecting sciberbia is exactly what the last scum wants you to do. I haven't read the case on him yet as I wanted to address you first, but all I'm going to say is that your primary source of information here is his filter, not Crossfire's case. I've been through the filter a couple of times, and because of this new case I will probably do so again. I'm guessing though that my opinion won't change, because sciberbia has been a scum hunting machine this game. His play has been extremely, extremely green.
One thing I'll point out right now is that his suspicions of suki did not come out of nowhere. He was very clear on his suspicions of her on day 1. Have a look:
On June 14 2012 13:02 sciberbia wrote:I've been studying the thread and I currently find these 3 most suspicious: suki, Crossfire99, and HeavOnEarthI've been staring at suki's filter for the last half hour, so I'll dedicate the rest of this post to my case on suki, and detail my thoughts on crossfire and heavonEarth in another post. Here are several reasons why I am suspicious of suki: Her original accusation of trackd00r + Show Spoiler +
suki's original accusation of trackd00r was quite strong. She says:
-- This post screams to me that he's trying to be super cautious...
-- BUT WAIT! Just ONE post previous to that he says...
-- try to take a firm stance, and then you do the most scummy wishy-washy-ness thing ever the very next post.
-- ##vote trackd00r
She clearly thinks trackd00r has a good chance of being scum, and is interested in making everyone suspicious of him. Keep this in mind for later.
Anyway, this original accusation drew my attention for a couple reasons.
-- First of all, she twists his words, so her case isn't good
-- As austinmcc said, even if trackd00r had contradicted himself, that's not a great scumtell. Mafia don't intentionally promote mafia policies. That's way too obvious. So I think suki is attacking him for a (percieved) confusing stance, not a scumtell.
-- We lynched suki last game for being wishy/washy. I could definitely see a mafia suki making a bit of a stretch just to make an early "bold" case, and try to look townie. trackd00r would make a good target of such a case since he is new and his first couple posts were a bit confusing (difficult to read).
The way that suki backs off trackd00r + Show Spoiler +I wasn't too suspicious based on suki's initial accusation. But I really didn't like the way in which she backed down from it. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2012 00:06 suki wrote:
As has been pointed out, the contradiction isn't as severe as I initially thought it was.
##unvote trackd00r
I thought at the very least I could rouse a response from trackd00r, however my case was too weak and I feel that no useful information can be gleamed from people simply agreeing on its flimsiness.
Before, she thought there was a severe contradiction. Now, she says that there is still a contradiction, but it isn't that severe. What? I was expecting her to say that she had misread/misunderstood. I still don't see any contradiction at all. Her post suggests that she doesn't want to completely back down from her accusation, but I don't see why she is still suspicious of trackd00r at all. @suki please clarify this To me, the most scummy line in her whole filter is "I thought at the very least I could rouse a response from trackd00r". Reading her original response, she strongly accuses trackd00r and seems very interested in getting him lynched. This line about "at the very least" seems contradictory to that motivation. general attitude in her filter + Show Spoiler +
suki was super excited to play this game and was even more excited at the prospect of playing town. Look through her filter. Her posts so far aren't what I would expect from a town suki. After the initial accusation, everything she has said is bland and uninteresting. I don't think she has yet shared any real insight, or shown a lot of interest in helping town. It feels more like she is going through the motions.
how she opens the game + Show Spoiler +
This is pretty circumstancial, so I don't expect many of you to buy into it, but I find the timing of her first two posts odd. First of all, starting the game about 4 hours late is slightly indicative of mafia. Secondly, why does she post a policy response 6 minutes after her first accusation post? She had clearly read the whole thread before posting either. This is all a bit odd to me, and I think it lends credence to the idea that she just wanted to start off boldly to avoid suspicion.
The only thing in her filter that gives me a townie feel is her recent statement about finding golden's opening post suspicious, but waiting to comment on it. Overall, I would rate suki as definitely suspicious, based mostly on her accusation of trackd00r and the way she backed down from it.
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You are absolutely correct, reads will be re-evaluated if suki flips green.
The first thing I did after responding to you was get to work on the case that crossfire wrote. I'm about a quarter of the way through it, and I already see a lot of problems. If it helps, this is the mindset I am keeping while reading through it: read it once with the idea fixed in your head that sciberbia is town and look for town motivations for all actions that crossfire brought up, then do the exact same thing with the idea fixed in your head that sciberbia is scum and look for scum motivation for all the actions brought up. Perhaps you did this already when you read it, but if you didn't, give it a shot.
I'm gonna make a post on it before N2 is over.
No votes have been placed yet. We have many hours yet before day 3 lynch, and plenty of work to do.
Unforgiven_ve
You have been subbed in for awhile now and done almost nothing, and its hurting the town. I know you said you were busy, but if you are town and have any interest in us winning this game, you need to share what your current scumreads are.
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I'm gonna talk about crossfire's case on sciberbia. I'll address the points in order.
-Sciberbia posts a list of suspicious people, but only talks about one of them, in order to gauge reactions on the rest.
+ Show Spoiler +How's this for motivation? It takes time to write shit. He felt the strongest about suki (this is clear in his post) and wanted to get his thoughts out there as fast as possible to be digested. He even states a reason, the case on suki was the freshest in his mind.
-Soft defense of HeavOnEarth at the end of his accusation.
+ Show Spoiler +HeavOnEarth was the third most suspicious suspect on his list. Why is it strange that he provides reasons that counter some of the scummy things he saw? If he is concluding a person is 'somewhat suspicious,' there are naturally things he is going to see as possibly town, but sees them as overridden by the scummy points. Also, just because I used certain posts to paint HeavOnEarth as scummy doesn't mean that someone else can interpret them in a different way. My words are not law.
-Posting a list of people's convictions leading up to the lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +Have a look: On May 21 2012 16:45 sciberbia wrote:
all times EST
indifferent - sciberbia, golden, solstice
not heard from - mufaa, shiaopi
hegeo - can stay on until 6pm
Milton - starts work at 7pm
mordan - starts work at 8pm
release - can't get on until 7pm
Looks to me like 7:30pm EST makes the most sense. Any earlier is nice for hegeo, milton, and mordan, but it would really screw over release. Any later is slightly beneficial to release, but detrimental to hegeo, milton, and mordan.
If the deadline is indeed 7:30, we should just be aware that a couple people might be gone for the last hour or so, and not to wait until the last minute for a roleclaim or anything.
Thoughts on 7:30pm EST? Especially mufaa and shiaopi?
On May 24 2012 07:09 sciberbia wrote:
Hour and a half to the deadline. We really need to decide on a target. I've been accumulating a list of everyone's opinion on whether to lynch shiaopi, milton, or hegeo, and it looks something like this:
sciberbia: milton, hegeo, then shiaopi
golden: milton, hegeo, then shiaopi
shiaopi: milton, then hegeo, not shiaopi
mordanis: hegeo, then milton/shiaopi
release: hegeo, then milton, then shiaopi
solstice: shioapi, hegeo, then milton
milton: shioapi
hegeo: shioapi, then milton
mufaa: ............
Feel free to correct me if I've misrepresented your views.
I propose that shioapi is out of the running. He is primarily accused by the two other lynch candidates, as well as solstice. He is viewed as least scummy of the three by me, golden, mordanis, and release
On the other hand, milton has 3 votes, and release said he would also be quite interested in voting for him. He is about the same as shiaopi in mordanis's eyes.
Hegeo is the primary target of release and mordanis, and is also considered moderately suspicious by all the people we aren't considering lynching.
Can we agree to focus on milton vs hegeo? He makes a very similar list in the pre-game, trying to get everyone on board with a deadline time. Then, in-game, he makes exactly the same type of list you are calling scummy. Guess what color sciberbia was in this game? It rhymes with spleen. It doesn't matter if you think it's helpful or not, it's clear that he thinks it's helpful.
-Sciberbia is active in the night, and posts his case on roflewaffles after Crossfire and Alan post that they think he is suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +It's true being active at night is something scum do, because they have no fear of being killed. Sciberbia has been playing this game to win, he will be active when he has time because he wants to win. There is definite town motivation for this. I've been posting a lot on N2, am I scummy?
For the second part of that, last I checked, town wants to kill scum. Very easy town motivation here. The bussing scenario here is far less likely.
-Sciberbia goes from being ambivalent about a second vigi claim to adamant about a second vigi claim.
+ Show Spoiler +Lots of bad logic here. Crossfire seems to have overall a high opinion of sciberbia as a player. Now, what kind of idiot scum would flat out say, with blue color, hey you blues out there claim! It doesn't fit with the rest of your case, because it's heavy handed. Your other points suggest he is being careful, calculating.
You say he is against vigilante claiming. This is false, plain and simple. He did care, the discussion was about when. Put another way, he wanted the vigi to claim, but he thought it would be better if the claim came later. He had to think about the ramifications of there being two vigilantes, but he flat out says that is is unlikely. Why is it strange then that he calls for a counter claim if one exists? He wants to win, and a counter claim would have basically wrapped the game up. There is one point here that I agree with, and that is it was pretty weird for him, having realized that there may be a second vigilante, asks for that second guy to claim. Everyone can make of this what they will, but I think this was just a townie slip of logic. He kind of mind-fucked himself with the idea that there were two vigi's, and goofed.
-Sciberbia asks me what I think of Miltonkram on N2.
+ Show Spoiler +There is possible scum motivation here, I grant that. I see town motivation too. Look at the situation at that time. We were struggling with a situation, forcing ourselves to consider that the impossible was possible. A thought struck him that we have been auto-clearing Miltonkram because his filter looks pretty green. But, if we are forcing ourselves to consider the impossible, Milton is fair game. He had this passing thought and posted it. Is this really that unlikely for a town-person to do? I say no.
-Sciberbia, seeing my opinion, posts a case on Miltonkram.
+ Show Spoiler +Same explanation. We, at that time, were imagining what was going to happen in the game provided suki flipped town, which, at the time, seemed pretty impossible. Why is it weird that he is making a full effort at considering all possibilities? Same town motivation.
-Sciberbia tries to dissect night actions.
+ Show Spoiler +Obvious town motivation. Go look at the post game analysis of NMM XVII. Many of the experienced players posting there say it is a mistake to not devote some time to analyzing night actions. It can devolve into WIFOM if you aren't careful, but that doesn't mean the analysis isn't useful. Suki also makes an excellent point about NMM XVI. If the remaining players had analyzed night actions more, they would have seen a big red arrow pointing at Xatalos, who was the last scum. Analyzing night actions is another tool in the townie tool box. Easy town motivation here.
So to sum up, I see a single point that could look scummy, and that request for the second vigi to claim if there is one. One, single, point. Do not make the mistake of falling prey to confirmation bias. If you look at sciberbia's filter like I have, first with the idea that he is town, and next with the idea that he is scum, I guarantee you will think the first way is more logical.
Ok, done with that. Now, I had a HUGE epiphany while writing that, and I'm certain it will lead us to a D3 win. Here's a preview: it doesn't involve lynching Suki D3, it involves killing Unforgiven_ve
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Xatalos, seriously stop. How do you think people are going to react to what you said about Zelblade?
Zelblade, can you tell Xatalos to edit that last post out?
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Anyway, yea. Last scum is Unforgiven_ve
I'll start with the point that Xatalos gave away  Look at how reluctant the mods are to kill this player. No vote on D1 from Mouldy Jeb, he gets replaced. No vote on D2 from Unforgiven, he gets a warning. Is the last scum going to get mod-killed, resulting in a town win? Doubtful.
Now let's look at Mouldy Jeb
I'll start with another game he was in, where he was town. Here are some select posts.
On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra
On May 22 2012 22:22 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
early game i suspected nova because of rash decision making from his part and myself assuming the worst, matchew voting for me which wasn't given a viable explanation so i would be inclined to vote for matchew due to his random train of thought against others ## vote:mattchew
He explains his reads here, then takes a firm stance with a vote. Look at this game:
On June 13 2012 22:47 Mouldy Jeb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 16:25 Miltonkram wrote:
@alan
Just making a bit of a joke. I was referencing our last game together, NMM XV, when I voted for sciberbia in one of my very first posts on D1. You're right though, spending too much time joking around does not promote a pro-town environment. From here on out I'm 100% serious and in scumhunting mode.
##unVote: sciberbia you are suppose to be playing seriously if not then that would create the cloud of assumption that you are indeed scum random votes are related to scummy tactics so I already have my suspicions of you. also my suspicions of roflewaffles are slight but i have no further evidence that is incriminating him
On June 14 2012 00:20 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
nope roffle that was a gut feeling about you that why I stated I have no evidence
On June 14 2012 00:29 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
my personal opinion so far, would be to keep tabs on miltontkram this is due to the fact that he randomly voted ( yes yes, its all fun and games until a misslynch)
I also do agree with suki on the "sketchy" behaviour of rofl but contradicting myself I feel you have raised some good points of scummy behaviour in your long post
and crossfire seems to be lurking.
His reasoning is pretty weak in both games, but it's far weaker in this game. The baseless suspicion of roflewaffles is very, very telling. Looks like newb scum trying to appear like he is pressuring his teammate. The most important thing, however, is no votes. It doesn't match, and it's scummy.
Now, move to Unforgiven. He has been useless this game, except for a weak bus on roflwaffles, which gives him just a smidge of town credit. Maybe enough to keep him off the radar while he lurks with purpose.
On June 16 2012 03:09 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
In case i die, my 2 "best" reads (so far) are austincc and roflwaffles55.
They were trying to push a lynch on Crossfire, seeing as this wasnt working they decided a Bus from roflwaffles55 and austin will kept his target "just in case".
We still have 6 more hours till night ends right?
Look at how he dances around austin:
On June 16 2012 06:04 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
ebwop: i want to point out im not making a conclusive acussation on austin, i just want you guys to analize a little how he is playing.
This is just after he said his two main suspects were roflewaffles and austin.
Now let's look at other games. NMM XV comes to mind. His filter is big, so I'll just highlight a few points.
On June 02 2012 05:27 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
im not a fan of this, but im gonna do it...
TOWN please, VOTE FOR SUKI, im pretty sure he is mafia!! I bet he is confortably sitting waiting for Ange777 to get lynched or a No Lynch at best.
Xatalos, if you arent mafia, please do this, a vigi can check me at night (if mafia dont kill me before)
On June 05 2012 06:45 Unforgiven_ve wrote:It's too late for me to try and convince you guys to change your votes, i think vivax will flip town, his last post voting for himself doesnt help tho. Guys, because i think im right about heist, maybe i will die this night, the only thing in my favor is being a terrible poster (they killed s0Lstice for being good=, maybe they want me to be alive to get more people confused. You are understimating the proof against heist, i still think there's a ver high change that heist and xatalos are mafia, i see they are playing a pretty standard "active" mafia, dodging attacks and siding whit the mayority (not before making his "preference" obvious to the town) triying to gaing some town credit. Right now i would kill heist, the way he started to play the game and how he acted around the suki lynch are my main motivation. This posts Show nested quote +If it's blatantly rediculous, DO NOT DO IT. You are almost confident suki is town, why are you placing your vote on him??? We still have a bit of time, closer to an hour. Now it just looks like you are bussing. and Show nested quote +I changed bacause I was not very condifent in either a Suki or Ange77 lynch and my Superouman lynch was useless. You agree that Unforgiven seems more scummy. I don't like how you are giving up to commit to a worse read. screams mafia for me.
On June 06 2012 07:51 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
##Vote heist, im not gonna spend more time explaining something so obvious
Again, just like MJ, the tone does not match. He is sure-footed and comes down hard on his reads. Here, not so much.
I feel like this post is getting pretty big, so I won't pull quotes from NMM XIII, but go have a look. He was scum in that game, and he lurked with purpose. He bussed teammates as well. It looks A LOT like what's happening in this game.
That leads me to my next point. This game, right now, feels a lot like XIII. The scum lurked, and town tore itself to pieces, destroying the people with content (who were all town) one by one. It's been a seemingly insurmountable task to find the last scum in this game, and we've already started the process of slowly cannibalizing ourselves. It seems insurmountable because we (I) cleared the last scum based on bussing arguments.
A wise man (thanks Marv!) told me in coaching PM's that bussing is only illogical for scum if it causes a scumbuddy to be lynched. When HeavOnEarth and roflewaffles bussed MJ, was there seriously any chance that he was getting lynched that day? No. Emphatically no. Them bussing him was not illogical, it was smart. Look at the confusion it caused. I bet Greymist has been in that scum QT insisting that they not be afraid to call each other out, and he was right of course.
I'll even add NK analysis for the cherry on top. Why are our strong town reads still alive? Because we have been completely, utterly, wrong since Day 2 began. Unforgiven was free to blue snipe as he pleased (austin could look blue, no? he is cautious like a blue), because the big talkers were all wrong. Also, remember how the night action was so late? It's because Unforgiven has been busy, like he said.
It all makes sense! FINALLY!!!!! Please let's kill Unforgiven_ve on day 3 and be done with this game. I want to feel the sweet taste of victory.
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One more thing.
[QUOTE]On June 14 2012 09:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
was sort of waiting for MJ to post something after he was like hurr durr ima post soon. i took a look at his previous game though and his posts seem consistent from when he was townie. hes really not helping at all, and definitely still looks scum, but it feels like poor town play rather than mafia.
Tell me this doesn't sound like newb scum talking about a teammate.
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Sciberbia, before you go, can you tell me what you think about my case on Unforgiven?
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Ah one day Milton, I hope you will make peace with meta arguments ;D
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ouch a machete, that's messy
gg guys
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