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s0Lstice
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s0Lstice
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A fair number of people have accused her, and killing one of them wouldn't make her look any better. | ||
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s0Lstice
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If vigi claims... scum viewpoint: a person I already know is town is now confirmed town. if there weren't any other strong town reads, then the claimed vigi instantly becomes an attractive NK target. the thing is...we have a group of strong town reads, so it makes little difference to scum that there is one more. there are already more good targets than they have KP. town viewpoint: a person who I could not 100% confirm as town, is now confirmed town. I can eliminate the possibility that this person is scum. This leaves fewer candidates for potential scum, thus making it easier to find them. I really don't see how you think scum benefits from the vigi claim. The only real debate is when to claim. As we can win the game on day 2 with a correct lynch, I say now is fine. Sciberbia says later in the event that we misslynch today. The claim becomes more powerful with fewer people, though by that point the person may be reading strong town anyway. | ||
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s0Lstice
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Alright, check this out. I have a plan We are in pretty good shape with only 1 scum left. Let's assume for a moment that from here on out we only miss-lynch. How many would it take before we lose? Right now: 8 town, 1 scum After Day 2 lynch: 7 town, 1 scum After Night 2 kill: 6 town, 1 scum After Day 3 lynch: 5 town, 1 scum After Night 3 kill: 4 town, 1 scum After Day 4 lynch: 3 town, 1 scum After Night 4 kill: 2 town, 1 scum After Day 5 lynch: 1 town, 1 scum (scum victory) By my count, that gives us 3 miss-lynches to play with out of the 4 lynches remaining., assuming we don't get any medic protects. All we have to do is make a list to lynch down. Take the four most likely candidates and lynch them one-by-one. Here is my proposed list: 1. suki 2. O.Golden_ne 3. Unforgiven_ve 4. trackd00r In my estimation, there is only one other candidate that might go on this list, and that's Crossfire99. I don't put Crossfire99 on this list because he was the first to go after roflewaffles55 following HeavOnEarth's flip. I find it very unlikely that scum would do this. Does anybody see any chance that the remaining scum isn't on that list? We have enough lynches to kill them all, and therefore I think this plan pretty much guarantees victory for town. Everyone please tell me what you think. | ||
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s0Lstice
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I don't want this to devolve into an argument over the order. So its that order or abandon the plan. If you are on the list and are town, remember you win with town whether you are alive or dead. This should not factor into your decision. Ask yourself if you agree the last scum is in that group. If you think they are, support the plan. Post that you are in. If you don't think last scum is on that list, do not support the plan. We will expect an explanation why you don't think the last scum is on the list. | ||
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s0Lstice
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You did read it right? If I'm at the top, someone gets knocked off the bottom of the list, who according to our general consensus could be scum. I want to get inside your head and see how you could possibly suspect me at this point. I've been playing as green as a grass stain. I don't give a shit if I die, provided the new list is 1. me 2. suki 3. golden 4. unforgiven. If this is what it takes, then I'm all for it. I'd hope that you would at least have the courtesy to feel bad after I flip green though  | ||
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s0Lstice
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The one condition on this plan is that the list is non-negotiable, barring one thing. Alan is confirmed town. I'm not really sure where his head is at right now, but his support matters. There are 3 choices here, in light of Alan's post. List 1: suki, golden, unforgiven, trackd00r List 2: me, suki, golden, unforgiven ...or scrap the plan I don't care if I die if it means the plan is followed. I think it's likely also that mods will speed up days if a majority asks for it. Whatever the DT decides to do (if there is one) can be factored in when it happens, either by removing a person from the list, or bumping someone up. All I'm looking for is what choice you want, and that goes for everyone. The sooner we choose the better. | ||
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s0Lstice
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Your question presumes that the scum lies outside of the 4 on my list. Look at who we have left right now: s0Lstice Miltonkram sciberbia alan133 crossfire99 suki Golden Unforgiven trackd00r The top 4 on that list. What read do you have on them? Concerning crossfire99, I think it's extremely likely that he is town based on the fact that he was the first to go after roflewaffles55 after heavonearth flipped. Ask yourself if scum would do this. That leaves 4 players, for 4 lynches. The order really doesn't matter. I put suki at the top because I am pretty much convinced she is the last scum. I said the list was non-negotiable because I didn't want it to turn into a side show of who gets lynched when. @sciberbia, there will not be another vig claim. no scum in their right minds would claim that shot, and no townie who isn't a complete idiot would claim it if they didn't do it. if scum claim the shot it's an auto lose, because we'd lynch both people. I'm not suspicious of Unforgiven, because I'm fairly certain Suki is scum. I included him in the list because the filter size is small, and there is a chance (albiet small) that he is scum due to the lurkyness. Also, I play this game to win. I don't particularly care about being lazy. I proposed the plan because it will lead to a town win. That said, I really needed your support on it. I'm going to give it a little more time to hear from others, but if you continue to not be on board my suggestion will be to scrap the plan. From that point on, the only discussion on it should be if someone wants to use it in a case against me. | ||
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s0Lstice
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I've answered your questions already, first of all. I said your support is important. I said sciberbia's support was important. I said if both of your stances do not change in the near future, I would want to scrap the plan. I said the list was fixed because if you open it up for discussion, guess what happens? We argue about the order. This is a good thing for scum. Right now we are arguing as well, and that's a bad thing. I knew it would be apparent pretty quickly if this plan was going to work or not. It's clear I'm not getting the support from the people I needed support from to make the plan work, so I say enough. The plan is over and gone, there is zero reason to talk about it after this post unless it is involved in a case against me. I have a few more comments on it, but I'll spoiler them ;D + Show Spoiler + I'm disappointed, simply put. Imagine how telling it would have been to see the reactions of the people on that list, if we had a majority supporting the idea. If I was scum in that position I'd be thinking about conceding. Continue with your regularly scheduled programming. Like sciberbia said, that list still has uses. Everyone should make a similar list and narrow down the choices. I'm still strongly of the opinion that suki is scum number 3. Please read my case + her defense, and have a look at her filter too of course. | ||
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s0Lstice
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alan133, You are right about the crap I was telling you to do with your shot. I didn't think that through enough before posting. For what it's worth, this is only the second time I've been alive on day 2. I've had precious little experience with the ramifications of night actions. In two games I've helped lynch the medic xD So I get a 'needs improvement' on the blue stuff. The plan, however, was logically sound. After the game I hope you'll look back at it and see how it would have worked. Regarding suki, my case on her is not hard to find. It's in my filter. I've read her defense, and it didn't change my mind. I'm not going to continue to argue with her as I'm not going to convince her she is scum. My goal, logically, is to convince everybody else. I will work on a response to your defense of her. | ||
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s0Lstice
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On June 15 2012 02:58 trackd00r wrote: Ok back to the game. At this stage of the day, the 3 most suspicious players that I have in my list are Suki and Crossfire99 andO.Golden_ne. I'd like to push a lynch to any of them. I'll post analysis in a moment. I'm pretty sure she has asked you this already also. I don't see a response in your filter. | ||
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s0Lstice
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I'm going through the filters of the 4 folks on my list in depth (again). Suki's latest post reads pretty sincere, and I want to put it in context with the rest of her filter. I'll also re-read the active cases. I went a little heavy on the sauce tonight but I'll get it done! | ||
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s0Lstice
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you didn't think it was important to do an EBWOP about that? | ||
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s0Lstice
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s0Lstice
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I've decided I'm not waiting for your response, because I think you just scum-slipped hardcore. I like lynching liars, and I believe you are lying. For reason, see below: On June 17 2012 12:42 s0Lstice wrote: Actually while I'm reading, how about you tell me how you took the time to bold her name and still didn't realize your 'oops.' Suki, I think I screwed up bad in my read on you. You've taken the punches like a champ, kept your cool, and really gave this game your all. Like sciberbia I feel pretty awful about the situation, provided you are town. + Show Spoiler + If trackd00r flips town though you'll be hearing from me again  ##Vote: trackd00r | ||
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s0Lstice
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Guilt does not factor in at all. What you say about suki's recent posts, where she has full knowledge that she is next should trackd00r flip town, is very telling. I see it as highly unlikely that scum suki would be behaving in this manner. | ||
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s0Lstice
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s0Lstice
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that's really frustrating | ||
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